On Hogwarts Legacy's Early Success

CNN Business reports on the strong early success of Hogwarts Legacy despite the facts that the game has been embroiled in controversy and its official launch won't arrive for another couple of hours. But the Early Access release for Digital Deluxe Edition customers began on Tuesday, and reportedly "already broke a record on Twitch for being the most-watched single-player game." The article also has a summary of the background controversy, and efforts by the creators of the game at distancing it from J.K. Rowling's rhetoric:
Part of the game’s expectation is based on controversy surrounding Harry Potter’s creator — J.K. Rowling. The author has repeatedly made anti-trans comments, and some of the movies’ actors have spoken out against them. Some gamers also are boycotting Hogwarts Legacy over the controversy.

“It’s not a commercial risk so much as is a cultural one,” van Dreunen said of the game’s release.

The game features a trans character, a first for the franchise. Though the Hogwarts Legacy character Sirona Ryan does not explicitly say she is trans, dialogue in a scene suggests it: “[It] took them a second to realize I was actually a witch, not a wizard,” the character said.

Warner Bros. Discovery said creating diverse characters was a high priority in order to encompass all people who play the games including the LGBTQIA+ community.

The company says J.K. Rowling is not involved in the Hogwarts Legacy game. But she does stand to make licensing royalties. Some fans have been turned off to the franchise because of Rowling’s comments, others say they won’t let that get in the way of experiencing a new world of Harry Potter.
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FloodAnxiety wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 13:21:
The Half Elf wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 12:19:
Darks wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:01:
All this hate towards her is doing nothing but driving up the interest and sales of the game. I was in a Twitch steam yesterday for giveaways cosmetics, and there were over 52000 people watching that stream. And that was just one stream!

I know a lot of people who are purposely buying the game just to spite those who are against it, and not one of them has regretted their purchase because the game is that good and fun.

Steam has reported the game had over 489.000 people playing the game, and that is just the Early access people, image how many more will be online today when it goes live.

People are buying the game "just out of spite"? Really?

Maybe there are just people who can actually compartmentalize their enjoyment of the game/franchise vs what the creator of it says? I mean it's a much simpler reason. Not everyone has to have an agenda.
You say that like being able to compartmentalize is a good thing that should be encouraged.

It is certainly possible for individuals to separate their enjoyment of a game or franchise from the opinions or actions of its creator. However, this choice can be seen as selfish and hypocritical because it prioritizes one's own desire for temporary enjoyment over the impact that their actions have on supporting something that may go against their personal beliefs and values. By choosing to play the game and provide financial support, despite knowing about the creator's opinions or actions, it can be seen as disregarding important values and perpetuating harmful behavior. This is similar to the phrase "stick your head in the sand," as it allows one to avoid facing the consequences of their actions and ignore the impact that they have on the world around them. Ultimately, it is up to each person to determine their own stance and make choices that align with their personal beliefs and values, considering the wider impact that their actions may have.

Well then gamers are the very worst kind of scum aren't we? How many are still religiously playing WoW after knowing the things that went on at Blizzard? How many are going to pre-order and buy Diablo 4 day 1 despite Blizzard having a designated Cosby suite at their retreat?

There are so many of these companies that do/have done extremely disturbing and sleazy shit. Riot games? Ubisoft? How many of their games do you own or are planning to purchase in the near future (well maybe not Ubisoft with their current track record)?

JK Rowling is a nitwit and offensive. Fact. But are all of you really going to not just buy a Harry Potter game while enjoying the plethora of game offerings from so many publishers and studios out there who are all disgusting and depraved? That I would like to know.

I have seen this type of "outrage" so many times in games over the years and it all comes down to the fact that the majority of you will squint your eyes and order anything if you like the content enough. That's it. Trans struggle be damned.
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RedEye9 wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 12:54:
jdreyer wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 12:53:
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It's obviously a ginormous statistical and valid sample. Well worth your time. :-facepalm-:
It is! I doubt they exist so I'm calling him out.
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Feb 10, 2023, 13:47
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Verno wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 13:34:
Bodolza wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 13:29:
Y'all need to settle down. It's literally impossible to know how sales were affected by the controversy. That would require some sort of a-b testing, which has not, can not, and will not ever happen.

