FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 11, 2023, 15:43:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 18:55:

FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:59:
Do you even know what Tonto means?

Seems to me that you're the one not getting the reference.

You are one step closer... keep thinking about it... yes, it references something. Do you think that a Native American depiction of a character given the name "Tonto" is a positive depiction or a negative depiction? When someone uses that reference... what does that say about the person who uses that reference?

Did I spell out enough of it or should I continue?

So enlighten me, did I really not get the reference, or did you not understand the deeper implications of using the reference because of your ignorance of the meaning of the word "Tonto"?

You should stop doing so much assuming.

Orogogus wrote on Mar 10, 2023, 12:18:

Verno wrote on Mar 10, 2023, 09:56:
More options is never a bad thing.

It can depend, I think. People seemed happier with video streaming back when Netflix was the only real game in town. Speaking of whom, as far as I know the only way to play Into the Breach on mobile is to have a Netflix subscription, which is kind of horseshit. There are subscription services on PC, from Microsoft and EA, but neither of them have moved to make anything subscription-exclusive (yet). Stadia did have some, I think, and probably not many people were rooting for that.

But we don't have more streaming options, we have more streaming necessities. They're compliments, not replacements, in that they carry different offerings. Steam and EGS mostly carry the same selection, so they're direct competition

SoloKingMonkey wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 20:01:

FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:59:

Xero wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:18:

FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:04:

Xero wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 13:50:
The only positive I read about Epic is how much revenue they give the developers/publishers. That said, their business practices are hella annoying. Can't stand their EGS exclusive crap. They're trying to pretend that they're the good guys by forcing people to HAVE to buy through them, unless you wait X amount of time for the exclusiveness to drop.

I can't recall how many times I forgot games existence until they finally re-released on Steam. Just because you literally never hear much about the game following its release, and I never have gone onto EGS to see what they're offering.

I forget the last game this happened with, but I also recall when it happened to that Predator game. When it dropped, it was like a holy crap moment where I completely forgot about its existence and was initially hyped about it prior to release.

Don't you hate it when exclusives are locked behind a $660 console purchase! So annoying!

Oh wait... that is Sony. How much does it cost to install Epic's store front? What was that, the SAME price as it costs to install Steam?!

Well, we can at least hate on Epic for banning any games that sell for less in other stores. Oh wait... that isn't Epic's store, that is Steam's store?!

Tell me again why you hate Epic so much? Is it something that Epic did, or are you just so biased that you choose to only purchase from Steam? If you do only purchase from Steam, do you consider yourself a fan boy? If you do consider yourself a fanboy, would it be fair to say that you simp for Steam? And in that case, would you consider yourself a Steam Simp? If not, what would you call someone who goes to a thread about a store that is NOT Steam, and then talks crap about that store and talks about Steam instead?

Slow down there Tonto. I did give EGS some cred. I'm not a console gamer so whatever they do exclusive is irrelevant to me. I feel the exclusivity more so as a PC gamer because as you said, I can install EGS as equally as I could Steam.

I'm not sure if calling me a "simp" makes any sense here, or at least it has zero cred to bother me. Yes, I have probably over 600 games in my Steam library, so I prefer to keep it all together on 1 application if possible. I guess my overall complaint is, let the games come out on either immediately and don't hold it hostage. I don't care if YOU want to buy it on EGS, but I just prefer it on Steam since that is where my library is at.

Do you even know what Tonto means? If you don't, then it might be you who is actually tonto.

Do you feel your bias towards Steam makes you better off or worse off? Why do you fanboy for a store front that has anti-competitive practices such as banning games that are sold at a lower price on other store fronts?

Calm down, you're getting your internet spittle everywhere.

Project much? LOL

Please, go on, this should be good.

Sepharo wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 18:55:

FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:59:
Do you even know what Tonto means?

Seems to me that you're the one not getting the reference.

You are one step closer... keep thinking about it... yes, it references something. Do you think that a Native American depiction of a character given the name "Tonto" is a positive depiction or a negative depiction? When someone uses that reference... what does that say about the person who uses that reference?

Did I spell out enough of it or should I continue?

So enlighten me, did I really not get the reference, or did you not understand the deeper implications of using the reference because of your ignorance of the meaning of the word "Tonto"?

yonder wrote on Mar 10, 2023, 05:42:

FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:04:

Xero wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 13:50:
The only positive I read about Epic is how much revenue they give the developers/publishers. That said, their business practices are hella annoying. Can't stand their EGS exclusive crap. They're trying to pretend that they're the good guys by forcing people to HAVE to buy through them, unless you wait X amount of time for the exclusiveness to drop.

