GeForce RTX 4090 Next Month

To the surprise of no one, NVIDIA finally announced its RTX 40-series GPUs at its event today. What may be a surprise is the power being promised, as the 4090 is said to offer 4X the performance of the 3090. Word is this will be available October 12th starting at $1599, and the GeForce RTX 4080 16GB and 12GB will follow in November. This post has the news, the NVIDIA Website has more details, and this trailer shows off the new cards. NVIDIA also announces DLSS 3 the next iteration of its accompanying technology that combines DLSS Super Resolution, all-new DLSS Frame Generation, and NVIDIA Reflex. The presentation included DLSS 3 videos showing off NVIDIA Racer RTX, Microsoft Flight Simulator, and Cyberpunk 2077. Here's word:
GeForce RTX 40 Series of GPUs support DLSS 3, an AI-powered performance multiplier that kicks off a new era of NVIDIA RTX neural rendering for games and applications. DLSS 3 builds on the company’s lead in AI-accelerated super-resolution techniques to deliver outstanding image quality and up to 4x the performance of brute-force rendering, plus the quick responsiveness that defines a comprehensive gaming experience.

Powered by new fourth-generation Tensor Cores and a new Optical Flow Accelerator on GeForce RTX 40 Series GPUs, DLSS 3 is the latest iteration of the company’s critically acclaimed Deep Learning Super Sampling technology and introduces a new capability called Optical Multi Frame Generation. Optical Multi Frame Generation generates entirely new frames, rather than just pixels, delivering astounding performance boosts. Because DLSS Frame Generation executes as a post-process on the GPU, it can boost frame rates even when the game is bottlenecked by the CPU.
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Sep 22, 2022, 04:31
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The Flying Penguin wrote on Sep 21, 2022, 21:29:
Interesting. JayzTwoCents points out that everyone is looking at the RAM on the the lower 4080 and not the CUDA cores. The 12 GB 4080 has 2000 less CUDA cores than the 16 GB 4080. That's a big difference. It's NOT the same card with less memory.

Technically that 12GB 4080 is m,ore like a 4070:
https://youtu.be/F7TRFK3lCOQ
Yes it's worse than I thought, I totally missed the fact that the core is not even the same card, it's stripped down. It's not a 4080 with 12 GB of RAM it's less than a 4080 calling itself a 4080.
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Slick wrote on Sep 21, 2022, 10:47:
That would make more sense. Although maybe they're talking about DSR super-resolution. If they are using DLSS 2.0 with additional frames, then that's wild. Either way you cut it, if the final displayed resolution is the same as native, then it's cooking up 500% extra pixels.

Yep, that's what they're saying in the announcement, the initial frame is created from a lower resolution one, and the next is completely AI derived, so of the displayed pixels in those two frames, 7/8ths of them are reconstructed.
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Sep 21, 2022, 21:53
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Sep 21, 2022, 21:53
 
The Flying Penguin wrote on Sep 21, 2022, 21:29:
Interesting. JayzTwoCents points out that everyone is looking at the RAM on the the lower 4080 and not the CUDA cores. The 12 GB 4080 has 2000 less CUDA cores than the 16 GB 4080. That's a big difference. It's NOT the same card with less memory.

Technically that 12GB 4080 is m,ore like a 4070:
https://youtu.be/F7TRFK3lCOQ
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Sep 21, 2022, 21:29
 
Interesting. JayzTwoCents points out that everyone is looking at the RAM on the the lower 4080 and not the CUDA cores. The 12 GB 4080 has 2000 less CUDA cores than the 16 GB 4080. That's a big difference. It's NOT the same card with less memory.

Technically that 12GB 4080 is m,ore like a 4070:
https://youtu.be/F7TRFK3lCOQ
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Sep 21, 2022, 16:59
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Re: GeForce RTX 4090 Next Month Sep 21, 2022, 16:59
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El Pit wrote on Sep 21, 2022, 09:47:
But then you will have to pay $2,200 for your real RTX 5080 in 2 years!

Nvidia be like: "3.14 times faster means 3.14 times pricier."

Tomshardware: "Just buy it."
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Razumen wrote on Sep 21, 2022, 01:13:
As far as I'm aware, each version of DLSS builds upon the next, it doesn't make sense for them to get rid of it when it still provides performance gains and the announcement itself says they still use "Super Resolution" as they call it. First it "upsamples" the first frame, and then using that frame and the previous one, it generates the next frame completely from prediction.