No no, this is much better than the alternative we saw in the other threads. By all means, argue about anecdotes in circles

Well I know at least 11 people that won circular arguments before.
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Feb 10, 2023, 13:38
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Why would you want to associate yourself with someone that bought a $70 game they were otherwise uninterested in because the person that makes $1 per sale or less said something that could rightfully or wrongfully demean and belittle other people?

Especially when you're someone that keeps complaining about politics in video games, why befriend people that spend their money deliberately to keep politics fueling video games?

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Feb 10, 2023, 13:34
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Feb 10, 2023, 13:34
 
Bodolza wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 13:29:
Y'all need to settle down. It's literally impossible to know how sales were affected by the controversy. That would require some sort of a-b testing, which has not, can not, and will not ever happen.

No no, this is much better than the alternative we saw in the other threads. By all means, argue about anecdotes in circles
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Y'all need to settle down. It's literally impossible to know how sales were affected by the controversy. That would require some sort of a-b testing, which has not, can not, and will not ever happen.
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The Half Elf wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 12:19:
Darks wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:01:
All this hate towards her is doing nothing but driving up the interest and sales of the game. I was in a Twitch steam yesterday for giveaways cosmetics, and there were over 52000 people watching that stream. And that was just one stream!

I know a lot of people who are purposely buying the game just to spite those who are against it, and not one of them has regretted their purchase because the game is that good and fun.

Steam has reported the game had over 489.000 people playing the game, and that is just the Early access people, image how many more will be online today when it goes live.

People are buying the game "just out of spite"? Really?

Maybe there are just people who can actually compartmentalize their enjoyment of the game/franchise vs what the creator of it says? I mean it's a much simpler reason. Not everyone has to have an agenda.
You say that like being able to compartmentalize is a good thing that should be encouraged.

It is certainly possible for individuals to separate their enjoyment of a game or franchise from the opinions or actions of its creator. However, this choice can be seen as selfish and hypocritical because it prioritizes one's own desire for temporary enjoyment over the impact that their actions have on supporting something that may go against their personal beliefs and values. By choosing to play the game and provide financial support, despite knowing about the creator's opinions or actions, it can be seen as disregarding important values and perpetuating harmful behavior. This is similar to the phrase "stick your head in the sand," as it allows one to avoid facing the consequences of their actions and ignore the impact that they have on the world around them. Ultimately, it is up to each person to determine their own stance and make choices that align with their personal beliefs and values, considering the wider impact that their actions may have.
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Burrito of Peace wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:12:
I'll stock up on extinguishers for the inevitable dumpster fire.
So far it only rates 🧯🧯🧯on a scale of 5 extinguishers. But there's still hope as we haven't heard of all of the usual suspects.
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jdreyer wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 12:53:
Laughing Man wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 12:01:
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:35:
Someone in my bubble... .When the statistical data point of one becomes many. sigh
It took me less than 5 minutes to find over 20 comments like he was saying existed on steam. But definitely his bubble, amirite?
I'd be interested in reading those. Could you link to them?
It's obviously a ginormous statistical and valid sample. Well worth your time. :-facepalm-:
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Laughing Man wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 12:01:
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:35:
Someone in my bubble... .When the statistical data point of one becomes many. sigh
It took me less than 5 minutes to find over 20 comments like he was saying existed on steam. But definitely his bubble, amirite?
I'd be interested in reading those. Could you link to them all?
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Darks wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:23:
Beamer wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:14:
The controversy isn't driving sales. This is Harry Potter. It has one of the most attended theme parks in America. It's sold billions of books.

That you're saying the first decent entry in the most popular media for one of the top 10 IPs in the world is successful because of controversy around the author, I'd question your analysis.

