IMO it's not just the attackers...it is both sides. Any journalist/pop culture/videogame commentator knows that there will always be trolls amongst the critics. And that this is not isolated to just gender either as there are just as many men in the business that get attacked as well.

In terms of Frosk... it's not what she said about Bethesda & the PS5 that pissed people off. It was how she responded to criticism in the following video with the rant. Try to remember that video games can be an extremely emotional deal with a lot of people. And emotions tend to get in the way of critical thinking with some when they feel attacked without just cause. But how Frosk handled the situation was the absolute worst way possible. It was the equivalent of crying abuse, like Amber Heard did, when there was none... at that moment. At least nothing over the top & out of the ordinary from what I saw when it was happening. After the rant... no doubt... there was a ton ad hominem & vitriolic attacks. But from my experience... sadly trolls do tend to come out of the woodwork when baited.

Now before you start replying... here's the rub that gets me. For the rant itself that started the whole clusterf***... I don't believe Frosk is entirely at fault here for that. Partially, yes, but not entirely. Now there are too many conflicting reports when it comes to whether the rant was either adlibbed by Frosk or scripted. But the thing that is generally agreed upon by most is that the upper management have stated they are about diversity & inclusion... & that they had their employees back. Now most commentators know that there are just certain lines you do not cross when it comes to the fan/viewer base. And based on her history... Frosk knew better. But Frosk may have felt that she had permission to do just that based upon what is being said about the upper management's initial stance. If this is true... then most of the blame would lie squarely on the poor skills of the upper managements shoulders. They had a responsibility to stop the rant from taking place. If responsible for the rant... they should have never handed it to Frosk to deliver it as no properly run company would ever do that. Since they allowed the rant to take place, as a company, they had a responsibility to continually back Frosk & defend her stance. At first they did just this. But after the backlash grew out of control due to their lack of real action other than a tweet... they backed down. And because they hid videos related to the rant & invited someone like Amouranth on as a guest... this made it ten times worse.

Anyways... I stand by my statement on the rant, itself, was the start of the whole mess & not the criticism that came before. As nobody on youtube was really talking about Frosk or the issue until after the rant made every criticism about gender. Sure... every troll on youtube came out of the woodwork after the rant... but not before.

Nidian wrote on Oct 22, 2022, 10:51:
You can try to reinterpret it however you want. But the fact remains that she used the rant to deflect any & all valid criticism. Because almost no one was even getting angry or blowing up at her before that.

It's possible the valid criticism didn't much matter, but the retaliatory criticism did, and that drowned out the retaliatory criticism.

Some idiot on TV doesn't know enough about video games, who cares? What kind of moron gets worked up and says misogynist things based on that?

The moron culture war YouTubers, that's who. They make their money being angry at trivial things that shouldn't impact anyone over 10. I'm still annoyed that anyone pays attention to that guy you linked to. All people like him do is cause outrage over nothing and make the world a much worse place for anyone unfortunate enough to have to deal with his followers.

It's just weird that someone said something dumb, was attacked by awful people saying awful things, and the response isn't to condemn the awful people but make videos saying they're really ok for what they said, or at worst should be ignored, because one person on a channel no one knew existed said something dumb.

The problem is the attackers. Keep the focus on them. Not the person no one will remember in a year, if anyone here even knows who they are now. Instead, the faceless mass that thinks this kind of thing is ok.

You can try to reinterpret it however you want. But the fact remains that she used the rant to deflect any & all valid criticism. Because almost no one was even getting angry or blowing up at her before that.

Nidian wrote on Oct 21, 2022, 23:02:
He may be opinionated in the video... which I won't disagree with... but the clips he shows of Frosk are dead-on accurate & the true reason for her rant. Not "Sexism & Misogyny" as she would like others to believe. Plus, the last time I checked, I believe G4 attempted to hide all videos related to the rant. This was one of the few videos on youtube that had clips of it (translation: easiest to list here).

Translation; I am reaching and bending logic to defend sexism or misogyny. Which if you look at all the attacks against her WAS EXACTLY that, mostly hateful woman and gay bashing. So fucking please. Defend that.

What she said outside of the video in question is IRRELEVANT. What she said in the video is and was the point, you're again just reaching trying to change the narrative exactly like I said people like you were doing. Because her actual point and narrative was correct and people like you replying with the vitriol proved her point. You and your ilk just don't like being called out.

He may be opinionated in the video... which I won't disagree with... but the clips he shows of Frosk are dead-on accurate & the true reason for her rant. Not "Sexism & Misogyny" as she would like others to believe. Plus, the last time I checked, I believe G4 attempted to hide all videos related to the rant. This was one of the few videos on youtube that had clips of it (translation: easiest to list here).

