RedEye9 wrote on Dec 2, 2022, 07:27:

VaranDragon wrote on Dec 2, 2022, 02:27:

Bishi wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 18:05:
Something bad happened?!? BLAME ALL THE COMPANIES

Yes blame the companies! Blame them, they are greedy and for the money they fucking gouge us, they need to do better. The above example took me 5 minutes to fix (even though I did a clean install and it definitely wasn't my fault) but I'm computer savvy and work in IT. Most people aren't, and when shit like this happens they are in trouble. So yeah, fuck Nvidia.

What was the fix?

DDU and reinstall. One thing that was very weird, that I noticed. First time I installed I ticked the "clean installation" box (I always, and I mean always go Custom Installation > Clean Instalation for Nvidia drivers) and the driver did something I haven't seen in ages. It rebooted my PC.
After DDU and on the second install, it behaved normally I.E. as it has for the last 20 driver installations I did, it "removed" the old drivers (even though that was taken care of by the DDU) and installed new ones without a reboot. After that, everything worked out fine.

VaranDragon wrote on Dec 2, 2022, 02:27:

Bishi wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 18:05:
Something bad happened?!? BLAME ALL THE COMPANIES

Yes blame the companies! Blame them, they are greedy and for the money they fucking gouge us, they need to do better. The above example took me 5 minutes to fix (even though I did a clean install and it definitely wasn't my fault) but I'm computer savvy and work in IT. Most people aren't, and when shit like this happens they are in trouble. So yeah, fuck Nvidia.

What was the fix?

I think I'll wait a couple of days. Last drivers were confirmed by Nvidia to be not working for my card.

These ones are probably fine, but I'll just wait a few days to make sure

Bishi wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 18:05:
Something bad happened?!? BLAME ALL THE COMPANIES

Yes blame the companies! Blame them, they are greedy and for the money they fucking gouge us, they need to do better. The above example took me 5 minutes to fix (even though I did a clean install and it definitely wasn't my fault) but I'm computer savvy and work in IT. Most people aren't, and when shit like this happens they are in trouble. So yeah, fuck Nvidia.

There are new AMD GPU drivers too that just came out.

Something bad happened?!? BLAME ALL THE COMPANIES

VaranDragon wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 13:36:
I did download the drivers, and for some reason I can't access the Nvidia Control Panel....Great Work Nvidia. Great Fucking Work.

Problem is on your end. Try DDU and check Clean Install if needed. Worked great for me.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 15:11:
DDU to the rescue?
After 30 minutes of your time and a couple reboots.

Lol what’s with this hyperbole? 30min just for DDU? You on a 5400rpm mechanical from 20 years ago? It takes under 5min.

EDIT: timed it just to see, ran DDU, rebooted, installed the new drivers, then opened NVCP, stopped timer. Nothing particularly crazy about my 2 year old home built (Win11, 5800X, B550, 3070FE, nvme drive). Total time: 3 minutes 5 seconds.

This comment was edited on Dec 1, 2022, 16:59.

VaranDragon wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 13:36:
I've got a 3090RTX should I download these drivers, or will it fuck up my card?

*update*

I did download the drivers, and for some reason I can't access the Nvidia Control Panel....Great Work Nvidia. Great Fucking Work.

we’ll that’s maddening and odd
DDU to the rescue? https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html
After 30 minutes of your time and a couple reboots.

If you really want to rant let’s talk about a gaming laptop that loses features Basic Windows Functionality when you install any driver other than the one released by the laptop manufacturer.
I tried a newer Nvidia driver and lost the ability to change screen brightness. Either in Windows settings or by the built in keyboard options.
The onscreen display shows the brightness slider moving but nada when it comes to nits.
reverting to a much older, dell released, driver fixed it.
Thank you Dell. fuckers

This comment was edited on Dec 1, 2022, 15:33.

I've got a 3090RTX should I download these drivers, or will it fuck up my card?

*update*

I did download the drivers, and for some reason I can't access the Nvidia Control Panel....Great Work Nvidia. Great Fucking Work.

This comment was edited on Dec 1, 2022, 14:52.

RogueSix wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 12:32:

Xero wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 11:29:
Anyone else kind of salty that you could have a 3090 which isn't technically "old" and costed over 1000 and it is already neglected as far as DLSS2 goes?

How is the RTX 3090 being neglected as far as DLSS 2 goes? I don't think this is the case. DLSS 3 has become synonymous with "frame generation" and that should be the only difference between DLSS 3 and DLSS 2 support.

