Now that I have been educated by Simon Says, I'll be turning the 'K' in Kosumo backwards and heading to Ukraine to fight on the side of good - Russia that is.

Putin, send a plane, I'm ready to help spread freedom in your name. (And kill those Nazis and drug users that are the Ukraine government)

Thank you Simon for helping me see the light.

Wish me luck guys.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 23:32:

Simon Says wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 16:20:
Guys, why do you think I grew bored of replying and had to restrain myself to 1 reply the last few years?

1. "I was bored of something but had to restrain myself from doing that thing". That fails basic logic unless it's compulsive behavior which is a mental illness.

2. Outside of this year, I can not recall you contributing meaningfully for the last twenty years. Your "magnanimous" restraint is self-aggrandizing bullshit.

Simon Says wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 17:25:

I'm sick and tired of you guys's behavior.

...

..I ain't spending my time and energy schooling you guys, not anymore.

You have the option to leave or never post again. I think few people will miss you. Perhaps Reddit is more your speed.

Not to mention that anyone on here sometimes finds themselves on a hill and fights for no reason. But defending the illegal invasion of Ukraine by Russia and the death and destruction Putin wrought for NOTHING is a really dumb thing to do. Not to mention over a TIMES list that lists people who had the greatest effect on history - which that guy definitely has.

And spreading russian disinfo and then defending with.. of all things... Rockefeller owned "news" sources and WIKIPEDIA is the epitome of sisyphus
And when you google his claims, you find they are spread by RUSSIAN TELEGRAM and RUSSIA TODAY - what a surprise. ^^

Simon Says wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 16:20:
Guys, why do you think I grew bored of replying and had to restrain myself to 1 reply the last few years?

1. "I was bored of something but had to restrain myself from doing that thing". That fails basic logic unless it's compulsive behavior which is a mental illness.

2. Outside of this year, I can not recall you contributing meaningfully for the last twenty years. Your "magnanimous" restraint is self-aggrandizing bullshit.

Simon Says wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 17:25:

I'm sick and tired of you guys's behavior.

...

..I ain't spending my time and energy schooling you guys, not anymore.

You have the option to leave or never post again. I think few people will miss you. Perhaps Reddit is more your speed.

Wait. Do you think Ukraine sought NATO membership before Russia invaded?

They never formally applied. Even if they did, that warrants the invasion?

Simon Says wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 17:25:
... ... ...
Don't expect me to be so magnanimous next time.

Thanks for sparing us

And keep reading wikipedia, "to show you how deep you guys were in misinformation and how easy it is to find reliable sources".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty :

"Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation",

1- Agreement between Ukraine and Russia", signed in 1997.
Ukraine gives up its USSR's nuclear weapons as proof of trust and good faith.

2- Putin and Russia shits on that and annexes Crimea in 2014, funds and arms separatists.

You know, PRIME sources... proceeds to cite Wikipedia for 66% of the "sources".

Did anyone say there was no cease-fire offer? The comments were about how worthless Putin's word is, which you didn't address at all. A ceasefire that involved handing Putin more of Ukraine btw, so in effect a partial surrender. Also a cease-fire that involved breaking existing agreements with Putin, just to demonstrate how useless his word is.

You also didn't address your apparent failure to understand what the POTY award is actually about, or that Zelensky wasn't president for most of the time you've talked about. In fact, you've doubled down on this mistake, talking about a "WHOLE FRIGGIN TIMELINE" that Zelensky had little or nothing to do with.

"Heck I wasn't even trying". It shows.

Simon Says wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 17:25:

Beamer wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 16:37:
Ok. Post some "prime sources."
You said you could, so, do.

Easy as pie.

I think you provided the wrong sources, they seem to say the opposite of what you are saying.

Beamer wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 16:37:
Ok. Post some "prime sources."
You said you could, so, do.

Easy as pie.

About the cease-fire and NATO, cited from the "ForeignAffairs" by Fiona Hill, former US National Security council member and Angela Stent, foreign policy expert specializing in US and European relations with Russia and Russian foreign policy ( Source ): "According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries."

Which fits from sources from Ukraine that there was a cease-fire agreement and that it was sabotaged by the UK/US duo:

"According to Ukrainska Pravda sources close to Zelenskyy, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Boris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages. The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with.

And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they [the UK and US] are not. Johnson’s position was that the collective West, which back in February had suggested Zelenskyy should surrender and flee, now felt that Putin was not really as powerful as they had previously imagined, and that here was a chance to “press him.”"

Same from the Russian side:

Consequently after Boris Johnson's visit to Ukraine in Kyiv on april 8-9, Russian Minister Sergey Lavrov stated that "compromise is no longer an option."

About the bombings on the Donbas region in 2014 onward, you have the WHOLE FRIGGIN TIMELINE there with multiple sources for each year on Wikipedia, here's the one for 2014 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_war_in_Donbas_(2014)

Change the numbers yourselves to 2015 and so on for the rest through to 2022.

Here's also the "War in Donbas"'s, incomplete, but very well sourced article spanning 2014 to 2022 also on Wikipedia : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)

It took just a few minutes guys. Just a few minutes to make sure someone doesn't speak from one's ass.

