On Hogwarts Legacy's Early Success

CNN Business reports on the strong early success of Hogwarts Legacy despite the facts that the game has been embroiled in controversy and its official launch won't arrive for another couple of hours. But the Early Access release for Digital Deluxe Edition customers began on Tuesday, and reportedly "already broke a record on Twitch for being the most-watched single-player game." The article also has a summary of the background controversy, and efforts by the creators of the game at distancing it from J.K. Rowling's rhetoric:
Part of the game’s expectation is based on controversy surrounding Harry Potter’s creator — J.K. Rowling. The author has repeatedly made anti-trans comments, and some of the movies’ actors have spoken out against them. Some gamers also are boycotting Hogwarts Legacy over the controversy.

“It’s not a commercial risk so much as is a cultural one,” van Dreunen said of the game’s release.

The game features a trans character, a first for the franchise. Though the Hogwarts Legacy character Sirona Ryan does not explicitly say she is trans, dialogue in a scene suggests it: “[It] took them a second to realize I was actually a witch, not a wizard,” the character said.

Warner Bros. Discovery said creating diverse characters was a high priority in order to encompass all people who play the games including the LGBTQIA+ community.

The company says J.K. Rowling is not involved in the Hogwarts Legacy game. But she does stand to make licensing royalties. Some fans have been turned off to the franchise because of Rowling’s comments, others say they won’t let that get in the way of experiencing a new world of Harry Potter.
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Dev wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 18:19:
RedEye9 wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 18:08:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-mary-sue/
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Appreciate it! It's nice to see a site that is keeping up with things like this.
I appreciate too that it mentions the bias the source tends to lean towards, every source of news is biased to some degree one way or the other, always best to look at multiple sources when possible.
This is definitely a site I need to remember.
Jdreyer turned me on to it.
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Re: On Hogwarts Legacy's Early Success
Feb 10, 2023, 18:22
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Dev wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 18:00:
This is what I found when I searched. What kinda website is the Mary Sue? I have no idea. I've never read anything else on there.

So you are saying that horn artifact in the game means nothing as well?

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong, if I am. From the stuff I'm seeing that's out there, what's in the game seems sketchy.

I admire your willingness to admit the possibility that you might be wrong and apologize for the harshness with which I responded to your initial post. But I am curious.

You say that this is what you found when you searched. But how did you come across the accusation of antisemitism in the first place? You'd have to have known about it to begin with in order to search for it, no?

The fanatics who hate Rowling for disagreeing with some aspects of gender ideology will literally accuse her of anything as long as they think it will damage her reputation. At one point they tried to claim she was in favor of child pornography. That's in addition to all the rape and death threats they routinely send her way. This is not a reputable bunch.

The Mary Sue is about as far from objective as you could possibly get on the subject of Rowling. Even a cursory glance at the site should have taught you this. Right now they have a story celebrating Harry Potter spoilers, and another "just asking" if she is a racist. It's an uber-fucking woke site. Why would you find it credible just because it showed up in your search results? If you got some far right website, would you find them credible too?

No, I don't find the story about the horn credible either. These are ideologically motivated attacks, launched, again, by people who hate Rowling because she disagrees with some aspects of gender ideology, not because she is somehow antisemetic.
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Re: On Hogwarts Legacy's Early Success
Feb 10, 2023, 18:21
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SMITE wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 16:51:
FloodAnxiety wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 15:28:
There ARE individuals who make conscious choices not to purchase games from certain companies due to their actions or beliefs, and that is a valid personal decision even if you are not counted among those individuals.

It sounds so benign the way you describe it. But what about those individuals who are making conscious choices to target and harass other people simply for playing the game? Just like they will target and harass anyone who disagrees with their views? They're playing a role in this "controversy" too.

https://tinyurl.com/39drud8y

What about them? Are they also making a "valid personal decision?"
I appreciate your concerns, but it's important to note that harassment or targeting of others is never acceptable and goes against the principles of respect and decency. Rather than addressing my original statement, your response seems to deflect and engage in "whataboutism." My original point still stands that individuals have the right to make their own informed decisions and not support entities or individuals whose beliefs or actions go against their values. This doesn't excuse or justify any form of harassment.
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Feb 10, 2023, 18:19
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RedEye9 wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 18:08:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-mary-sue/
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Appreciate it! It's nice to see a site that is keeping up with things like this.
I appreciate too that it mentions the bias the source tends to lean towards, every source of news is biased to some degree one way or the other, always best to look at multiple sources when possible.
This is definitely a site I need to remember.
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-mary-sue/
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SMITE wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 17:47:
I'm Jewish. It shouldn't make any difference, but I am, and I take antisemitism seriously. I also take false accusations of antisemitism that are politically motivated seriously, in that I find them to be completely disgusting.