I'm pretty sure in that example that the CP2077 demo isn't running at native resolution with DLSS on: "In a pre-release version of Cyberpunk 2077’s new Ray Tracing: Overdrive mode, DLSS 3 enables DLSS Super Resolution, DLSS Frame Generation DLSS, and NVIDIA Reflex," So they basically threw everything at it to get those numbers. And unless I'm reading their announcement wrong, they are only generating every second frame purely from AI prediction. I wouldn't rely on FPS alone to determine how many frames are being AI generated as performance gains can come from other areas.

Though, this is all academic to me, a mere pleb who still uses a 1070ti.

That would make more sense. Although maybe they're talking about DSR super-resolution. If they are using DLSS 2.0 with additional frames, then that's wild. Either way you cut it, if the final displayed resolution is the same as native, then it's cooking up 500% extra pixels.
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The Flying Penguin wrote on Sep 21, 2022, 09:25:
Four times the performance of the 30 series is most likely utter hogwash. I'll believe it when I see it. Watch them pull some synthetic benchmark that they specifically tweaked the drivers for.

I'll wait for real 3rd party benchmarks.

Not that I'm in the market. I'm very happy with my RTX 3080. I can skip this generation.

But then you will have to pay $2,200 for your real RTX 5080 in 2 years!
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Slick wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 23:11:
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5:1 ratio on display here, 80% of the frames are synthetic and don't take any user input into account. Absolute madness. If this works, I'll be gobsmacked.

I am totally guessing here, but it may work the same way as the Time/Space Warp in some VR headsets.
They generate synthetic frames based on the last frame and the most recent position/orientation of the headset.
But in this case they would create the new frames based on the most recent mouse/controller position.
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Sep 21, 2022, 09:25
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Sep 21, 2022, 09:25
 
Four times the performance of the 30 series is most likely utter hogwash. I'll believe it when I see it. Watch them pull some synthetic benchmark that they specifically tweaked the drivers for.

I'll wait for real 3rd party benchmarks.

Not that I'm in the market. I'm very happy with my RTX 3080. I can skip this generation.
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Sep 21, 2022, 04:19
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GaianElite wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 23:09:
What games are coming out to push these cards? For that price, most certainly should wait until the next generation of consoles.

Well, the transition from past gen consoles to current gen has been an arduously long one by now for various reasons (CoVid, chip crisis, short supply of materials like substrates etc.). We still barely have any true "next gen" (or now current gen PS5/XSX) games.

But the next/current gen games are in the works and they will start releasing sooner or later. I'm mostly thinking about the huge slew of Unreal 5 engine games that are in the making. Unreal 5 games are not going to take it easy on the hardware.

Right now there may only be about a dozen games or so to push a RTX 4090 but that will change quite a bit since developers have started to embrace ray-tracing more and more and the implementation has gotten much easier thanks to updated engine versions. Ray-tracing is fully "baked" into UE5 and can be activated by any dev rather easily. The problem might be consoles holding them back but pushing a RTX 4090 would be easy if a dev pulls all the stops.

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Sep 21, 2022, 01:13
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Slick wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 23:11:
Well the definition of DLSS seems to be ever-evolving with this new version 3.0

My read of it says there's no more up/downsampling, it's rendering at the native resolution, and then synthesizing new frames. It's basically frame interpolation ie. soap-opera effect ie. auto motion plus ie. the bane of all television owners. Except for this time it's good?

Did anyone else notice that they showed off CP2077 running at 4k native with RT getting 21 FPS, then with DLSS 3.0 getting 105 FPS? That's insane right? We're talking 4 interpolated frames for every 1 "real" frame. Their optical prediction models must be pretty amazing to feature in their big revel demo, as any disconnect between real mouse movements and where your GPU thinks your mouse will be moving will be uncomfortable. Some quick napkin math says that every 5 frames there's 40 miliseconds that are generated out of thin air. That's a lot of "dead air" to improvise on.

5:1 ratio on display here, 80% of the frames are synthetic and don't take any user input into account. Absolute madness. If this works, I'll be gobsmacked.

As far as I'm aware, each version of DLSS builds upon the next, it doesn't make sense for them to get rid of it when it still provides performance gains and the announcement itself says they still use "Super Resolution" as they call it. First it "upsamples" the first frame, and then using that frame and the previous one, it generates the next frame completely from prediction.

I'm pretty sure in that example that the CP2077 demo isn't running at native resolution with DLSS on: "In a pre-release version of Cyberpunk 2077’s new Ray Tracing: Overdrive mode, DLSS 3 enables DLSS Super Resolution, DLSS Frame Generation DLSS, and NVIDIA Reflex," So they basically threw everything at it to get those numbers. And unless I'm reading their announcement wrong, they are only generating every second frame purely from AI prediction. I wouldn't rely on FPS alone to determine how many frames are being AI generated as performance gains can come from other areas.

