ChaosEngine wrote on May 29, 2022, 23:12:
Why do people think carrying a gun will stop you getting shot? I genuinely do not get this logic.
If someone attacks me with a sword, I am going to have a much better chance of defending myself if I have my own sword.
But that doesn't work with a gun. Guns are not defensive weapons. If someone attacks me with a gun, especially someone with murderous intent, the only thing a gun can do is help me kill them first. That requires me to know that the person is a legit threat and to get a clear shot at them before they shoot me. If some nutjob wanders into a school, or an office, or whatever and starts shooting, me having a gun just doesn't seem like it would help. Frankly, I'd rather have a bulletproof vest.
And honestly, if I was your dad and I lived in a place where I genuinely felt more afraid than I had been in an actual warzone, I'd probably expend my energy trying to stop the "bad guys" getting guns so easily.
An observation I have noticed between the general population and those who have been in actual combat is that the general population instinctively assumes they are inherently safe. They're typically not observant of their surroundings, who is in it, and the behavior of others around them. In contrast, those I have known who have been in combat always have their heads on a swivel. Whether it is my dad, my uncle, or peers my age. They are always doing threat assessment. So you'll often see them perform actions that are not common in the general population.
be a defensive weapon. The average confrontation in homes occurs within 3-5 yards and the average shooter often misses their first shot and frequently their second shot (amalgamated from data from the LAPD and NYPD criminal and justifiable homicide reports 2015-2019). If we extrapolate that to offices, grocery stores, and schools which require an assailant to do a lot more traversal, your odds at successfully defending yourself increase. Are you going to go full Wyatt Earp on them? Damn, I hope not. Are you statistically more likely to survive if you are not the first contact? Yes. That's just the way the math works.
I want to be very clear that I do not want every dude and his dog armed. I wouldn't trust most people with a can opener let alone a lethal instrument. I also do not believe that a gun, in and of itself, is going to save you. I think using it as a force multiplier in combination with effective, long term training, familiarity, and rational thinking increases your chance of survival. However, without a gun, you can still increase your chance of survival by thinking rationally and remaining calm.
The problem with just saying "make guns harder to buy" is that, while on the surface, it makes sense (and on its own merit it does, don't get me wrong), it completely ignores the cultural, societal, and political reality of the United States. That cat has left the bag and had generations of descendants since then. There's too much entrenched power and money to make that change quickly or effectively. In a 100 years? Maybe. So you have to deal with the reality of today and make plans according to that, not what you wish might happen.
Change should happen, again let me be very clear about that. I wholeheartedly support more stringent gun control. However, I am also very cognizant of the situation as it exists today and I don't think it is unwise to plan for what is while still trying to change things for the better.
In the Before Times, we had 3-5 lockdowns every year on my campus between 2016-2019. Why? Gunman on campus. Not an active shooter, just someone with a gun on campus. That averages out to once a semester. That's the reality I deal with. When this would happen, I would message my wife and tell her "I'm going to be late, we're in lockdown." She immediately knew what I was referring to and her response was always "Just come home to me" then she'd damn near break my ribs when I got home because she was hugging me so tightly.
So you say "Burrito, that is severely fucked up." Yes, it is. But, again, that is the reality I faced prior to the pandemic and it is only getting worse in the general population. So, rationally, I can see why someone would choose to arm themselves even if previously they had not made the same choice.
This is not an emotional issue for me, in general. Should anyone think I have an emotional investment in firearms or the culture within the US, I do not. I just look at the numbers and what goes on in my government. Those are incontrovertible facts and getting emotional about them doesn't change them here and now.
"Just take a look around you, what do you see? Pain, suffering, and misery." -Black Sabbath, Killing Yourself to Live.