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May 27, 2022, 23:12
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Re: Games, Movies, and TV May 27, 2022, 23:12
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Bodolza wrote on May 27, 2022, 13:13:
And where's your proof that "everyone that is a fan of the game hates it" to quote you?

You can literally google and find countless examples, but I guess you're too lazy to do that.

Bodolza wrote on May 27, 2022, 13:13:
Which means you have seen people defending it, therefore by your own admission "everyone that is a fan of the game hates it" is wrong.

Nope, anyone defending it isn't a fan of the series. I've already said this, conveniently forgot that eh?

Bodolza wrote on May 27, 2022, 13:13:
This is patently false and disingenous. I can easily point you to people having actual discussion about the TV show

Okay, then do it. Oh wait, you can't, so that's why you didn't. LOL!

Nope, it's not false, it's the blatant truth, and constantly proven over and over by people like you who rage and froth over fans with real complaints, and don't even offer any real rebuttals, and instead just insult people. P

Well, that's par for the course for the target of shows like this I suppose. Enjoy your trash created by writers who never even looked at the source material.
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May 27, 2022, 13:13
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Razumen wrote on May 27, 2022, 00:58:
So you know a few people that like it, wow, congrats! You've discovered the useless world of ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.
And where's your proof that "everyone that is a fan of the game hates it" to quote you?

You can clearly see more people complaining about it online than defenders.
Which means you have seen people defending it, therefore by your own admission "everyone that is a fan of the game hates it" is wrong. Why can't you admit that you're wrong in saying all fans of the game hated the TV show? Are you just filled with blind rage over a TV show?

And defenders just say "BuT i LikE iT!"
This is patently false and disingenous. I can easily point you to people having actual discussion about the TV show, so I know you could also easily find them yourself. You want to "explain it like [I'm] 5" but you're the one using extreme hyperbole and overexageration like a child. If you want to have a serious conversation like an adult, then I'm happy to do so. Let me know if you're interested in having a real discussion about the TV show, and I'll be happy to discuss specifics about what I thought worked and didn't work. Otherwise, I'm not interested in wasting more time on someone acting like a petulant child.

>Many of the plot points are the same.
Ah yes, I remember in the games where Chief walks around naked and has sex with a covenant spy. Such respect!!
You do understand the difference between "many" and "all", right? Words matter when you're communicating online.
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May 27, 2022, 02:50
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May 27, 2022, 02:50
 
I think a Max Payne movie could have been something special. All they had to do was stick to the games story, dark mood and major action set pieces.

I always thought Robert Rodriguez's noirish Sin City direction - combined with a touch of Ang Lee's Hulk comics-panel effects - could have made a more accurate adaption than the crap we ended up with.
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Re: Games, Movies, and TV
May 27, 2022, 00:58
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May 27, 2022, 00:58
 
Bodolza wrote on May 26, 2022, 18:07:
Razumen wrote on May 26, 2022, 04:04:
Prove it. Basically every fan I've heard from thinks it is shit.
Ok. I've played several of the games, and mostly enjoyed them, and I didn't think it was "shit". I've spoken to friends who are huge fans of the games (one was a pro Halo 2 player), and they've also enjoyed the show. In some cases, more than I did, since I didn't think the Kwan Ha storyline worked. There, I proved it. Now admit you were wrong.

Anyone that does not respect the source material, by definition CANNOT make a good adaptation.
It's just your opinion that it did not respect the source material. Their are plenty of examples of them following the source material. The vehicles were recreated almost exactly. Some of the Covenant are almost exact copies of the game versions. Many of the plot points are the same. They also tried to make a compelling narative with character development. The production showed a lot of thought and energy went into its making, which shows real respect for the property.

So you know a few people that like it, wow, congrats! You've discovered the useless world of ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE. I'll explain like you're 5: That's not most fans. You can clearly see more people complaining about it online than defenders. And defenders just say "BuT i LikE iT!"

Like them, you didn't even offer any reasons why, or even rebuttals.

And no, it's not just my opinion, the criticisms are countless and everywhere. Just because they made some of the aliens and ships kind of accurate isn't proof they respected the source. Using that as an example, along with "character development" just shows you don't understand the games yourself.

>Many of the plot points are the same.

