I'm 100% certain that EA will 100% screw this up.

Everyone loves surprise mechanics, amirite?!

What could go wrong? EA has a long track record of being an honest company with only gamer's best interests at heart, right? There programming prowess is also unequalled, so there is certainly no way this will totally bork peoples systems.

Plus, PS4 graphics! \o/

Devs: "Let's fuck with the kernel! Surely everything will be brilliant!"
Microsoft, bent over with their hands spreading their cheeks wide: "Like this, EA Daddy?"

The fact that they think a kernel level anti-cheat is not only valid but acceptable is disgusting. "Pew Pew: Let's Pretend We're Soldiers Part 357" doesn't need system level protection. It's a low priority userland application, FFS! If you're that worried about your MTX cash cow, run it in a locked container and use encrypted data and network comms.

Yes, I'm a cranky, old neckbeard about it.

Sigwolf wrote on Sep 13, 2022, 19:05:
What could go wrong?

Start the countdown for when someone mods their "AntiCheat" software and uses it to launch ransomware or some other PITA issue...

Anyway, just you wait; it will turn out that the only reason EA is doing this is because they don't want to pay for a license to a third-party (like Easy Anti-Cheat) for the functionality. I'd wager this move might even have been inspired by one or more of those third-parties trying to renegotiate their deal with EA.

It certainly won't result in more robust software since it will just be a side-operation for EA, whereas companies like Punkbuster or EasyCheat do nothing but work on the thing (and even they have problems getting it right). It's a penny-pinching move by EA's C-level execs, nothing more.

Sigwolf wrote on Sep 13, 2022, 19:05:
What could go wrong? EA has a long track record of being an honest company with only gamer's best interests at heart, right? There programming prowess is also unequalled, so there is certainly no way this will totally bork peoples systems.

I was going to comment but I think you said it all

Dev wrote on Sep 13, 2022, 20:46:

Sigwolf wrote on Sep 13, 2022, 19:05:
What could go wrong? EA has a long track record of being an honest company with only gamer's best interests at heart, right? There programming prowess is also unequalled, so there is certainly no way this will totally bork peoples systems.

I was going to comment but I think you said it all

Yep, that was well said.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Sep 13, 2022, 19:45:
Yes, I'm a cranky, old neckbeard about it.

Nah... you're a cranky, old neckburrito. ✌😄

Riot's anticheat they use for Valorant paved the way for this type of system. I have my doubts regarding EA's competence with regards to getting it right, but if they do it's clearly superior to third party anticheat systems.

I'd prefer that they just use a VM, Sandbox or UWP for the MP portion of their games as this would be infinitely less invasive for users. This would undoubtedly cost more money to develop and maintain so they're going the cheap/easy route.

Not gonna install anything that could risk compromising my daily driver, just to play any of their games.

So long EA….

This comment was edited on Sep 14, 2022, 09:09.

Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 13, 2022, 20:03:

Sigwolf wrote on Sep 13, 2022, 19:05:
What could go wrong?

Start the countdown for when someone mods their "AntiCheat" software and uses it to launch ransomware or some other PITA issue...

EA: "We are aware of the issue and are rolling out a patch over the next few months. We are sorry for the inconvenience that you may have faced, like having your bank account wiped out and identity stolen."

The_Pink_Tiger wrote on Sep 13, 2022, 20:20:
Anyway, just you wait; it will turn out that the only reason EA is doing this is because they don't want to pay for a license to a third-party (like Easy Anti-Cheat) for the functionality. I'd wager this move might even have been inspired by one or more of those third-parties trying to renegotiate their deal with EA.

It certainly won't result in more robust software since it will just be a side-operation for EA, whereas companies like Punkbuster or EasyCheat do nothing but work on the thing (and even they have problems getting it right). It's a penny-pinching move by EA's C-level execs, nothing more.

To be fair. Most companies in any industry look to reduce costs and not want to have to license everything.

Good to know, I'll stay clear of their games, not that I care for fifa anyway.
As if there wasn't enough problems with denuvo... it looks like it would really pay off to get cracked version, so they can only encourage it.

I'm just happy I've not really been interested in EA titles for over a decade.

I'm sure I've missed out on some super-amazing-can't-ever-live-without-it game, but they just haven't been able to make something I wanted. And this move just makes me even less likely to install Origin on any system I own.

Yeah I'm not a fan of this practice for many reasons but ultimately the most important one is that it's a videogame, there is no reason they need low level access like this. I would rather tolerate cheaters, seriously.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Sep 13, 2022, 19:45:
Devs: "Let's fuck with the kernel! Surely everything will be brilliant!"
Microsoft, bent over with their hands spreading their cheeks wide: "Like this, EA Daddy?"

The fact that they think a kernel level anti-cheat is not only valid but acceptable is disgusting. "Pew Pew: Let's Pretend We're Soldiers Part 357" doesn't need system level protection. It's a low priority userland application, FFS! If you're that worried about your MTX cash cow, run it in a locked container and use encrypted data and network comms.

Yes, I'm a cranky, old neckbeard about it.

Oh look, the guy who can barely install drivers is trying to tell people that a kernel level anti-cheat is neither valid nor acceptable. Hate to inform you, but this is literally the only thing comes remotely close to defeating cheaters and if you don't want to accept it then stop playing video games. Those of us who actually play online competitive games have been wanting this to become a standard for the last 3 years since they no longer do LAN outside of huge events.

I am not saying this will stop cheaters as I doubt anything ever will, but this is a step in the right direction to eradicate them. Sorry your privacy is so important that you'd rather have cheaters in every game than play the game, but most of aren't paranoid security asshats.

Ah yes, surely nothing will go horrifically wrong with this plan.

Hopefully EA posts a list of upcoming games that will use this, or any previously released games that you are going to add this to, so they can be avoided/uninstalled.

thestryker wrote on Sep 14, 2022, 01:17:
Riot's anticheat they use for Valorant paved the way for this type of system. I have my doubts regarding EA's competence with regards to getting it right, but if they do it's clearly superior to third party anticheat systems.

I'd prefer that they just use a VM, Sandbox or UWP for the MP portion of their games as this would be infinitely less invasive for users. This would undoubtedly cost more money to develop and maintain so they're going the cheap/easy route.

Wouldn't that affect performance?