Though, this is all academic to me, a mere pleb who still uses a 1070ti.
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Sep 21, 2022, 01:06
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At these prices and deceptive naming practices nvidia can go eat a dick.
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Sep 20, 2022, 23:42
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Sep 20, 2022, 23:42
 
1badmf wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 21:20:
bstar wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 20:59:
This whole launch oozes of hubris, especially after the Evga debacle. I really hope AMD's RDNA3 announcement hits Nvidia hard at the 4080 range of cards.

i'm betting the radeon 7900xt will be faster than the 4080 16gb and probably cost $1000. the sweet spot will be the 7800xt which will almost certainly be faster than that garbage ass 4080 12gb and probably msrp $700.
This is what I'm hoping for. AMD has an opportunity to embarrass the 4080 12gb and I hope they go for it. If not, I'll probably snag a 6900xt.
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Sep 20, 2022, 23:11
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Razumen wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 21:00:
VaranDragon wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 14:05:
Isn't DLSS a special kind of upscaled but downsampled image, I.E. it's basically a lower quality image, something that when supported allows titles to run ray tracing etc. Why would you even use DLSS if you had a 4090, I've got a 3090 and have always turned that shit off, since no video game has yet to tax my card to those limits.

Yes, it's an upscaled image using AI to reproduce lost detail, but the resulting image is often so close to native that it's usually unnoticeable, so it's basically extra performance for almost nothing. Plus it also does anti-aliasing quite well, so it's a 2 for one deal.

Well the definition of DLSS seems to be ever-evolving with this new version 3.0

My read of it says there's no more up/downsampling, it's rendering at the native resolution, and then synthesizing new frames. It's basically frame interpolation ie. soap-opera effect ie. auto motion plus ie. the bane of all television owners. Except for this time it's good?

Did anyone else notice that they showed off CP2077 running at 4k native with RT getting 21 FPS, then with DLSS 3.0 getting 105 FPS? That's insane right? We're talking 4 interpolated frames for every 1 "real" frame. Their optical prediction models must be pretty amazing to feature in their big revel demo, as any disconnect between real mouse movements and where your GPU thinks your mouse will be moving will be uncomfortable. Some quick napkin math says that every 5 frames there's 40 miliseconds that are generated out of thin air. That's a lot of "dead air" to improvise on.

5:1 ratio on display here, 80% of the frames are synthetic and don't take any user input into account. Absolute madness. If this works, I'll be gobsmacked.

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What games are coming out to push these cards? For that price, most certainly should wait until the next generation of consoles.
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Sep 20, 2022, 22:52
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bstar wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 20:59:
This whole launch oozes of hubris, especially after the Evga debacle. I really hope AMD's RDNA3 announcement hits Nvidia hard at the 4080 range of cards.

AMD will do the same thing they did with RDNA VS Turing and RDNA2 VS Ampere.

They will join them at similar prices and perf and laugh all the way to the bank.

There's no real competition in a duopoly like this, there's just price gouging.

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Sep 20, 2022, 21:20
 
bstar wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 20:59:
This whole launch oozes of hubris, especially after the Evga debacle. I really hope AMD's RDNA3 announcement hits Nvidia hard at the 4080 range of cards.

i'm betting the radeon 7900xt will be faster than the 4080 16gb and probably cost $1000. the sweet spot will be the 7800xt which will almost certainly be faster than that garbage ass 4080 12gb and probably msrp $700.
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VaranDragon wrote on Sep 20, 2022, 14:05:
Isn't DLSS a special kind of upscaled but downsampled image, I.E. it's basically a lower quality image, something that when supported allows titles to run ray tracing etc. Why would you even use DLSS if you had a 4090, I've got a 3090 and have always turned that shit off, since no video game has yet to tax my card to those limits.

Yes, it's an upscaled image using AI to reproduce lost detail, but the resulting image is often so close to native that it's usually unnoticeable, so it's basically extra performance for almost nothing. Plus it also does anti-aliasing quite well, so it's a 2 for one deal.
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This whole launch oozes of hubris, especially after the Evga debacle. I really hope AMD's RDNA3 announcement hits Nvidia hard at the 4080 range of cards.
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Sep 20, 2022, 20:26
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Again pure BS marketing.
I'll pass, too expensive, big perf gains only in special RT heavy (new games and versions) cases, all other raster games 4080~3090ti perf for almost the same money. They essentially asking us to fund they AI cores section of a chip from enterprise sector for gimmicks dlss 3.0 and new super heavy RT.
Its a perfect time for AMD to show good competing high end.
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