Ah yes, I remember in the games where Chief walks around naked and has sex with a covenant spy. Such respect!!
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Re: Games, Movies, and TV
May 26, 2022, 18:07
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May 26, 2022, 18:07
 
Razumen wrote on May 26, 2022, 04:04:
Prove it. Basically every fan I've heard from thinks it is shit.
Ok. I've played several of the games, and mostly enjoyed them, and I didn't think it was "shit". I've spoken to friends who are huge fans of the games (one was a pro Halo 2 player), and they've also enjoyed the show. In some cases, more than I did, since I didn't think the Kwan Ha storyline worked. There, I proved it. Now admit you were wrong.

Anyone that does not respect the source material, by definition CANNOT make a good adaptation.
It's just your opinion that it did not respect the source material. Their are plenty of examples of them following the source material. The vehicles were recreated almost exactly. Some of the Covenant are almost exact copies of the game versions. Many of the plot points are the same. They also tried to make a compelling narative with character development. The production showed a lot of thought and energy went into its making, which shows real respect for the property.
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May 26, 2022, 12:18
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Re: Games, Movies, and TV May 26, 2022, 12:18
May 26, 2022, 12:18
 
Razumen wrote on May 26, 2022, 04:04:

Anyone that does not respect the source material, by definition CANNOT make a good adaptation.

So you dislike Verhoeven's Starship Troopers?
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May 26, 2022, 04:04
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Re: Games, Movies, and TV May 26, 2022, 04:04
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Bodolza wrote on May 26, 2022, 00:56:
Razumen wrote on May 25, 2022, 21:13:
When everyone that is a fan of the game hates it, it IS a failed adaptation

Many fans of the game did not hate it. Your basic premise is flawed. Many other people are capable of understanding that an "adaptation" is not a recreation.

Prove it. Basically every fan I've heard from thinks it is shit. And they have good reasons too.
Going "durr people like show so show not bad!" is not an indicator to its quality.

"Many other people are capable of understanding that an "adaptation" is not a recreation."

No one expected it to be exactly like the games with no changes, that's a blatant strawman and misdirection in order to undermine people's valid criticisms of the show.

Anyone that does not respect the source material, by definition CANNOT make a good adaptation.
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May 26, 2022, 03:41
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Re: Games, Movies, and TV May 26, 2022, 03:41
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Nullity wrote on May 25, 2022, 13:34:
Came to says basically what Simon already has. I mean, the showrunner has proudly boasted that they never even looked at the game or other source material.

I mean, in what possible universe can you create a decent adaptation when you're willfully ignorant of the source?

That doesn't sound like ignorance to me.

That sounds more like contempt.

Like the attitude the Last Jedi director took towards the Star Wars source material.
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May 26, 2022, 02:57
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May 26, 2022, 02:57
 
I enjoyed the show quite a bit but I can't rate it in terms of how well it was adapted. I don't know anything about Halo lore/story other than that meme about Halo being a pretty cool guy who kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything. I only ever played multiplayer. That said, I find that video games are typically stronger in world building than they are in narratives. The narrative is typically shaped by the strengths and limitations of an interactive medium. Many compromises are made for the sake of gameplay, budget, accommodating player choice etc.

So I don't really prefer or even look for a "faithful" adaptation of a video game in the same way I do a book.
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May 26, 2022, 00:56
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Razumen wrote on May 25, 2022, 21:13:
When everyone that is a fan of the game hates it, it IS a failed adaptation

Many fans of the game did not hate it. Your basic premise is flawed. Many other people are capable of understanding that an "adaptation" is not a recreation.
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May 25, 2022, 21:13
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Bodolza wrote on May 25, 2022, 14:14:
Except it wasn't a failed adaptation. Plenty of people liked it, and it's renewed for a second season. The author even admits so in the very first paragraph.

When everyone that is a fan of the game hates it, it IS a failed adaptation. Many shitty shows have been renewed for two seasons or more.

You'd think more people here would be aware of the fallacy of popularity...
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May 25, 2022, 19:45
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May 25, 2022, 19:45
 
Aside from that very (very) annoying teenage girl, the Halo show wasn't half bad. Then again, I didn't think that the Halo games were all that fantastic when it came to the plotlines and the characters seemed pretty generic so I was never beholden to them or thought that those games were a high standard for storytelling.
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May 25, 2022, 17:08
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May 25, 2022, 17:08
 
Master Chief and Gordon Freeman are silent protagonists and designed that way on purpose.
As for Halo, I thought it would suck after watching the pilot but instead I ended up looking forward to each new episode.
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May 25, 2022, 16:59
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soundeffects wrote on May 25, 2022, 16:34:
The problem I have with the show is only that it doesn't feel authentic. The reason for that is an essential difference in storytelling mediums. In the games the main character is pretty hollow, and that's on purpose, it allows the player to lose themselves in the game easier if they don't have to compete with a strong personality.

