Nevermind.

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HoSpanky wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 08:24:
Nidian, I totally agree. Cavill is the only reason to watch the show, it’s kinda crap otherwise. Specifically, The witch training school was complete horseshit, they’re tasked with performing random complex things with no lead up. It’d be like asking someone to solve an algebra equation before teaching them what numbers are. That part pissed me off so much that it tainted the rest of the show for me.

Netflix Replaces Henry Cavill In Witcher With Liam Hemsworth
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Nidian wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 19:02:

Bodolza wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 17:47:
Sounds like y'all are actually agreeing on everything except the definition of the word "respect".

Yes and no. I was extremely hesitant to dive down this rabbit hole... but... his original comment does need more clarity. Because, without any clarification, his comment comes off as a bit daft (at least that's how I interpreted it & I'm assuming that Quinn felt the same).

Exactly. Very daft, and you coincidently spoke my thoughts for me. I think I know exactly what Beamer means by it, though. I think he believes real-life politics need to be reflected in anything entertainment, and politics > respect. It's that simple.

Bodolza wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 17:47:
Sounds like y'all are actually agreeing on everything except the definition of the word "respect".

Yes and no. I was extremely hesitant to dive down this rabbit hole... but... his original comment does need more clarity. Because, without any clarification, his comment comes off as a bit daft (at least that's how I interpreted it & I'm assuming that Quinn felt the same).

There are many different levels of respect when comes to entertainment media. Because if you don't respect the source material... why license the property in the first place if you're not going to use anything from it? Also, because of the differences between books & other entertainment mediums, there are somethings that are just lost in the translation. This doesn't necessarily equal disrespect or lacking respect... it just means somethings are ultimately unavoidable. Most authors do realize & fully understand this fact.

Respect in terms of books, to me, ultimately means respecting the story... the characters... the overall universe the story was built upon... & the sometimes the authors original vision for the work. And these are interchangeable as you can ignore the story... write your own... but still respect the characters & universe. But don't ignore too many or you risk disrespecting the source material as Amazon clearly found out the hard way.

Sounds like y'all are actually agreeing on everything except the definition of the word "respect".

Beamer wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 08:33:
I don't think tv needs to "respect" source material, as it's a different medium and can't convey ideas in the same way, so changes are needed.

Deviations from one entertainment medium to another is par for the course & expected. But that doesn't automatically equal not respecting the source material. Also outright disrespecting the source material is foolhardy almost always ends in failure. You can show respect for the source material all while transferring a book to another entertainment medium like TV or video games & making changes here & there to fit that medium. These two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Also, thanks to Amazon Prime, we have a modern day example of what happens when you show no respect for the source material. If you want more examples of companies showing respect or disrepect for the source... I could go on for days. Hell... CD Project Red must have had a hell of a lot of problems transferring the books to video game format. I would even argue that video games are the more difficult of the lot compared to the others when transferring books to another medium. Because transferring a book, which is linear, to video games, which are interactive, is almost definitely going to be very difficult. But CD Project Red pulled off just fine with The Witcher video game series.

So ignoring the source material all the while claiming "it's a different entertainment medium, changes had to be made" as an excuse is just shoddy work & pure laziness. People that use excuses like that for their work deserve to lose their position in the company to more qualified personnel &/or fired outright.

Quinn wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 13:38:
You takin' the piss?

A bit. But also serious. He stated his opinion and gave a reason why he has that opinion. Seemed pretty clear to me, so I don't understand why you don't understand what he wrote.

Bodolza wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 13:30:

Quinn wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 12:54:
No need to respect source material? Right. Would ask what you mean by that

I'm not going to speak for Beamer, but I've got no problem understanding what he's saying. Are you a non-native English speaker?

You takin' the piss?

Quinn wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 12:54:
No need to respect source material? Right. Would ask what you mean by that

I'm not going to speak for Beamer, but I've got no problem understanding what he's saying. Are you a non-native English speaker?

Beamer wrote on Oct 26, 2022, 08:33:
I don't think tv needs to "respect" source material, as it's a different medium and can't convey ideas in the same way, so changes are needed.

No need to respect source material? Right. Would ask what you mean by that, but I've given up having a normal conversation with you a long time ago.

Interesting how so many people disliked the Witcher show... I loved the novels, at least the 5 or so that I've read(I am pretty sure more are translated now) and I thought the show was pretty good. I never finished Witcher 2, although I did finish Witcher 1 and 3... I've been meaning to go back and play Witcher 2 for awhile now, but none of that really had any bearing on my enjoyment of the show. This one quote by an ex Witcher writer... meh, who knows how true this is. One offhand remark? Constant hatred of the novels? Games? No way to tell, this is more gossip than anything real, and it leads into more of a promotion for his upcoming X-Men show than anything. "We're all fans of the X-Men... on my new show coming out in 2023!" Also, for something that has run as long as the X-Men comics.. what fucking era are the writers fans of? Probably different eras anyway. Hopefully none of them are fans of the 'Wolverine got his adamantium sucked out' era, or the 'everyone is related to Cyclops' era(s).

Amazon's Lord of the Rings show was pretty, and mediocre to me. The orcs are always going to be the most interesting species and culture to me in any LotR movie or show though, the elves and dwarves are always boring as hell. The humans and Halflings... ugh, either ridiculously brave or cute and silly, also pretty boring. That said, I finished watching the show, and thought it got slightly better over time. Maybe hire some better fight coordinators though, very weak combat from the elves. No more over the top wire-work/cgi please.

No kidding, re: The Witcher. As a fan of both, it feels genuinely difficult for me even to begin the new season (which is, at this point, old). Thus far, I haven't succeeded.

I don't think tv needs to "respect" source material, as it's a different medium and can't convey ideas in the same way, so changes are needed.

But it was just boring. And the changes to the beauty and the beast episode took anything interesting from the story. I quit after that episode. Just didn't see much worth returning to. Oddly, my wife, who enjoyed S1 less than I did (I saw potential more than quality) stuck with it to the end without me.

Nidian, I totally agree. Cavill is the only reason to watch the show, it’s kinda crap otherwise. Specifically, The witch training school was complete horseshit, they’re tasked with performing random complex things with no lead up. It’d be like asking someone to solve an algebra equation before teaching them what numbers are. That part pissed me off so much that it tainted the rest of the show for me.

After Rings of Power... I'm not going near anything from Amazon until some credible reviews come out. How much money did they throw at that again? And they still couldn't hire decent writers or actors? Good grief.

As for the Witcher series... it sadly shows in the episodes. If you've read the books... so much disrespect & blatant disregard for source material is laced throughout the series. But I guess as long as Andrzej Sapkowski got paid... he doesn't seem to care how Netflix treats his material. Henry Cavill is literally the only saving grace about the series that makes it worth anything. Everyone & everything else about the series can be flushed IMO. Say what you want about the video games & how they make small deviations compared to the books or whatnot, at least CD Project Red showed that they cared for the source material. Even after Sapkowski got all butt hurt about how much money they made from it... CD Project Red still went out of their way to appease him when they didn't have to.

First *official* photo. There have been photos of power armor, the inside of a vault, someone in a vault suit, a settlement, etc around for weeks, and there are many, many pictures of a Super-Duper Mart.

war, war never changes.

The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.

But war never changes.