The accusations that JK Rowling is somehow antisemitic because, among other reasons, the goblins are bankers with hooked noses is total Q-anon level bullshit.

https://unherd.com/thepost/jk-rowling-is-no-antisemite/

We live in a world where actual antisemitism on both the right and the left is on the rise ... and you post shit like this? From a website like The Mary Sue?

Like I said. Disgusting.
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Going off of this link from what appears to be a Jewish source, it does mention some of the stuff you did, this appears to be a more balanced article.
Are the goblins in ‘Hogwarts Legacy’ antisemitic? The Harry Potter video game renews criticism.

However it DOES call out the in game horn I mentioned earlier with a comment from a Jewish game archivist:

Yonah Gerber, a video game archivist, had a different take, noting other details of the game that they said verge on antisemitism. The game includes a description of a horn that resembles a shofar, which “goblins [used] during the 1612 Goblin Rebellion to rally troops and generally annoy witches and wizards,” Gerber said.

“If this was the first time a Rowling property has been antisemitic, that’s a woopsie. But it’s not,” Gerber tweeted. “Even if these are coincidences, had the development team made a point to avoid antisemitic caricatures and educated themselves on that history, this wouldn’t have happened. They chose not to care. And that’s not much better, really.”

Gerber, who is Jewish and nonbinary, told the New York Jewish that “it sucks” that so many people are playing the game.


So I contend that it's fair to bring up IN GAME things that appear anti semetic, even going off of entirely Jewish sources.

Edit: I also think an easy solution to this is for the devs to adjust the horn and description to avoid this appearance. It won't do anything for other problems people have with the game, but it will at least show the developers aren't trying to inject things that appear anti semetic.
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SMITE wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 17:47:
Dev wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 17:14:
SMITE wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 14:44:
Hogwarts Legacy is being targeted soley for political/ideological reasons. No one has argued that there is anything inherently objectionable in the game itself. This "controversy" rests entirely on the fact the author of the books upon which the game is based disagrees with some aspects of gender ideology. (Since that's an objective, non-ideological description of what's going on, I'm sure you'll find it "problematic," so let me run it through my little woke translator. Beep boop beep! Okay. Here you go. "JK Rowling wants to genocide all trans people.")

In other words, there is no controversy about the content of the game, just the views of the author of the books upon which the game is based--views that are in no way reflected in the game itself. With me so far?
Actually no, that's not correct.
The Antisemitism of ‘Harry Potter’ Returns in ‘Hogwarts Legacy’
Hogwarts Legacy faces renewed criticism for inclusion of antisemitic tropes

There's a number of anti semitic tropes in the JKR universe and in the game. Ranging from the goblins with hooked noses who are banking, to even an artifact in the game that looks like a Jewish horn that's dated to a date that relates to a pogrom, and a child abduction plot (another anti semitic trope) that goblins might be involved in, in game.

So even if you ignore all the externalities of the author, the game itself has things. So hypothetically if for some reason I had a kid playing this, I would call out the anti semitic issues as a talking point and make sure they were aware. It's all too easy for this kinda thing to get normalized, and sadly we are currently in a upswing of anti semitism.

I'm Jewish. It shouldn't make any difference, but I am, and I take antisemitism seriously. I also take false accusations of antisemitism that are politically motivated seriously, in that I find them to be completely disgusting.

The accusations that JK Rowling is somehow antisemitic because, among other reasons, the goblins are bankers with hooked noses is total Q-anon level bullshit.

https://unherd.com/thepost/jk-rowling-is-no-antisemite/

We live in a world where actual antisemitism on both the right and the left is on the rise ... and you post shit like this? From a website like The Mary Sue?

