Oh, and for the record -- I'd be glad if I was wrong. But I doubt I am.

So would have the guys announcing breakthroughs 50 years ago.

I'll take that bet.
Let's talk again then

WannaLogAlready wrote on Dec 13, 2022, 19:17:
Who knows ? hopefully we could be pleasantly surprised in years, months, whatever.

If I could live long enough to collect I would be happy to bet my house there won't be commercial power generation from fusion within the next 50 years.

Mr.Tact, I know.

To me it's a transparent PR operation for attracting investors, be it a meagre or a relatively important advance.
Also getting feel good political points, clearing the pall a little.

Seems a very worthy cause too, instead of the wealthy throwing money at new FTX-like scams:
Fusion could be our species' survival card, so hyping it and giving it press is a winning proposition.
Who knows ? hopefully we could be pleasantly surprised in years, months, whatever.

Did you read about the new Moderna+Pfizer skin cancer vaccines mix ?, 40% less relapse and less death, it's said.
Well, there are new things under the sun eventually, mRNA was around till it finally coalesced.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Dec 13, 2022, 13:45:
Why not give time to the scientists to inform themselves.

They have been informing themselves on fusion for over 50 years.

Listen, I'm not saying don't research it. Just stop doing press releases until you actually have something significant.

Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 13, 2022, 10:08:

Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 12, 2022, 21:06:
Wasted a few minutes reading the WP article on the fusion "breakthrough", here is the pertinent part you need:

...But it’s only a net energy gain at the micro level. The lasers used at the Livermore lab are only about 1 percent efficient...

Additionally, I heard on an NPR report the Livermore Lab can only fire the lasers once a day. The laser heats up focusing lenses which they have to allow to cool before firing again. Fantastic system guys. Personally, I'm thinking the over/under on fusion producing commercial power is probably something like 75 years.

"The lasers produced 2.05 megajoules of energy, and the pellet released roughly 3.15 megajoules."
We'll have cold fusion by next Tuesday.

RE9, we'll never understand each other.

I positively admire Fauci, he saved hundreds of thousands of lives, facing the pressure and threats of idiots and grifters.

My point is obvious:
Even his opinion in a subject matter outside his expertise is rather moot.
Why not give time to the scientists to inform themselves.

Even then, the pletora of approaches to fusion is so diversified, and a good thing covering as much aspects as appear, that also they should be cautious.

And F.E.M., as the rich immature wrote justifying the unblocking of T***p : "Vox populi, vox Dei", but that of course didn't apply to his being massively booed.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Dec 13, 2022, 12:27:

Thanks for you interesting viewpoint, but I'll put my focus on professional opinions.
Let's see what Fauci has to say.

Funny that you should mention a professional like Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. and NIAID Director.
Elon recently mentioned him in one of his "brilliant" hot takes.
Dr Fauci refused to bite but offered up his reasoning by calling it a "cesspool of interaction" adding “I don’t pay any attention to him because that’s merely a distraction."
The man deserves The Presidential Medal of Freedom along with a Congressional Gold Medal.

Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 13, 2022, 10:08:

Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 12, 2022, 21:06:
Wasted a few minutes reading the WP article on the fusion "breakthrough", here is the pertinent part you need:

...But it’s only a net energy gain at the micro level. The lasers used at the Livermore lab are only about 1 percent efficient...

Additionally, I heard on an NPR report the Livermore Lab can only fire the lasers once a day. The laser heats up focusing lenses which they have to allow to cool before firing again. Fantastic system guys. Personally, I'm thinking the over/under on fusion producing commercial power is probably something like 75 years.

Thanks for you interesting viewpoint, but I'll put my focus on professional opinions.
Let's see what Fauci has to say.

Anyways, up to December 16, 1903 it wasn't possible to fly, and then, it was there !
So I'll wait till December 17, 2022 for any developments.

FTX founder indicted on eight criminal charges including fraud and conspiracy.
Only 8 !

Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 12, 2022, 21:06:
Wasted a few minutes reading the WP article on the fusion "breakthrough", here is the pertinent part you need:

...But it’s only a net energy gain at the micro level. The lasers used at the Livermore lab are only about 1 percent efficient...

Additionally, I heard on an NPR report the Livermore Lab can only fire the lasers once a day. The laser heats up focusing lenses which they have to allow to cool before firing again. Fantastic system guys. Personally, I'm thinking the over/under on fusion producing commercial power is probably something like 75 years.

Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 12, 2022, 20:54:
SBF arrested in the Bahamas for a US indictment which should be unsealed tomorrow.

He was just hours away from paying everybody back.
Foiled yet again by the deep state!!1!
BitCoin FTW

Wasted a few minutes reading the WP article on the fusion "breakthrough", here is the pertinent part you need:

...But it’s only a net energy gain at the micro level. The lasers used at the Livermore lab are only about 1 percent efficient...

SBF arrested in the Bahamas for a US indictment which should be unsealed tomorrow.

The Abyss is one of my favorite movies. Super happy to hear it's coming in 4k! Long overdue.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Dec 12, 2022, 14:06:
Curious about The Abyss. 1080 versions have been out for a while via various means of arrrquirement. Are those just upscaled by third parties from a 480 source? Are the 4Ks full remasters? The article doesn't mention it outside of its breathless announcement.

the only HD version available was a transfer done of the theatrical version, that's popped up on streaming services. There hasn't been a transfer of the special edition, which is what is most likely coming. Cameron, as far back as 2016 has been working on new 4K scans from the original negative, that get sidetracked for one reason or another - work progresses but slowly. I think the latest hitch was when Disney acquired Fox. The interview he said this in apparently wasn't completely clear whether it's just going to be the Blu-Ray ready for March, or the 4K, but I would guess, if they were working on the transfer in 2016, that it'll be a full 4K, since it would be weird to bother with an intermediary Blu release.

Okay, so The Abyss is coming to 4K... is it the correct version?

Viagra Lowers the Risk of Alzheimer's By Almost 70%, Study Says

Obligatory "that's not what the study really says"...

People without Alzheimer's are arguably less deteriorated and more likely to be having sex and thus using Viagra. Correlation is not causation.

Looking at the actual study, I'm surprised Nature ran it. They used to be a prestigious journal with high standards. The last couple years, they've loaded up with some seriously questionable staff.

Next, obligatory whining about the continued deterioration in most science journalism...

Burrito of Peace wrote on Dec 12, 2022, 14:06:
Meh. Wake me up when fusion power becomes an actual reality. Mass deployment is right up there with commonly available flying cars and solid state batteries*.

Yep. As I basically said in another topic about fusion, we have been seeing these breakthrough announcements for 50 years (probably longer). So, STFU -- until you build a device which can output more power than is input for a reasonable amount of time. Reasonable being hours for a lab table version, days (at a minimum) for a commercial sized device.

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