I can't wait to see the shitshow that ensues when the first woman is arrested for attempting to leave her state to have an abortion elsewhere. Dunno if anyone saw Biden's statement on that yesterday but he says it's going to happen. Really? How much longer until secession talks begin for real? What's the point in calling it the "United" States anymore - not like that's ever been the case anyway. Or as our Latin friends call it - Estados Unidos - which sounds way better.

jdreyer wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 14:41:
Of course supporters of these laws will ask, Why did she tempt her father with that My Little Pony t-shirt? Why didn't she keep her legs closed?

They will say she didn't have enough religion. Changes to school curriculum to include more God and further removal of sex education will follow.

Here's what this ruling has wrought:
A 10 year old in Ohio raped by her father found out she was pregnant 6 weeks and 3 days after conception. OH trigger law that went into effect bans abortions after six weeks, no exceptions. Indiana's law has yet to take effect, so she's going there for the procedure.
Of course supporters of these laws will ask, Why did she tempt her father with that My Little Pony t-shirt? Why didn't she keep her legs closed?
The entire situation is horrific beyond words made worse by her state's laws.

WaltSee wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 09:31:
Surprising to see that some people think the voters in each state should not have the right to determine abortion laws in their states. That's nothing but democracy, with people's votes counting. Also, strange to see that some don't realize that many women in the states that ban abortion vote to ban surgical abortion--millions of women are involved here in seeing it banned in states. Even the dissenting votes in the SCOTUS decision agreed that there's no "right to abortion" (by any description) in the Constitution--that's been false for 50 years. There will be many states in which the voters will support and allow abortion. Doesn't get any more democratic than that. Overturning Roe didn't ban abortion anywhere. It leaves the issue up to the states, just where it was before the very poor Roe decision in '72. No more can surgical abortion be used as a political football by an incompetent Congress, and I think that's wonderful!

Changing the Constitution can be done, but not by the judicial branch, legally. The states have to align in order to change the Constitution, and Congress is involved, of course. The job of the SCOTUS, indeed, of the entire judicial branch is to enforce the laws that Congress enacts and to enforce the Constitution. But, as we all know, that hasn't been adhered to at times, usually with horrific results, so it's good to see the country returning to the path upon which it was founded, imo.

Walt is a great example of someone so full of cognitive dissonance that they think taking rights away from people is the same thing as giving rights to people. Imagine being THAT GUY who would straight face argue that it is better to take away an individual's right to choose and give that power to the state instead. I don't know whether to laugh out loud or feel genuinely sorry. I mean, how does one even start with someone so far gone already?

jdreyer wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 12:34:
True pro-lifers would also oppose the killing and eating of animals. Where's the outrage from the right for the millions of daily animal deaths? What about the death penalty? I tip my hat to those Catholics who at least have the consistency to oppose both. Jordan Klepper needs to do a bit on this. I guess the prolifers were being also with anti Covid measures: they prioritized the life of the virus over that of the host.

While waiting on Jordan there's Trae Crowder https://youtu.be/zIhYM_uoioo

WaltSee wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 09:31:
Surprising to see that some people think the voters in each state should not have the right to determine abortion laws in their states. That's nothing but democracy, with people's votes counting. Also, strange to see that some don't realize that many women in the states that ban abortion vote to ban surgical abortion--millions of women are involved here in seeing it banned in states. Even the dissenting votes in the SCOTUS decision agreed that there's no "right to abortion" (by any description) in the Constitution--that's been false for 50 years. There will be many states in which the voters will support and allow abortion. Doesn't get any more democratic than that. Overturning Roe didn't ban abortion anywhere. It leaves the issue up to the states, just where it was before the very poor Roe decision in '72. No more can surgical abortion be used as a political football by an incompetent Congress, and I think that's wonderful!

Changing the Constitution can be done, but not by the judicial branch, legally. The states have to align in order to change the Constitution, and Congress is involved, of course. The job of the SCOTUS, indeed, of the entire judicial branch is to enforce the laws that Congress enacts and to enforce the Constitution. But, as we all know, that hasn't been adhered to at times, usually with horrific results, so it's good to see the country returning to the path upon which it was founded, imo.

Can we also force the states that ban abortion to make sure these unwanted and uncared for children have to remain in the states of which they were forced to be conceived in?