In the show, you have to answer a ton of questions about who the protagonist is, questions that the game doesn't have to address.

Yep, this is the crux of the problem. Master Chief is one of gaming's iconic "characters" but if any of us were asked to describe who he is as a person, probably the best we could offer is "stoic" or "laconic". He's not really a "character" in any meaningful sense: he's a 3D model with a cool suit of armor who fights a bunch of dudes, which invites players to imagine that they're the one inside that cool suit of armor fighting all those dudes. That works fine for a game, but in dramatic media you need an identifiable personality, who has goals you sympathize and root for, whose equilibrium state has been disrupted by some sort of problem or conflict, and who, over the course of a series of incidents, has to reconcile who they are and what they want with what is achievable given the problem or conflict that has disrupted their status quo, and which must be resolved before equilibrium can be restored. That's what drama is. And literally none of that, aside from abstract wartime conflict provided by the game's setting, is in the source material. So an adaptation is either going to need to ditch Master Chief as the protagonist, or, invent a bunch of stuff whole cloth that may or may not cohere with how players of the game felt when battling the Covenant. Unsurprisingly, neither course is going to feel very satisfying to anyone who feels a connection to the source material.
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May 25, 2022, 16:34
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Scottish Martial Arts wrote on May 25, 2022, 13:37:
What part of video game lore isn't made up?

As disingenuous as this question is, it does prompt another question: what makes something authentic?

The problem I have with the show is only that it doesn't feel authentic. The reason for that is an essential difference in storytelling mediums. In the games the main character is pretty hollow, and that's on purpose, it allows the player to lose themselves in the game easier if they don't have to compete with a strong personality.

In the show, you have to answer a ton of questions about who the protagonist is, questions that the game doesn't have to address. The show has to try to make the lore and plot consistent with how this new, non-playable, character would act and react. This makes the show seem disconnected from the games in a way that is hard to reconcile.

In essence, it doesn't feel authentic because I'm not the star of the show.
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May 25, 2022, 16:25
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Simon Says wrote on May 25, 2022, 14:35:
Scottish Martial Arts wrote on May 25, 2022, 13:37:
Simon Says wrote on May 25, 2022, 13:12:
The reason it's a bad adaptation isn't because it came from a videogame lore, it's because they mostly ignored said lore and tried to tack on made up shit onto it that just doesn't fit with the vibe of the games.

What part of video game lore isn't made up?

Keywords: "that just doesn't fit"

Fair, but what I was objecting to is the idea that if it's in the game, it has some implied "holy text containing revealed truth" status. It's all made up, and what's introduced for an adaptation is no less valid, provided it works dramatically. TV and film are drastically different mediums from video games. Generally speaking, video games barely have characterization and plot and theme by the standards of literary and dramatic media. If you "just do what's in the game", what results is going to be a long series of repetitive action sequences punctuated by brief exchanges of flatly delivered dialogue in which barely identifiable people explain why the next series of repetitive action scenes have to happen. Maybe someone, somewhere would enjoy that, but it wouldn't be much of a show. I haven't watched the Halo show, and don't intend to, so I have no idea what they added or whether or not it works, but to be frank I don't think you could sustain 8 to 10 hours of television off of what was in the games.
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May 25, 2022, 16:05
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May 25, 2022, 16:05
 
I'm enjoying Halo show for what it is. I was very disappointed when it became an Xbox exclusive. I tried playing the on the rails shooter but meh. I hope that they make more seasons.
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May 25, 2022, 15:23
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I like it, but then I['m not familiar with the games - I only ever played one HALO game - and the lore. The only thing that sucked about the show was the extraneous crap with his pirate buddy and annoying little girl. Just keep the focus on the big picture. I'd prefer to see more about the Covenant and their motivations and points of view instead.

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May 25, 2022, 14:35
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Scottish Martial Arts wrote on May 25, 2022, 13:37:
Simon Says wrote on May 25, 2022, 13:12:
The reason it's a bad adaptation isn't because it came from a videogame lore, it's because they mostly ignored said lore and tried to tack on made up shit onto it that just doesn't fit with the vibe of the games.

What part of video game lore isn't made up?

Keywords: "that just doesn't fit"
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May 25, 2022, 14:28
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May 25, 2022, 14:28
 
We want Master Cheeks Season 2!
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