What is your excuse guys? What is it?

I'm sick and tired of you guys's behavior. History is staring you right in the face and what do you do? Spit at it.

Well fuck that, I ain't spending my time and energy schooling you guys, not anymore. I'm doing this solely to show you how deep you guys were in misinformation and how easy it is to find reliable sources for what I cited.

Heck I wasn't even trying, this was a quick and dirty search. Usually you would take your time doing this and really dig deep, I went light, just to make a point of how easy it is.

Don't expect me to be so magnanimous next time.

Ok. Post some "prime sources."
You said you could, so, do.

Kosumo wrote on Dec 8, 2022, 00:23:
Yep, I agree, Volodymyr should have offered Ukraine to Russia long before Putin had to attack it. It's all Volodymyr fault.

If pre-emptive surrender is not the answer, I don't want to know the question.

(Just wanted to have Simon Says diatribe in my post history)

Just wanted to have that note of Kosumo's infinite capacity for strawmanning and other logical fallacies while remaining oblivious to his own usage of them in my post history.

*winks*

*****

*looks at the rest of the comments* *chuckles*

OMG guys, you should really lay off the propaganda kool-aid.

If you can't deal with the facts since I could've referenced multiple prime sources as defined by the historian scientific method, because I studied this, lessons ( there are courses dedicated to teaching the historian scientific method, how to think, search, find and discern sources like one, how to apply the scientific method to the historian work, how to separate the wheat from the chaff, the whole "shebang" ) at what you would probably call College, called Cegep in Quebec, for each and everyone of the facts listed very easily, at least have the decency not to engage instead of blatantly humiliating yourselves by engaging in what is at best misinformation which only serves to spread ignorance and confusion.

All those years, I've been going easy on you guys in that regard, but seeing such blatant bullshit I couldn't keep this in anymore, this is just humiliating. Take a few real history lessons, not those where they try to hammer a "pre-made" history narrative into your head, but those that teach you how to think like a historian in a scientific manner, learn the method, apply it and maybe you'll start seeing things in a different light, not just always going with this or that propaganda as it's so often the case.

Guys, why do you think I grew bored of replying and had to restrain myself to 1 reply the last few years? There's just so much effort one can put into trying to slap some sense into people who don't seem to want to learn.

This comment was edited on Dec 8, 2022, 16:47.

Russia has had a long history of massacring ukranians. the USSR thing was the greater evil, which allowed them to work together, but as we have seen with the breakup, formerly peaceful countries went back to attacking each other and others. no doubt conservatives love their "most corrupt country in the world" narrative when it comes to ukraine, but compared to what, and how? putin understands dictators, and without a friendly dictator in surrounding countries, he has issues. this is all on him, and historically his country.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 7, 2022, 22:18:
Hey WannaLogAlready
What the heck is going on in your neck of the woods?
Peru’s President impeached and arrested after he attempts to dissolve Congress

Outing terrible corrupt presidents is something of a sport there, you should try it (in an effective manner).
My Argentina should too.

But as shown in this thread there are always people capable of blindly following the most repulsive madness and blaming anyone but the evident culprit.

Simon Says wrote on Dec 7, 2022, 12:53:

Lets his country be ravaged and destroyed by war, his citizens to suffer, all of Europe plunge in an energy crisis and the world in a food crisis when he had multiple occasions in the last few years to prevent such a catastrophe and always chose wrong because of donbass ( yes, the wordplay on "dumbass" is intentional ) nationalistic reasons. I guess Einstein was right about that nationalism thing:

"Viereck ( interviewer ): 'Do you look upon yourself as a German or as a Jew?'
Einstein: 'It is quite possible, to be both. I look upon myself as a man. Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.'"

-He could've prevented it years ago by stopping the bombing of his own friggin' Ukrainian people in the Russophone Donbass ( ongoing since at least 2014 ).
-He could've prevented it again when he had a cease-fire with Moscow just a few months into the conflict, but the UK and USA puppeteered him to escalate the war instead.
-He could've prevented it by not uselessly provoking Russia with the NATO membership threat for years.
-And... Well, there are many more ways he could've prevented it, but yeah sure, make him PotY.

I mean it's as stupid to make him PotY as it would've been to make Putin PotY.

Imagine making Putin PotY!

Lol, wait... those dumbasses actually did make Putin PotY in 2007. Just shows how much Time and others can choose to act like clueless morons and that the PotY award can be used as shameless propaganda rhetoric tool.

Welp, who would've thought?

Yep, I agree, Volodymyr should have offered Ukraine to Russia long before Putin had to attack it. It's all Volodymyr fault.

If pre-emptive surrender is not the answer, I don't want to know the question.

(Just wanted to have Simon Says diatribe in my post history)

Hey WannaLogAlready
What the heck is going on in your neck of the woods?
Peru’s President impeached and arrested after he attempts to dissolve Congress

eRe4s3r wrote on Dec 7, 2022, 13:14:

Simon Says wrote on Dec 7, 2022, 12:53:
megasnip

Reported for spreading russian dis-info

Russian President Vladimeer Putrid said today that the war in Ukraine may continue for some time, a rare acknowledgement that Russia's military campaign has not gone as planned.
Fielding questions from a Kremlin backed human rights council (that has to be a joke, Right), Vlad said the military operation in Ukraine had met unexpected challenges.

