Beamer wrote on Jun 20, 2022, 02:00:
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Trump went from positive to negative, denying even knowing what WikiLeaks was, even as it made a huge push to get in close.

Because even he know it was infected.

Simon doesn't care that it pushed the fraudulent election idea to try to preserve itself, as it also got close with Putin for the same

Trump is now an "it"?
Harsh ! but I love it -that use, never the sack of refuse- please, do go on.

Razumen wrote on Jun 19, 2022, 21:08:

RedEye9 wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 14:59:

jdreyer wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 14:58:
Trump offered him a pardon, unsure if the Dems would bother to get involved.

There's a big difference between offering a pardon and a payoff.
45's witch house claimed this about the offer, "It is a complete fabrication and a total lie."

If Trump wanted him extradited then, he would have. Yet it's under this administration that this is now happening. Denial is a helluva thing.

Trump went from positive to negative, denying even knowing what WikiLeaks was, even as it made a huge push to get in close.

Because even he know it was infected.

Simon doesn't care that it pushed the fraudulent election idea to try to preserve itself, as it also got close with Putin for the same

Razumen wrote on Jun 19, 2022, 21:08:

RedEye9 wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 14:59:

jdreyer wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 14:58:
Trump offered him a pardon, unsure if the Dems would bother to get involved.

There's a big difference between offering a pardon and a payoff.
45's witch house claimed this about the offer, "It is a complete fabrication and a total lie."

If Trump wanted him extradited then, he would have. Yet it's under this administration that this is now happening. Denial is a helluva thing.

Our governments stance hasn’t changed under either administration, or are you denying that. If so you’re right, denial is a hell of a thing.

RedEye9 wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 14:59:

jdreyer wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 14:58:
Trump offered him a pardon, unsure if the Dems would bother to get involved.

There's a big difference between offering a pardon and a payoff.
45's witch house claimed this about the offer, "It is a complete fabrication and a total lie."

If Trump wanted him extradited then, he would have. Yet it's under this administration that this is now happening. Denial is a helluva thing.

Simon Says wrote on Jun 19, 2022, 16:37:
Pretty sure you're conflating "defending" with simple fact checking

Except that going into a thread and going "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE US" isn't a fact check. It's just a plea to look over here instead of over there. A plea to talk about something else, instead of the thing we're talking about. You notice how you almost never get anyone defending US imperialism in here? Because you're preaching to the choir. Yet it's all you seem to want to talk about, handwaving anything to do with Russia as McCarthyism.

Hardline Mike wrote on Jun 19, 2022, 10:32:

As a Canadian, that completely baffles me.

Canadian? Pretty sure you've earned your Russian citizenship at this point with all the valiant defending you do of Russia in every thread concerning them.

( Lots of ) Citation needed.

Pretty sure you're conflating "defending" with simple fact checking that merely goes against Neo-McCarthyism and the war drums propaganda of the US Empire.

And no, I don't condone the Ukraine invasion. I condemn ALL OFFENSIVE ACTIONS ( as well as most free will infringing actions, discussion for another day ) including Russia's. Also including drone strikes, sponsored coup d'états / regime changes, proxy wars and "sanctions" who end up killing a LOT of poor people, 40k just in the last year in Venezuela last time I checked, a mere drop in the bucket of the insane amount of death the US Empire deals all over the world by its offensive actions and propping up and safeguarding of structural violence which alone kills about 18 million people every year. Communism with its ~1 million a year WAS ( keyword here ) an AMATEUR by comparison.

By that more complete factual metric, the US of ass's Empire is much more to blame for the world's woes than the inane indoctrinated Pavlovian regurgitation reflex of "MuH rUsSiA!".

What you call Russian citizenship is really a basic understanding of structuralism devoid of most of the typical taint of a US Empire indoctrinated mind and also devoid of the typical black & white logical fallacy where the interlocutor defends "the other side" of that sophistic illusion. I am neither pro Russia, nor pro US, nor pro China or pro "insert whatever boogeyman/country here".

My point of view is from the structuralist perspective, nothing more.

Such indirect "name calling" is once more merely evidence of the dark ages witch hunt spanish inquisition level sophistic thinking prevalent in most of the world.

Not surprising, not unexpected, merely counter-productive, and as a famous former president would say, "sad".