I can't recall how many times I forgot games existence until they finally re-released on Steam. Just because you literally never hear much about the game following its release, and I never have gone onto EGS to see what they're offering.

I forget the last game this happened with, but I also recall when it happened to that Predator game. When it dropped, it was like a holy crap moment where I completely forgot about its existence and was initially hyped about it prior to release.

Don't you hate it when exclusives are locked behind a $660 console purchase! So annoying!

Oh wait... that is Sony. How much does it cost to install Epic's store front? What was that, the SAME price as it costs to install Steam?!

Well, we can at least hate on Epic for banning any games that sell for less in other stores. Oh wait... that isn't Epic's store, that is Steam's store?!

Tell me again why you hate Epic so much? Is it something that Epic did, or are you just so biased that you choose to only purchase from Steam? If you do only purchase from Steam, do you consider yourself a fan boy? If you do consider yourself a fanboy, would it be fair to say that you simp for Steam? And in that case, would you consider yourself a Steam Simp? If not, what would you call someone who goes to a thread about a store that is NOT Steam, and then talks crap about that store and talks about Steam instead?

Troll much? Just because Sony does something doesn't mean it's okay for Epic to do the exact same thing.
Sincere question, have you EVER had an adult conversation with people who think differently than you? Or are they all filled with strawman and whataboutisms and name-calling like this?

It isn't the exact same thing, that was precisely my point that went flying waaaaaaay over your head. Don't make me spell it out for you. I am already suffering from secondhand embarrassment after reading your post.

Sincere response, yes. Though on these forums the usual responses I get from people ARE filled with strawman and whataboutisms and name calling. I make it a point to not resort to those.

Verno wrote on Mar 10, 2023, 09:56:
More options is never a bad thing.

It can depend, I think. People seemed happier with video streaming back when Netflix was the only real game in town. Speaking of whom, as far as I know the only way to play Into the Breach on mobile is to have a Netflix subscription, which is kind of horseshit. There are subscription services on PC, from Microsoft and EA, but neither of them have moved to make anything subscription-exclusive (yet). Stadia did have some, I think, and probably not many people were rooting for that.

I appreciate having someone keep Steam honest, though Epic is by no means an ethical corp and has engaged in a lot of shady stuff over the years too. In practice though I never seem to use it, Steam provides tremendous value and has a wealth of features that Epic lacks. None of my friends seem to use it for MP games either which would be the one thing that would make use it on a regular basis. I don't even have it installed anymore, I re-installed last month and forgot about it then found I didn't miss it, same with Origin/EA. I add free games from the web but that's about it. Nothing against them but it's just sort of there, like GOG. I feel like this is the normal experience for many PC gamers considering how much of their store revenue is derived solely from Fortnite and related purchases.

Maybe one day they will get some killer app like Half-Life that will force me to be interested or get feature parity with Steam. Maybe if Steam ever turns evil after Gabe kicks it one day it will matter more but right now Steam is super progressive, heck look at them dragging the Linux gaming market along with the Deck. Anyways glad Epic is around though! More options is never a bad thing.

Is Epic as good as Steam? Obviously not.
Does it have feature parity? Nowhere near. It's also a fraction the age.
Is it anyone's choice to use? Not really.
is anyone forced to use it? Not really. Yes, there are exclusives, but they're timed. Plus, if the argument is "no one uses EGS," then no one is playing those exclusives until they're on Steam, so it's just like a delayed release.
Would it be nice to have competition instead of a de facto monopoly? Of course. Steam is great today. What if Gabe gets hit by a meteor tomorrow and Steam sells to Activision or EA? I prefer all my eggs in multiple baskets. We see what having too few competitors is doing in virtually every other industry.

asmodeos wrote on Mar 10, 2023, 07:34:
The Epic game store is inferior to steam. It doesn't use steam link for play on my living room TV. It isn't on my Steam Deck. I trust steam reviews. Steam has always and I hope continues to, be an advocate for customers.

In other words, EGS isnt Steam. You can hardly blame it, because Steam is Steam. And apparantly other things that are not Steam cannot actually be Steam, otherwise those other things would actually be Steam, and therefore they would not be other things than Steam.

The Epic game store is inferior to steam. It doesn't use steam link for play on my living room TV. It isn't on my Steam Deck. I trust steam reviews. Steam has always and I hope continues to, be an advocate for customers.

FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:04:

Xero wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 13:50:
The only positive I read about Epic is how much revenue they give the developers/publishers. That said, their business practices are hella annoying. Can't stand their EGS exclusive crap. They're trying to pretend that they're the good guys by forcing people to HAVE to buy through them, unless you wait X amount of time for the exclusiveness to drop.

