John Carmack Leaves Meta [Dec 17, 2022, 2:01 pm ET] – Share – Viewing Comments
John Carmack is departing Meta, where he was working on making the promise of
virtual reality come true. Carmack joined Meta forebear Oculus VR
in 2013 as CTO.
Later that year he departed id
Software, where he had been instrumental in the creation of DOOM and
Quake over the years. In a
post on Facebook (thanks Robert), the famed programmer expresses frustration
with the bureaucratic nature of Meta, saying the experience working there leaves
him "wearied of the fight" to bring value to virtual reality. He adds that this
fight is "still winnable," but he is turning his full attention to the
burgeoning field of artificial intelligence at his startup Keen Technologies.
That said, he does call the Quest 2 "something pretty close to The Right Thing."
Here's a bit on his frustration with the lack of efficiency he's had to deal
with:
We have a ridiculous amount of people and resources, but we constantly self-sabotage and squander effort. There is no way to sugar coat this; I think our organization is operating at half the effectiveness that would make me happy. Some may scoff and contend we are doing just fine, but others will laugh and say “Half? Ha! I’m at quarter efficiency!”
It has been a struggle for me. I have a voice at the highest levels here, so it feels like I should be able to move things, but I’m evidently not persuasive enough. A good fraction of the things I complain about eventually turn my way after a year or two passes and evidence piles up, but I have never been able to kill stupid things before they cause damage, or set a direction and have a team actually stick to it. I think my influence at the margins has been positive, but it has never been a prime mover.
This was admittedly self-inflicted – I could have moved to Menlo Park after the Oculus acquisition and tried to wage battles with generations of leadership, but I was busy programming, and I assumed I would hate it, be bad at it, and probably lose anyway.
Enough complaining. I wearied of the fight and have my own startup to run, but the fight is still winnable! VR can bring value to most of the people in the world, and no company is better positioned to do it than Meta. Maybe it actually is possible to get there by just plowing ahead with current practices, but there is plenty of room for improvement.
Make better decisions and fill your products with “Give a Damn”!
El Pit wrote on Dec 18, 2022, 05:22:
How about a 2nd startup working on another amazing 3D engine? We could need more competition for Unreal with things like the RED Engine on its way out and Bethesda riding its old horse forever and Unity being in trouble and so on.
I mean, idtech is still pretty awesome, the only thing is they still haven't made good on their word to make it more moddable.
I'm actually not sure how I feel about his exit message. I left Samsung feeling and basically saying the exact same thing, but in retrospect I felt like a fucklot was on me as much as the rest of the team. He should've left sooner or change his game. Or he's just entirely right in all he said there.
bRuH, HE Is 100% going to work for Epic now, making unreal engine!
WannaLogAlready: Thanks! Alkaline looks awesome.
Yeah, I'm surprised it took Carmack this long. I get that he at least wanted to see a piece of hardware released that he felt was close to his vision, but Meta was never the right fit for him.
Yeah, I'm surprised it took Carmack this long. I get that he at least wanted to see a piece of hardware released that he felt was close to his vision, but Meta was never the right fit for him.
"When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent." - Isaac Asimov
It’s about time he left Meta. Good luck to Carmack with Keen Industries though. Cool name for a company (from Commander Keen). After seeing his whole 5 hour interview with Fridman he clearly has a big interest in AGI I’m sure he’ll make an impact.
How about a 2nd startup working on another amazing 3D engine? We could need more competition for Unreal with things like the RED Engine on its way out and Bethesda riding its old horse forever and Unity being in trouble and so on.
"There is no right life in the wrong one." (Theodor W. Adorno, philosopher)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
Johns way to smart to work for someone else, especially a red tape, political quagmire, virtue signalling sh!tshow that is FB or Apple$.
Sempai wrote on Dec 18, 2022, 00:51:anonymous anonymous wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 14:59:agreed. Get Musk on it.
Big blow to Zuckerberg. Another reason why Zuck needs to step down, as he is ultimately responsible for the culture that created the problems for Carmack. And Zuck's also tanked the stock with his obsession over a functional Metaverse.
Meta is bloated and needs someone aggressive like Musk to clean house and turn thing around.
Plus he can smell out paedophiles.
anonymous anonymous wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 14:59:agreed. Get Musk on it.
Big blow to Zuckerberg. Another reason why Zuck needs to step down, as he is ultimately responsible for the culture that created the problems for Carmack. And Zuck's also tanked the stock with his obsession over a functional Metaverse.