My take is it's; Clearly the fault of the war mongering USA and the comedian turned President (who has a law degree, as comedians do)
Did i do that right.

This comment was edited on Dec 7, 2022, 18:55.

Armengar wrote on Dec 7, 2022, 11:42:
Decent scotch whiskey. That's the secret to decent sleep.

It's actually not (although can be taken as such, and is yummy). You fall asleep easily but wake up too early.

According to the orcs and Uruk-Hai here at Barad-Dur, CBD and THC may be helpful with sleep. Although they always sleep well after stuffing themselves with Hobbit in Orange Sauce.

I'm quite curious how you came to these conclusions, assuming this isn't some poorly implemented sarcasm. Let's break it down:

Simon Says wrote on Dec 7, 2022, 12:53:

Lets his country be ravaged and destroyed by war, his citizens to suffer, all of Europe plunge in an energy crisis and the world in a food crisis when he had multiple occasions in the last few years to prevent such a catastrophe and always chose wrong because of donbass ( yes, the wordplay on "dumbass" is intentional ) nationalistic reasons.

Zelensky didn't "let" anything happen, he was invaded by an imperial power with designs on empire. Both the energy and food crises are entirely of Russia's design and they bear 100% of the responsibility. If the US invaded Canada intent on making Canada part of the USA causing a worldwide maple syrup and hockey player shortage, would you blame Canada for that? Also, Europe made its own bed RE: the energy crisis. They knew of Putin's imperial designs since Crimea in 2014 and did very little to diversify their energy profile away from Russia in the interim.

I guess Einstein was right about that nationalism thing:
"Viereck ( interviewer ): 'Do you look upon yourself as a German or as a Jew?'
Einstein: 'It is quite possible, to be both. I look upon myself as a man. Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.'"

The nationalism of the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries was a new and powerful force that led to racial supremacy, imperial ambitions, economic exploitation, and other undesirable outcomes. Einstein wasn't wrong. But his argument would apply to what Russia and Putin are doing, not Ukraine and Zelensky.

-He could've prevented it years ago by stopping the bombing of his own friggin' Ukrainian people in the Russophone Donbass ( ongoing since at least 2014 ).

The Donbass is Ukrainian sovereign territory, per the 1990 declaration of independence and subsequent recognition of those borders by Russia in 1991 and further elucidated in the 1997 Russia-Ukraine friendship treaty. If Mexico invades Southern California just because there are some Spanish-speakers there, do we just cede them that territory?

-He could've prevented it again when he had a cease-fire with Moscow just a few months into the conflict, but the UK and USA puppeteered him to escalate the war instead.

Putin is a completely unreliable participant in cease-fires, treaties, etc. All of those existed prior to the invasion of Ukraine, yet he pushed forward with that greedy and illegal invasion regardless. He would simply use any ceasefire to solidify his position and continue his attempt at subsuming the entirety of Ukraine until it no longer existed. Putin's own words: "Ukraine is not even a state."

-He could've prevented it by not uselessly provoking Russia with the NATO membership threat for years.

Funny story, both the Ukrainian people and government were pretty strongly against EU and NATO membership until Putin annexed Crimea. Ukraine's movement in this direction is entirely caused by Putin's and Russia's own actions in this regard.

-And... Well, there are many more ways he could've prevented it, but yeah sure, make him PotY.

Seriously, how could he have prevented it? In Dec 2021 and Jan 2022, Biden and the US told Zelensky directly, and then leaked to the press that invasion was imminent. Zelensky played it down and denied that exactly to placate Putin and avoid escalating tensions. Putin invaded anyway.

I mean it's as stupid to make him PotY as it would've been to make Putin PotY.
Imagine making Putin PotY!
Lol, wait... those dumbasses actually did make Putin PotY in 2007. Just shows how much Time and others can choose to act like clueless morons and that the PotY award can be used as shameless propaganda rhetoric tool.
Welp, who would've thought?

Person of the Year is always a judgement call, and is used to highlight the person who has had one of the largest social, economic, and geo-political impacts in the world, good or bad. Certainly in 2007 a good case could be made for Putin's rise to power and turnaround of the economic and political chaos in nuclear superpower Russia that preceded his rule (at the cost of democratic reforms). And it was a good call, given that we're still dealing with Putin's rule to this day. He is still one of the most powerful and consequential people in the world 15 years after that "award."

Simon Says wrote on Dec 7, 2022, 12:53:

Lol, wait... those dumbasses actually did make Putin PotY in 2007. Just shows how much Time and others can choose to act like clueless morons and that the PotY award can be used as shameless propaganda rhetoric tool.

I don't believe you're aware of what "Person of the Year" really means.
Hitler was person of the year. That wasn't to compliment him. Same with Stalin and the Ayatollah.

Edited cause someone beat me to it.