We don't need these backwards hill-billy states being more of financial drain on the federal level because of their incompetency at governance.

gg hypocrisy, Walt. This from the people who always claim they want a party of small government that keeps its noses out of people's private business and bedrooms. Anyone that's pro-poverty, pro-war, pro-captial punishment, pro-theocracy, etc. is not pro-life they're anti-choice. In other words, you're the American Taliban.

RedEye9 wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 11:42:

Beamer wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 09:36:
I don't think I have the right to force fatherhood upon you and find it strange you think you do upon me.

scene opens
You’d seen her a couple times in the laundromat and one night at the honky tonk the keg beer took hold. You both decided to relieve some tension, knowing full well it was a one time thing.
Too drunk to notice the broken condom and having the misfortune of living in a state that had no conception of a woman's wellbeing, healthcare or gender equality…
fade to black

Unrealistic scenario. We're all too old to be drunk and hard.

True pro-lifers would also oppose the killing and eating of animals. Where's the outrage from the right for the millions of daily animal deaths? What about the death penalty? I tip my hat to those Catholics who at least have the consistency to oppose both. Jordan Klepper needs to do a bit on this. I guess the prolifers were being also with anti Covid measures: they prioritized the life of the virus over that of the host.

Beamer wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 09:36:
I don't think I have the right to force fatherhood upon you and find it strange you think you do upon me.

scene opens
You’d seen her a couple times in the laundromat and one night at the honky tonk the keg beer took hold. You both decided to relieve some tension, knowing full well it was a one time thing.
Too drunk to notice the broken condom and having the misfortune of living in a state that had no conception of a woman's wellbeing, healthcare or gender equality…
fade to black

WaltSee wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 09:31:
Surprising to see that some people think the voters in each state should not have the right to determine abortion laws in their states.

Would you be cool with a state law that puts men to death for masturbation? After all, you're committing genocide every time you masturbate. Each sperm is a person. Then there's the whole slavery thing but that doesn't come close to the evil of male masturbation.

WaltSee wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 09:31:
Surprising to see that some people think the voters in each state should not have the right to determine abortion laws in their states. That's nothing but democracy, with people's votes counting.

You don't get to use "democracy" to support oppression. With "democracy", a lot of southern states were perfectly ok with slavery, so I guess you would have been perfectly fine allowing that to continue, because, hey, it "doesn't get any more democratic than that".

Only the best far right copypasta. sigh

Women Will Die* if their healthcare is legislated by the states. But that’s cool with some. disgusting


*The Lancet

WaltSee wrote on Jul 2, 2022, 09:31:
Surprising to see that some people think the voters in each state should not have the right to determine abortion laws in their states.

We think the individual should. I am sorry that you hate individual freedoms and prefer draconian government abilities to dictate your medical and family decisions.

I don't think I have the right to force fatherhood upon you and find it strange you think you do upon me.

Weird that you hate individual freedoms, Walt, but that explains most of your weird posting here

Surprising to see that some people think the voters in each state should not have the right to determine abortion laws in their states. That's nothing but democracy, with people's votes counting. Also, strange to see that some don't realize that many women in the states that ban abortion vote to ban surgical abortion--millions of women are involved here in seeing it banned in states. Even the dissenting votes in the SCOTUS decision agreed that there's no "right to abortion" (by any description) in the Constitution--that's been false for 50 years. There will be many states in which the voters will support and allow abortion. Doesn't get any more democratic than that. Overturning Roe didn't ban abortion anywhere. It leaves the issue up to the states, just where it was before the very poor Roe decision in '72. No more can surgical abortion be used as a political football by an incompetent Congress, and I think that's wonderful!

Changing the Constitution can be done, but not by the judicial branch, legally. The states have to align in order to change the Constitution, and Congress is involved, of course. The job of the SCOTUS, indeed, of the entire judicial branch is to enforce the laws that Congress enacts and to enforce the Constitution. But, as we all know, that hasn't been adhered to at times, usually with horrific results, so it's good to see the country returning to the path upon which it was founded, imo.

What an awesome thing for Sega to do since the xtreme court rolled back the clock on women's rights.

Time to abort the hedgehog. Sega will get no more of my money.

That's awesome. This isn't just some strongly worded statement in support of human rights. They're actually putting their money where their mouth is. Good on them. I hope more companies do this.