Like I said. Disgusting.
This is what I found when I searched. What kinda website is the Mary Sue? I have no idea. I've never read anything else on there.

So you are saying that horn artifact in the game means nothing as well?

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong, if I am. From the stuff I'm seeing that's out there, what's in the game seems sketchy.
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Feb 10, 2023, 17:55
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FloodAnxiety wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 13:21:
The Half Elf wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 12:19:
Darks wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:01:
All this hate towards her is doing nothing but driving up the interest and sales of the game. I was in a Twitch steam yesterday for giveaways cosmetics, and there were over 52000 people watching that stream. And that was just one stream!

I know a lot of people who are purposely buying the game just to spite those who are against it, and not one of them has regretted their purchase because the game is that good and fun.

Steam has reported the game had over 489.000 people playing the game, and that is just the Early access people, image how many more will be online today when it goes live.

People are buying the game "just out of spite"? Really?

Maybe there are just people who can actually compartmentalize their enjoyment of the game/franchise vs what the creator of it says? I mean it's a much simpler reason. Not everyone has to have an agenda.
You say that like being able to compartmentalize is a good thing that should be encouraged.

It is certainly possible for individuals to separate their enjoyment of a game or franchise from the opinions or actions of its creator. However, this choice can be seen as selfish and hypocritical because it prioritizes one's own desire for temporary enjoyment over the impact that their actions have on supporting something that may go against their personal beliefs and values. By choosing to play the game and provide financial support, despite knowing about the creator's opinions or actions, it can be seen as disregarding important values and perpetuating harmful behavior. This is similar to the phrase "stick your head in the sand," as it allows one to avoid facing the consequences of their actions and ignore the impact that they have on the world around them. Ultimately, it is up to each person to determine their own stance and make choices that align with their personal beliefs and values, considering the wider impact that their actions may have.

Honestly I had no clue wtf Rowling said before this game's launch, and honestly don't care. Why? Because I'm an adult, and realize that other adults are allowed to say anything they want reguardless of how much I agree or disagree with people.
The CEO of ChickFilet is homophobic, and I will not support buying of their products, but it won't stop me from eating it if someone else is paying for it.

This is a A-Typical Karen value, ie: I'm going to be offended for someone else's value. Fine go ahead, but please keep your opinions on values etc to yourself. What's that saying "Those in stone houses shouldn't throw stones"?
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There are not a lot of fuckings made by Blue in his comment history.
They must have used some refurbished parts for required repairs after the accident.
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Yeah I don't really suspect too many people are making a purchasing decision based on controversy. Not enough to move the needle one way or the other at least.

Lorcin wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 17:48:
Blue wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 17:37:

Moderator is trying hard to keep threads like this from turning into another shit show and getting shut down.

You're fucking welcome.

Well there's one sure way to escalate things quickly.

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Blue wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 17:37:

Moderator is trying hard to keep threads like this from turning into another shit show and getting shut down.

You're fucking welcome.

Well there's one sure way to escalate things quickly.

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Dev wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 17:14:
SMITE wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 14:44:
Hogwarts Legacy is being targeted soley for political/ideological reasons. No one has argued that there is anything inherently objectionable in the game itself. This "controversy" rests entirely on the fact the author of the books upon which the game is based disagrees with some aspects of gender ideology. (Since that's an objective, non-ideological description of what's going on, I'm sure you'll find it "problematic," so let me run it through my little woke translator. Beep boop beep! Okay. Here you go. "JK Rowling wants to genocide all trans people.")

In other words, there is no controversy about the content of the game, just the views of the author of the books upon which the game is based--views that are in no way reflected in the game itself. With me so far?
Actually no, that's not correct.
The Antisemitism of ‘Harry Potter’ Returns in ‘Hogwarts Legacy’
Hogwarts Legacy faces renewed criticism for inclusion of antisemitic tropes

There's a number of anti semitic tropes in the JKR universe and in the game. Ranging from the goblins with hooked noses who are banking, to even an artifact in the game that looks like a Jewish horn that's dated to a date that relates to a pogrom, and a child abduction plot (another anti semitic trope) that goblins might be involved in, in game.