Nidian wrote on Oct 21, 2022, 22:29:
See... most folks defending her did not even research anything behind what started Frosk's rant & just took her at her word. In a previous video... she made a comment about the videogames that seemed easily way off & ill informed at the time. To a point that several of her co-hosts tried to hint that she may just be off the mark. Naturally... the internet at large can & will, like clockwork, call game journalists out on their B.S. statements if they perceive them to be inaccurate or simply untrue (regardless of their gender). So... as expected... they did in the comments section. Instead of humbly taking the criticism & learning from it... or saying that she's only human & can make mistakes... she turned it into a gigantic issue about sexism. That anyone that criticized her statements was only doing it because they were sexist & misogynistic. So she basically strawmanned all her critics with the typical "sexism & misogyny" rant in a sad attempt to silence all criticism.

So whether the rant was 100% correct or not wasn't even the point. The point was that she tried to use it as a stepping stone to silence any & all criticism. And hence... the backlash she & G4 received for it. Based on everything she has said thus far... she is an extreme narcissist that just outright refuses to accept responsibility for any wrong doing. Because obviously all criticism directed at her must be because of sexism & not because she made a possibly inaccurate or false statement... right? Right?!

THIS Is Why Frosk Had A MELTDOWN On G4TV Fans | Called Them Sexist After Getting Basic Facts Wrong!

The only positive thing I will say about Frosk's rant is that it was not the sole reason for G4's downfall. The only thing it did was speed up the process as G4 had made way too many mistakes by that point.

You link to a pathetic source whining about culture issue bullshit only little man children care about. Really, anyone watching that stuff will get brain rot. It's hard to imagine lower forms of life than whoever that guy is.

But two things can be true: someone can invite valid criticism for saying something wrong, and that criticism can be misogynist.

See... most folks defending her did not even research anything behind what started Frosk's rant & just took her at her word. In a previous video... she made a comment about the videogames that seemed easily way off & ill informed at the time. To a point that several of her co-hosts tried to hint that she may just be off the mark. Naturally... the internet at large can & will, like clockwork, call game journalists out on their B.S. statements if they perceive them to be inaccurate or simply untrue (regardless of their gender). So... as expected... they did in the comments section. Instead of humbly taking the criticism & learning from it... or saying that she's only human & can make mistakes... she turned it into a gigantic issue about sexism. That anyone that criticized her statements was only doing it because they were sexist & misogynistic. So she basically strawmanned all her critics with the typical "sexism & misogyny" rant in a sad attempt to silence all criticism.

So whether the rant was 100% correct or not wasn't even the point. The point was that she tried to use it as a stepping stone to silence any & all criticism. And hence... the backlash she & G4 received for it. Based on everything she has said thus far... she is an extreme narcissist that just outright refuses to accept responsibility for any wrong doing. Because obviously all criticism directed at her must be because of sexism & not because she made a possibly inaccurate or false statement... right? Right?!

THIS Is Why Frosk Had A MELTDOWN On G4TV Fans | Called Them Sexist After Getting Basic Facts Wrong!

The only positive thing I will say about Frosk's rant is that it was not the sole reason for G4's downfall. The only thing it did was speed up the process as G4 had made way too many mistakes by that point.

The problem from the get go (that I noticed) is they totally forsaken the concept. G4 was about tech, pop culture news and information with skits and comedy in-between said info.They totally flipped the switch aside from xplay. Here they gave up trying to do any reviews, constant gaming, culture interviews and it was just one big pop culture comedy skit show after show. Rather then trying to take a unique or irreverent take on getting us geek or gaming news (again xplay aside) it was just a giant pop culture comedy channel.

They did listen to us and made fresh ink it's own show but by then I think the damage was done. And was too little at that point.

And while some of the shows or segments were good, that's not a sustainable model especially of you are calling yourself G4. I can watch the same kind of entertainment on YT or tiktok style media. I was into it for about 6 months but then mostly lost interest. Again I wanted news and reviews mixed in with the comedy not just mostly comedy. Once the first round of cuts were announced the writing was on the wall which was sadly predictable. I honestly thought however this would happen next year.

Lastly the comments Frosk made were fine. She was 100% correct about the sexism, misogyny and hate females suffer online, in gaming culture. And the kids who attacked her PROVED HER POINT. If you actually watch the segment she was attacking those people, NOT EVERYONE. However the ones she called out didn't like that so they put words in her mouth and changed the narrative to 'she hates all the fans'. If you are a sexist or attack women online then yes, otherwise her comments didn't apply to you. But that narrative does not work for them so they needed to change what she actually said. You people who attacked her are frankly pathetic and did nothing but prove her correct.

None the less sad it never found its footing it had potential just the people in charge had no idea what geek culture actually wanted. We certainly didn't need, want a 24/7 geek culture comedy show which is what most of G4 had become.