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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 18, 2022, 04:01
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 18, 2022, 04:01
Jun 18, 2022, 04:01
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 17, 2022, 08:21:
Generally I find that fans of the movie repeat the same thing as has been repeated here. "It's satire!"

I got that the first time I saw it. How can anyone not get that? It hits you in the fucking face with a shovel over and over again while positively screaming "I'm satire!" Good satire is subtle and quick witted. Starship Troopers, the movie, is as subtle as your least favorite drunk, racist relative.

I have not said it was a bad movie on its own, only that it sucked in comparison to the book. No orbital drops in powered battle suits, no shoulder mounted atomic bomb launchers, among many other more sci-fi elements. Sure, there was Heinlein's polemic on politics but it wasn't particularly special if you'd read his other books as the same ideas were presented in varying degrees of detail.

But because of Verhoeven, we won't see adaptations of far better books like Friday or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress as the Heinlein Prize Trust (the trust that controls all of Heinlein's works) were mighty pissed and stated there would be no new licensing deals going forward.
Were the books really better though? Remember those bombs that rolled out a little flag that said, "Bang!" Bugs Bunny style?
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 17, 2022, 22:15
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 17, 2022, 22:15
Jun 17, 2022, 22:15
 
The "I stepped outside and twisted my ankle and will never leave the house again" thinking twerks my derriere.

Almost similar to, but not quite, people getting upset when a musician sells their catalog.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 17, 2022, 22:05
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 17, 2022, 22:05
Jun 17, 2022, 22:05
 
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 17, 2022, 19:30:
Who are they protecting it for. They could sell it to every tom dick and Harry and give the money to charity.
Are they going to keep it under lock and key for another 25 years.
Or better yet why don't they get a little bit smarter when they rent out the IP and attach a stipulation or nine.

In other words what are they waiting for.

Given that they are a trust of Robert and Virginia Heinlein, I would imagine they are protecting it for themselves as any legal entity that owns both real and non-corporeal assets would.

By that logic, anybody who owns anything of value should rent/sell their property and give the money to charity. That's more than a little ridiculous.

I don't know what the Heinlein Prize Trust plans to do as I am not a member of that trust. They seem to be making plenty of money with his works and they're pretty involved with providing funding for future commercial spaceflight.

It seems there was a Stranger in a Strange Land series in the works at SyFy in 2016 but SyFy is gonna SyFy so who knows what became of it.

So it doesn't appear that they are sitting on it, just being a lot more selective than previously.

Any further questions you could probably direct to them as I have no dog in the fight outside of Heinlein being my favorite sci-fi author.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 17, 2022, 19:30
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 17, 2022, 19:30
Jun 17, 2022, 19:30
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 17, 2022, 19:25:
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 17, 2022, 09:54:
But because of Verhoeven, we won't see adaptations of far better books like Friday or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress as the Heinlein Prize Trust (the trust that controls all of Heinlein's works) were mighty pissed and stated there would be no new licensing deals going forward.

Wah, because of something that happened 25 years ago we won’t blah blah blah.
That reeks of ignorance and sour grapes. Heinlein was an author, not jesus.
The trust must not know that a movie does not change the original work.
I’m glad no such group of prima donnas “protect” the Dune franchise.

It was shortly after the movie came out, I believe, and after Verhoeven stated he never bothered to read the book. I don't see that as sour grapes, per se, but a reaction to the director's attitude of "I'm gonna make a movie out of your IP but shit all over it because I hate Nazis and this movie is gonna be about Space Nazis." Also, there was The Puppet Masters which sucked mightily, too. So, I can see them wanting to protect their IP when their IP is the writings of one of the founders of modern science fiction as we know it.
Who are they protecting it for. They could sell it to every tom dick and Harry and give the money to charity.
Are they going to keep it under lock and key for another 25 years.
Or better yet why don't they get a little bit smarter when they rent out the IP and attach a stipulation or nine.

In other words what are they waiting for.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 17, 2022, 19:25
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 17, 2022, 19:25
Jun 17, 2022, 19:25
 
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 17, 2022, 09:54:
But because of Verhoeven, we won't see adaptations of far better books like Friday or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress as the Heinlein Prize Trust (the trust that controls all of Heinlein's works) were mighty pissed and stated there would be no new licensing deals going forward.

Wah, because of something that happened 25 years ago we won’t blah blah blah.
That reeks of ignorance and sour grapes. Heinlein was an author, not jesus.
The trust must not know that a movie does not change the original work.
I’m glad no such group of prima donnas “protect” the Dune franchise.

It was shortly after the movie came out, I believe, and after Verhoeven stated he never bothered to read the book. I don't see that as sour grapes, per se, but a reaction to the director's attitude of "I'm gonna make a movie out of your IP but shit all over it because I hate Nazis and this movie is gonna be about Space Nazis." Also, there was The Puppet Masters which sucked mightily, too. So, I can see them wanting to protect their IP when their IP is the writings of one of the founders of modern science fiction as we know it.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 17, 2022, 09:54
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 17, 2022, 09:54
Jun 17, 2022, 09:54
 
But because of Verhoeven, we won't see adaptations of far better books like Friday or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress as the Heinlein Prize Trust (the trust that controls all of Heinlein's works) were mighty pissed and stated there would be no new licensing deals going forward.