So even if you ignore all the externalities of the author, the game itself has things. So hypothetically if for some reason I had a kid playing this, I would call out the anti semitic issues as a talking point and make sure they were aware. It's all too easy for this kinda thing to get normalized, and sadly we are currently in a upswing of anti semitism.

I'm Jewish. It shouldn't make any difference, but I am, and I take antisemitism seriously. I also take false accusations of antisemitism that are politically motivated seriously, in that I find them to be completely disgusting.

The accusations that JK Rowling is somehow antisemitic because, among other reasons, the goblins are bankers with hooked noses is total Q-anon level bullshit.

https://unherd.com/thepost/jk-rowling-is-no-antisemite/

We live in a world where actual antisemitism on both the right and the left is on the rise ... and you post shit like this? From a website like The Mary Sue?

Like I said. Disgusting.
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Intolerance to what?! Fuck this bs. Moderator doesn't agree so moderator removes. Plain and simple. You either disagree with JK or don't speak.
Moderator is trying hard to keep threads like this from turning into another shit show and getting shut down.

You're fucking welcome.
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Intolerance to what?! Fuck this bs. Moderator doesn't agree so moderator removes. Plain and simple. You either disagree with JK or don't speak.
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RedEye9 wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 16:57:
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I'll stock up on extinguishers for the inevitable dumpster fire.
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I find it hard to believe that any statistically relevant number of purchases were driven by spite.... But I will say that the wild ride of controversy has given this game a great deal of publicity it would not have had otherwise....and that can help drive sales (oddly similar to TLoU2). Personally I wouldn't have bothered reading a single review but the frequency of it popping up in my feeds has caused me to take a few looks. Certainly not that publishers and marketing firms don't understand this and maybe even stoke the flames....perish the thought.

Most people either don't care.....or consciously/unconsiously separate product from producer and recogize that humans are complex....not just zero/one nazi/angel. Otherwise I couldn't enjoy Ender's Game and no one could own an iPhone. But....being reasonable doesn't garner clicks.
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Feb 10, 2023, 17:15
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How's Overwatch doing these days? How are Ubisoft games fairing?
How's any game from any studio that has recently shown their internal abuses and cracks along with overtly anti work themes such as crunching people into oblivion and then dusting them like yesterdays trash?

I'm confident that I can say that these games and companies are thriving just fine. So in light of the recent events of a particular author and something that came from her world that she initially created and comparing that with the controversies of the actual game companies, this is pretty tame. Games will succeed on their own merit and the controversy that swirls them will fade.
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SMITE wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 14:44:
Hogwarts Legacy is being targeted soley for political/ideological reasons. No one has argued that there is anything inherently objectionable in the game itself. This "controversy" rests entirely on the fact the author of the books upon which the game is based disagrees with some aspects of gender ideology. (Since that's an objective, non-ideological description of what's going on, I'm sure you'll find it "problematic," so let me run it through my little woke translator. Beep boop beep! Okay. Here you go. "JK Rowling wants to genocide all trans people.")

In other words, there is no controversy about the content of the game, just the views of the author of the books upon which the game is based--views that are in no way reflected in the game itself. With me so far?
Actually no, that's not correct.
The Antisemitism of ‘Harry Potter’ Returns in ‘Hogwarts Legacy’
Hogwarts Legacy faces renewed criticism for inclusion of antisemitic tropes

There's a number of anti semitic tropes in the JKR universe and in the game. Ranging from the goblins with hooked noses who are banking, to even an artifact in the game that looks like a Jewish horn that's dated to a date that relates to a pogrom, and a child abduction plot (another anti semitic trope) that goblins might be involved in, in game.

So even if you ignore all the externalities of the author, the game itself has things. So hypothetically if for some reason I had a kid playing this, I would call out the anti semitic issues as a talking point and make sure they were aware. It's all too easy for this kinda thing to get normalized, and sadly we are currently in a upswing of anti semitism.
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Beamer wrote on Feb 10, 2023, 11:14:
The controversy isn't driving sales. This is Harry Potter.

It's impressive how a few people won't come or refuse to come to this realization, which by all accounts should be very simple to arrive to.
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Bobby Kodick gives this 3 chubbys out of 5.
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