For example, if a game supports DLSS 3 what it actually means is it supports frame generation, DLSS super resolution (like DLSS version 2.42) and nVidia Reflex. If you have a RTX 3090 then the only thing that is missing is support for frame generation but you still get the DLSS 2.42 and Reflex support, of course.

Straight from nVidia's dev Q&A when they revealed the RTX 4000 series (if you follow the link it has a handy quick reference table, too):

Q: Will DLSS 2.X continue to be improved and supported in future titles?

Link

DLSS 3 consists of 3 technologies – DLSS Frame Generation, DLSS Super Resolution (a.k.a. DLSS 2), and NVIDIA Reflex.

DLSS Frame Generation uses RTX 40 Series high-speed Optical Flow Accelerator to calculate the motion flow that is used for the AI network, then executes the network on 4th Generation Tensor Cores. Support for previous GPU architectures would require further innovation and optimization for the optical flow algorithm and AI model. 

DLSS Super Resolution and NVIDIA Reflex will of course remain supported on prior generation hardware, so current GeForce gamers and creators will benefit from games integrating DLSS 3. We continue to research and train the AI for DLSS Super Resolution and will provide model updates for all RTX customers as we have been doing since DLSS’s initial release.

Well that is reassuring. I thought with 3 out, that 2 would become an afterthought or something. Helps a bit.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 12:13:

Xero wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 11:29:
Anyone else kind of salty that you could have a 3090 which isn't technically "old" and costed over 1000 and it is already neglected as far as DLSS2 goes? I know the 4series is awesome and they want to support the hell out of them as its newest product, but how could you neglect the prior release already which still costs almost similar to their newest cards? I dunno, a tad salty here.

Sell your 3090, it's only 3 months old.

I would if there was a 4090 in White similar quality to the Asus Rog Strix, lol. Oh, and that I could actually get a hold of.

Xero wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 11:29:
Anyone else kind of salty that you could have a 3090 which isn't technically "old" and costed over 1000 and it is already neglected as far as DLSS2 goes?

How is the RTX 3090 being neglected as far as DLSS 2 goes? I don't think this is the case. DLSS 3 has become synonymous with "frame generation" and that should be the only difference between DLSS 3 and DLSS 2 support.

For example, if a game supports DLSS 3 what it actually means is it supports frame generation, DLSS super resolution (like DLSS version 2.42) and nVidia Reflex. If you have a RTX 3090 then the only thing that is missing is support for frame generation but you still get the DLSS 2.42 and Reflex support, of course.

Straight from nVidia's dev Q&A when they revealed the RTX 4000 series (if you follow the link it has a handy quick reference table, too):

Q: Will DLSS 2.X continue to be improved and supported in future titles?

Link

DLSS 3 consists of 3 technologies – DLSS Frame Generation, DLSS Super Resolution (a.k.a. DLSS 2), and NVIDIA Reflex.

DLSS Frame Generation uses RTX 40 Series high-speed Optical Flow Accelerator to calculate the motion flow that is used for the AI network, then executes the network on 4th Generation Tensor Cores. Support for previous GPU architectures would require further innovation and optimization for the optical flow algorithm and AI model. 

DLSS Super Resolution and NVIDIA Reflex will of course remain supported on prior generation hardware, so current GeForce gamers and creators will benefit from games integrating DLSS 3. We continue to research and train the AI for DLSS Super Resolution and will provide model updates for all RTX customers as we have been doing since DLSS’s initial release.

Xero wrote on Dec 1, 2022, 11:29:
Anyone else kind of salty that you could have a 3090 which isn't technically "old" and costed over 1000 and it is already neglected as far as DLSS2 goes? I know the 4series is awesome and they want to support the hell out of them as its newest product, but how could you neglect the prior release already which still costs almost similar to their newest cards? I dunno, a tad salty here.

Sell your 3090, it's only 3 months old.

Got a 3070FE here, not salty at all, card still runs great. Every two years Nvidia has released new GPUs like clockwork, and always have new hardware/software features. DLSS2 isn't "neglected" it still works great and they said will continue to get improvements in parallel with DLSS3 which just adds frame generation. Any game that comes with updated DLSS support now supports both versions.

Anyone else kind of salty that you could have a 3090 which isn't technically "old" and costed over 1000 and it is already neglected as far as DLSS2 goes? I know the 4series is awesome and they want to support the hell out of them as its newest product, but how could you neglect the prior release already which still costs almost similar to their newest cards? I dunno, a tad salty here.