Then again, the same people saying the controversy is making it successful are the ones who also say most people don't care or don't know about the controversy, which feels like mutually exclusive statements

Well, you would be wrong, I happen to know a lot of people we went out of their way just because of all the controversy surrounding this game and bought copies. I've also read on Steam similar comments. Maybe you need to do some more research Beamer!

I honestly don't know why you think this is not happening when it is!

Is this a parody post?
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Beamer wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:14:
The controversy isn't driving sales. This is Harry Potter. It has one of the most attended theme parks in America. It's sold billions of books.

That you're saying the first decent entry in the most popular media for one of the top 10 IPs in the world is successful because of controversy around the author, I'd question your analysis.

Woah there buddy. How could you forget about Lego Harry Potter??
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Darks wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:01:
All this hate towards her is doing nothing but driving up the interest and sales of the game. I was in a Twitch steam yesterday for giveaways cosmetics, and there were over 52000 people watching that stream. And that was just one stream!

I know a lot of people who are purposely buying the game just to spite those who are against it, and not one of them has regretted their purchase because the game is that good and fun.

Steam has reported the game had over 489.000 people playing the game, and that is just the Early access people, image how many more will be online today when it goes live.
Took me a moment to process "giveaway cosmetics."
Thanks for the numbers Darks. I think there also might be a lot of people like myself who might disagree with Rowling's position, but also recognize that she also has a lot of positions i do agree with, had little to do with this game, and think Avalanche shouldn't be punished for what she said a few years ago. I might think differently about a new Rowling novel which she would obviously have much more involvement with and much more gain.
I'll likely pick this up in the summer sale.
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It's amazing to me that someone can assert that anecdotes equate to data, even after years of being told "That's not how it works". It does work for confirmation bias, however.

I know people who do not wish to own a firearm. That does not mean that they impact the decisions of others to run right out and buy one.
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Darks wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:01:
All this hate towards her is doing nothing but driving up the interest and sales of the game. I was in a Twitch steam yesterday for giveaways cosmetics, and there were over 52000 people watching that stream. And that was just one stream!

I know a lot of people who are purposely buying the game just to spite those who are against it, and not one of them has regretted their purchase because the game is that good and fun.

Steam has reported the game had over 489.000 people playing the game, and that is just the Early access people, image how many more will be online today when it goes live.

People are buying the game "just out of spite"? Really?

Maybe there are just people who can actually compartmentalize their enjoyment of the game/franchise vs what the creator of it says? I mean it's a much simpler reason. Not everyone has to have an agenda.
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Yes, Rowling is garbage.

But Rowling has around one billion dollars (literally.) No game royalties or lack thereof is going to influence her or affect her actions in any meaningful way.
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It's a huge achievement for Avalanche Software. I certainly wasn't expecting Hogwarts Legacy to be as good as it turned out to be (based on reviews). I'm not a Harry Potter fan, but I'll buy it eventually since it's a genuinely good game.
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Darks wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:23:
Beamer wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:14:
The controversy isn't driving sales. This is Harry Potter. It has one of the most attended theme parks in America. It's sold billions of books.

That you're saying the first decent entry in the most popular media for one of the top 10 IPs in the world is successful because of controversy around the author, I'd question your analysis.

Then again, the same people saying the controversy is making it successful are the ones who also say most people don't care or don't know about the controversy, which feels like mutually exclusive statements

Well, you would be wrong, I happen to know a lot of people we went out of their way just because of all the controversy surrounding this game and bought copies. I've also read on Steam similar comments. Maybe you need to do some more research Beamer!

I honestly don't know why you think this is not happening when it is!

"A lot". That seems anecdotal Darks within your own individual web of people you know. I checked steam, there are no reviews yet. And the community hub discussion page are just dumb kids with nonsense topics. Sure there probably are people buying it to 'own X people' but to me HP is a big IP with plenty of fans that just want a cool Hogwarts school to roam around in. The reviews aren't bad if you like Ubisoft style 'do stuff on map'.
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RedEye9 wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:35:
Someone in my bubble... .When the statistical data point of one becomes many. sigh
It took me less than 5 minutes to find over 20 comments like he was saying existed on steam. But definitely his bubble, amirite?
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