Meta is bloated and needs someone aggressive like Musk to clean house and turn thing around.
Benzer wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 15:41:
John Carmack: I think this is a stupid idea and we should do this instead.
Someone else: I disagree with John Carmack. My idea is better.
Meta: Let's go with this other guy.
I sympathize with Carmack. As a 49 year old in a technical role at a large company, it is very tough to get people to listen. I’m the oldest on my team by roughly 15 years and I’ve learned the hard way that my younger co-workers have little to no interest in my advice or ideas.
This comment was edited on Dec 17, 2022, 20:19.
anonymous anonymous wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 14:59:
Big blow to Zuckerberg. Another reason why Zuck needs to step down, as he is ultimately responsible for the culture that created the problems for Carmack. And Zuck's also tanked the stock with his obsession over a functional Metaverse.
Meta is bloated and needs someone aggressive like Musk to clean house and turn thing around.
Speaking of tanked stocks, have you seen TSLA?
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anonymous anonymous wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 14:59:
Meta is bloated and needs someone aggressive like Musk to clean house and turn thing around.
Thanks for the chuckle.
Finally. He should've left years ago.
anonymous anonymous wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 14:59:
Meta is bloated and needs someone aggressive like Musk to clean house and turn thing around.
Haha, Musk that crackhead. Sure, if you want someone to fuck up Meta real good I would say that Musk is the prime choice for the time being.
Honestly, the guy must be on meds, drugs, booze or all three. His initial success and rise to fame hasn't done his mental stability any favors. Musk is completely off the rails. A loose cannon. A fucking wrecking ball on steroids. If you want Meta to go away and Zucky to break down in tears, yep, let's hire Musk to clean house...
I'm having an extra beer tonight! Good on you Carmack!
Benzer wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 15:41:3 months later: John Carmack was right. maybe he knows shit.. nah...
John Carmack: I think this is a stupid idea and we should do this instead.
Someone else: I disagree with John Carmack. My idea is better.
Meta: Let's go with this other guy.
John Carmack: I think this is a stupid idea and we should do this instead.
Someone else: I disagree with John Carmack. My idea is better.
Meta: Let's go with this other guy.
Someone else: I disagree with John Carmack. My idea is better.
Meta: Let's go with this other guy.
Big blow to Zuckerberg. Another reason why Zuck needs to step down, as he is ultimately responsible for the culture that created the problems for Carmack. And Zuck's also tanked the stock with his obsession over a functional Metaverse.
Meta is bloated and needs someone aggressive like Musk to clean house and turn thing around.
Meta is bloated and needs someone aggressive like Musk to clean house and turn thing around.
RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 13:53:For anyone interested:
... ...
By golly, I think I'll take a gander at Alkaline v1.1 https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=989
Thanks!
With Ironwail engine (github), no problem, a very fast one.
Couldn't make it work with Quake Remastered (inside rerelease folder), nor with the last Quakespam version (December 5, 2022).
1 Drop the Ironwail folder anywhere.
Copy inside the /id1 folder, and the autoexec.cfg and config.cfg of your usual Quake installation.
Copy the "alk1.1" folder alongside (not inside) the /id1 folder.
Ready to go !
2 Launch a normal Quake sp game, in the usual hall: console, game alk1.1.
(for complex multimap games, put them alongside /id1, console: game gamename)
3 Suggestions to add to the autoexec.cfg (or ironwail.cfg)
r_wateralpha 0.2, clean water
cl_rollangle 0, no swaying
cl_bob 0, no bobbing
fov 95, etc.
Change quicksave from F6 to F5 in config.cfg (F2,F3 for manual load and save)
Your preference:
Only in console, in each level: fog = 0, for a pristine image
No patience for ammo farming: I freeze ammo (float, rounded to zero).
For hundreds of single maps in quaddicted.com, put a .bsp inside a maps folder, *inside* id1 folder. Console, map mapname.
Have a good time !
This comment was edited on Dec 17, 2022, 14:36.
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 13:46:Always suspected him of being homo+, like in the Pohl novel: human plus something more.RedEye9 wrote on Dec 17, 2022, 13:19:"...but he is turning his full attention to the burgeoning field of artificial intelligence at his startup Keen Technologies. "
Where will he go next.
Now, if he can port his genius to a bioelectronic construct ...
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