This comment was edited on Jun 19, 2022, 17:12.

Erf345_ wrote on Jun 19, 2022, 12:42:
Julian Assange: ORDERED by our american masters to be extradited, says UKofA home secretary.

Not surprising.
When the hoodlums are terrorizing the neighborhood you'll go out of your way to oblige your brawnier friends.

Erf345_ wrote on Jun 19, 2022, 12:42:
Julian Assange: ORDERED by our american masters to be extradited, says UKofA home secretary.

At least ya'll know which side we let you put the butter on.

Julian Assange: ORDERED by our american masters to be extradited, says UKofA home secretary.

Hardline Mike wrote on Jun 19, 2022, 10:32:

As a Canadian, that completely baffles me.

Canadian? Pretty sure you've earned your Russian citizenship at this point with all the valiant defending you do of Russia in every thread concerning them.

You have to praise the invasion of Ukraine to qualify for citizenship. Something some members of the Republican Party have gleefully done.

As a Canadian, that completely baffles me.

Canadian? Pretty sure you've earned your Russian citizenship at this point with all the valiant defending you do of Russia in every thread concerning them.

Beamer wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 19:19:
You always ignore the Russia connection .

they're just beholden to a worse dictator

Because there is none.

That's the "evidence"? A press outlet refuses to publish something?

So one jumps to the conclusion that they're Russian puppets?

A = B, so I guess that means A = Z right? Right? *sighs*

Why are people still indoctrinated into McCarthyite "logic", regurgitating their inane "arguments" almost a century later?
WHY?!?

As a Canadian, that completely baffles me.

#DarkAgesWitchHuntSpanishInquisitionLevelBullshit

1- "Mary skipped church this morning."
2- "You're right, and it's not the first time either, she disobeys God."
1- "You know what that means?"
2- "Yes..."

Both: "SHE'S A WITCH!"

A = B, so A = Z.

See how that sounds?

This comment was edited on Jun 18, 2022, 20:15.

Simon Says wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 19:07:

R.I.P. Free press.

F

And no, don't tell me CNN / Fox / MSNBC / whatever is free press.

IT'S OLIGARCH PRESS

They're all owned by Oligarchs pushing their agenda for their own interests.

How many times have Oligarch press been caught lying? We stopped counting.

How many times have Wikileaks been caught lying / disseminating false info? ZERO, yes, literally zero, all the claims of lies/disinfo were dismissed in court, every, single, one ( as of 2020 when I last checked, I may not be up to date ).

You always ignore the Russia connection .

they're just beholden to a worse dictator

R.I.P. Free press.

F

And no, don't tell me CNN / Fox / MSNBC / whatever is free press.

IT'S OLIGARCH PRESS

They're all owned by Oligarchs pushing their agenda for their own interests.

How many times have Oligarch press been caught lying? We stopped counting.

How many times have Wikileaks been caught lying / disseminating false info? ZERO, yes, literally zero, all the claims of lies/disinfo were dismissed in court, every, single, one ( as of 2020 when I last checked, I may not be up to date ).

Marvin T. Martian wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 15:38:
About time he gets whats coming.!!!

Yep, he has already been made an example, forfeiting his freedom 10 years ago, for a careless world.
Can you imagine how many dirty unlawful doings aren't reported the world over because of this practical lesson ?

Marvin T. Martian wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 15:38:
About time he gets whats coming.!!!

Being a literal hero deserves punishment these days? Holy fuck. Humanity is doomed.

About time he gets whats coming.!!!

jdreyer wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 14:58:
Trump offered him a pardon, unsure if the Dems would bother to get involved.

There's a big difference between offering a pardon and a payoff.
45's witch house claimed this about the offer, "It is a complete fabrication and a total lie."

Cutter wrote on Jun 18, 2022, 14:12:
If I were him I'd take my chances in the US while the Dems still control things. If he goes once the GOP have usurped the nation - again - he's screwed for sure. At least he might get a pardon from Biden as a fuck you to the GOP, if for no other reason.

Trump offered him a pardon, unsure if the Dems would bother to get involved.

If I were him I'd take my chances in the US while the Dems still control things. If he goes once the GOP have usurped the nation - again - he's screwed for sure. At least he might get a pardon from Biden as a fuck you to the GOP, if for no other reason.