I can't recall how many times I forgot games existence until they finally re-released on Steam. Just because you literally never hear much about the game following its release, and I never have gone onto EGS to see what they're offering.

I forget the last game this happened with, but I also recall when it happened to that Predator game. When it dropped, it was like a holy crap moment where I completely forgot about its existence and was initially hyped about it prior to release.

Don't you hate it when exclusives are locked behind a $660 console purchase! So annoying!

Oh wait... that is Sony. How much does it cost to install Epic's store front? What was that, the SAME price as it costs to install Steam?!

Well, we can at least hate on Epic for banning any games that sell for less in other stores. Oh wait... that isn't Epic's store, that is Steam's store?!

Tell me again why you hate Epic so much? Is it something that Epic did, or are you just so biased that you choose to only purchase from Steam? If you do only purchase from Steam, do you consider yourself a fan boy? If you do consider yourself a fanboy, would it be fair to say that you simp for Steam? And in that case, would you consider yourself a Steam Simp? If not, what would you call someone who goes to a thread about a store that is NOT Steam, and then talks crap about that store and talks about Steam instead?

Troll much? Just because Sony does something doesn't mean it's okay for Epic to do the exact same thing.
Sincere question, have you EVER had an adult conversation with people who think differently than you? Or are they all filled with strawman and whataboutisms and name-calling like this?

RogueSix wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 18:11:

Agent.X7 wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 18:04:
Still no:
Achievements
Phone authenticator
Any real reason to get stuff here rather than steam.

What?

Epic has had 2FA since the beginning (or almost). I've had my EGS account in my 'Authy' app on my iPhone for years.

And they have had achievements for almost a year now. If you would have read the self-publishing article, you would even know that they have made it obligatory that a game must include EGS achievements if it also has achievements on another platform.

Edit: Yeah, just checked my old e-mails. I enabled 2FA on my EGS account in December 2018.

But no Epic authenticator? No EGS app for phones?
Sorry, didn't see achievements anywhere when I opened the app today for the first time since...Outer Worlds came out?
Store still sucks. Game library? Sucks.

FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:59:

Xero wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:18:

FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:04:

Xero wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 13:50:
The only positive I read about Epic is how much revenue they give the developers/publishers. That said, their business practices are hella annoying. Can't stand their EGS exclusive crap. They're trying to pretend that they're the good guys by forcing people to HAVE to buy through them, unless you wait X amount of time for the exclusiveness to drop.

I can't recall how many times I forgot games existence until they finally re-released on Steam. Just because you literally never hear much about the game following its release, and I never have gone onto EGS to see what they're offering.

I forget the last game this happened with, but I also recall when it happened to that Predator game. When it dropped, it was like a holy crap moment where I completely forgot about its existence and was initially hyped about it prior to release.

Don't you hate it when exclusives are locked behind a $660 console purchase! So annoying!

Oh wait... that is Sony. How much does it cost to install Epic's store front? What was that, the SAME price as it costs to install Steam?!

Well, we can at least hate on Epic for banning any games that sell for less in other stores. Oh wait... that isn't Epic's store, that is Steam's store?!

Tell me again why you hate Epic so much? Is it something that Epic did, or are you just so biased that you choose to only purchase from Steam? If you do only purchase from Steam, do you consider yourself a fan boy? If you do consider yourself a fanboy, would it be fair to say that you simp for Steam? And in that case, would you consider yourself a Steam Simp? If not, what would you call someone who goes to a thread about a store that is NOT Steam, and then talks crap about that store and talks about Steam instead?

Slow down there Tonto. I did give EGS some cred. I'm not a console gamer so whatever they do exclusive is irrelevant to me. I feel the exclusivity more so as a PC gamer because as you said, I can install EGS as equally as I could Steam.

I'm not sure if calling me a "simp" makes any sense here, or at least it has zero cred to bother me. Yes, I have probably over 600 games in my Steam library, so I prefer to keep it all together on 1 application if possible. I guess my overall complaint is, let the games come out on either immediately and don't hold it hostage. I don't care if YOU want to buy it on EGS, but I just prefer it on Steam since that is where my library is at.

Do you even know what Tonto means? If you don't, then it might be you who is actually tonto.

Do you feel your bias towards Steam makes you better off or worse off? Why do you fanboy for a store front that has anti-competitive practices such as banning games that are sold at a lower price on other store fronts?

Calm down, you're getting your internet spittle everywhere.

HoSpanky wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 16:59:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 16:31:
With Lutris a thing, why do we give a fuck where you buy something? It's all literally right there in one app regardless of what store you purchase from.