Wah, because of something that happened 25 years ago we won’t blah blah blah.
That reeks of ignorance and sour grapes. Heinlein was an author, not jesus.
The trust must not know that a movie does not change the original work.
I’m glad no such group of prima donnas “protect” the Dune franchise.
- At this point, Windows is the OS equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome. -
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 17, 2022, 08:21
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 17, 2022, 08:21
Jun 17, 2022, 08:21
 
Generally I find that fans of the movie repeat the same thing as has been repeated here. "It's satire!"

I got that the first time I saw it. How can anyone not get that? It hits you in the fucking face with a shovel over and over again while positively screaming "I'm satire!" Good satire is subtle and quick witted. Starship Troopers, the movie, is as subtle as your least favorite drunk, racist relative.

I have not said it was a bad movie on its own, only that it sucked in comparison to the book. No orbital drops in powered battle suits, no shoulder mounted atomic bomb launchers, among many other more sci-fi elements. Sure, there was Heinlein's polemic on politics but it wasn't particularly special if you'd read his other books as the same ideas were presented in varying degrees of detail.

But because of Verhoeven, we won't see adaptations of far better books like Friday or The Moon is a Harsh Mistress as the Heinlein Prize Trust (the trust that controls all of Heinlein's works) were mighty pissed and stated there would be no new licensing deals going forward.
"Just take a look around you, what do you see? Pain, suffering, and misery." -Black Sabbath, Killing Yourself to Live.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 17, 2022, 01:45
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 17, 2022, 01:45
Jun 17, 2022, 01:45
 
ST gets the honest trailers treatment.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 22:38
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 16, 2022, 22:38
Jun 16, 2022, 22:38
 
jdreyer wrote on Jun 16, 2022, 16:14:
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 16, 2022, 15:28:
Would you like to know more?

Unfortunately, the movie sucked compared to the book.

The book plays its ideology straight up, while WW2 survivor Verhoeven's movie is a Fascist satire. The movie is also campy fun full of terrible acting and great action, and the 90s special effects still hold up. Luv me some Rodger Young. And that Poledouris score is to die for.

the movie is better than people remember. most (including myself) misunderstood it at first, and i'm usually really good at seeing nuance and double meanings. in my defense i was only 20ish at the time =P i thought it was just straight up poorly made; only years later did i figure out that was intentionally done as part of the satire. also 20something denise richards oof.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 19:06
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 16, 2022, 19:06
Jun 16, 2022, 19:06
 
Blue wrote on Jun 16, 2022, 18:26:
Sorry for the error. Clearly I am not a Brain Bug.

Your mistakes are often fun because they're so rare. It's like seeing a car on the road that was once commonplace but is now rare enough to be a spectacle

Edit - did I really just say something rare is often fun?
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 18:26
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Jun 16, 2022, 18:26
 
Sorry for the error. Clearly I am not a Brain Bug.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 17:31
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Beamer wrote on Jun 16, 2022, 15:17:
Starship Turtles: Shredder's Command?
Teenage Mutant Troopers: Terran Revenge
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 16:37
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Jun 16, 2022, 16:37
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 16, 2022, 15:28:
Would you like to know more?

Unfortunately, the movie sucked compared to the book.

Compared to the book, sure. On it's own it is highly enjoyable.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 16:29
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Jun 16, 2022, 16:29
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Beamer wrote on Jun 16, 2022, 15:17:
Starship Turtles: Shredder's Command?
Starship Stormtroopers: Starfleet Command?
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 16:14
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews Jun 16, 2022, 16:14
Jun 16, 2022, 16:14
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jun 16, 2022, 15:28:
Would you like to know more?

Unfortunately, the movie sucked compared to the book.

The book plays its ideology straight up, while WW2 survivor Verhoeven's movie is a Fascist satire. The movie is also campy fun full of terrible acting and great action, and the 90s special effects still hold up. Luv me some Rodger Young. And that Poledouris score is to die for.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 15:38
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Jun 16, 2022, 15:38
 
Beamer wrote on Jun 16, 2022, 15:17:
Starship Turtles: Shredder's Command?
It's the mash-up we didn't know we needed: Donatello hunts bugs.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 15:28
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Jun 16, 2022, 15:28
 
Would you like to know more?

Unfortunately, the movie sucked compared to the book.
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 15:17
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Jun 16, 2022, 15:17
 
Starship Turtles: Shredder's Command?
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Re: Starship Troopers: Terran Command Reviews
Jun 16, 2022, 14:52
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Jun 16, 2022, 14:52
 
I haven't played Starship Troopers, but it looks really solid for $30 at least. If it was a typical $60, maybe it would deserve all the scrutiny, though.
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