The only thing that keeps me from buying on most other platforms is reinstallation ease. Steam and Battle.net will let you point them at a folder and basically say "I already have all this, please just tag it as installed" and it will. EGS cannot. You may have 300gb of games that were installed, but if you have to redo your OS, you can't point to the folder and say "there it is". you have to either one at a time go through a stupid process for each game, or re-download them again. I'm on some slow-ass internet, I don't want to do that.

Agreed, Epic is janky af.

Can the Epic Games Launcher detect previously in*stalled games?
If you previously installed a game on your computer and removed the Epic Games Launcher or reinstalled Windows, there is no feature in the Epic Games Launcher that will detect the game files. However, there is a workaround that may detect previously downloaded games:

Open the Epic Games Launcher.
Go to your Library.
Begin downloading the game you already have on your hard drive.
After a few seconds of it downloading, pause the download.
Exit the Epic Games Launcher by right-clicking the tray icon in the bottom right corner, and then click Exit.
Copy the existing game files to the directory you began your download to (Default: C:\Program Files\[gamename]\)
Note: In your previously installed game make sure you delete the .egstore folder if it exists before copying the files to the new download directory.
Start the Epic Games Launcher.
Launch your game.
Note: You may have a small download happen but your game should launch without having to download all the game files.

Note: This process is a workaround and may not work for all games.

How to move an installed game from the Epic Games Launcher to another directory on your computer
If you have a game installed on your computer from the Epic Games Launcher you can move it to another location using these steps:

Make a backup copy the game you want to move on your computer.
Navigate to the game installation directory. (Default: C:\Program Files\Epic Games\[Game Name])
Copy this game folder to another location on your computer.
Open the Epic Games Launcher.
Click on Library.
Locate the game you want to move. Click on the three dots next to it and click on Uninstall.
Once the game is uninstalled, click on the game in your Library to start installing it and select the new installation location you would like it to be in.
Once the download begins, after 2-3% is downloaded click on the three dots next to the game name and click on Cancel Install.
Navigate to the new installation directory you selected for the game and copy the backed up game folder to this location. If you receive a warning to replace any duplicate files click on Replace to do so.
Resume the installation process.
Once the files are verified, you should be able to launch the game.

FloodAnxiety wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 15:59:
Do you even know what Tonto means?

Seems to me that you're the one not getting the reference.

HoSpanky wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 16:59:
The only thing that keeps me from buying on most other platforms is reinstallation ease. Steam and Battle.net will let you point them at a folder and basically say "I already have all this, please just tag it as installed" and it will. EGS cannot. You may have 300gb of games that were installed, but if you have to redo your OS, you can't point to the folder and say "there it is". you have to either one at a time go through a stupid process for each game, or re-download them again. I'm on some slow-ass internet, I don't want to do that.

Uh, yes...you can. Epic calls it the "Vault Cache" and there is a setting in the Epic Games Launcher where you can specify where that is. Once specified, all those games are visible in your vault again...takes literally 2 seconds to do it.

Agent.X7 wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 18:04:
Still no:
Achievements
Phone authenticator
Any real reason to get stuff here rather than steam.

What?

Epic has had 2FA since the beginning (or almost). I've had my EGS account in my 'Authy' app on my iPhone for years.

And they have had achievements for almost a year now. If you would have read the self-publishing article, you would even know that they have made it obligatory that a game must include EGS achievements if it also has achievements on another platform.

Edit: Yeah, just checked my old e-mails. I enabled 2FA on my EGS account in December 2018.

Still no:
Achievements
Phone authenticator
Any real reason to get stuff here rather than steam.

HoSpanky wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 16:59:
...but if you have to redo your OS, you can't point to the folder and say "there it is".

I can. If blow away my entire OS (which is exceptionally rare for me these days), nothing in /home is touched because it is independent of the OS itself. Hell, my /home directory doesn't even exist on the same system I am typing this from. It exists on a file server above the PC that serves as my "desktop". If I wanted it all local, I could have one NVMe drive for the system and another for /home. The entire OS could eat itself for breakfast and my personal data would be safe.

Having user data intermingled with system data is an incredibly stupid design.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Mar 9, 2023, 16:31:
With Lutris a thing, why do we give a fuck where you buy something? It's all literally right there in one app regardless of what store you purchase from.

The only thing that keeps me from buying on most other platforms is reinstallation ease. Steam and Battle.net will let you point them at a folder and basically say "I already have all this, please just tag it as installed" and it will. EGS cannot. You may have 300gb of games that were installed, but if you have to redo your OS, you can't point to the folder and say "there it is". you have to either one at a time go through a stupid process for each game, or re-download them again. I'm on some slow-ass internet, I don't want to do that.