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May 23, 2022, 13:13
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Re: On Sale May 23, 2022, 13:13
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VaranDragon wrote on May 23, 2022, 04:51:
A sucker is born every minute. I mean seriously, it's still a tech demo, not even close to a finished game and it probably never will be. Who are these people and why are they literally throwing away their money?

They are the same people who think crypto-bro currency is an investment
And from what we can see, there is plenty of money and not a lot of IQ around
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May 23, 2022, 13:05
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WannaLogAlready wrote on May 22, 2022, 15:20:
"There's a Star Citizen born every minute"
"There's a Whale born every minute" 🙂
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May 23, 2022, 13:05
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Hardline Mike wrote on May 22, 2022, 14:49:
Selling out of "ships" that don't exist within minutes.
I think they do this for in-game balance reasons. But it seems rather stupid*, considering the price itself should be the "balance."

*To be clear, selling ships, in general, is stupid.
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May 23, 2022, 12:10
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jacobvandy wrote on May 23, 2022, 11:30:
fujiJuice wrote on May 23, 2022, 08:52:
No matter how efficient, that all adds unnecessary overhead to development and the actual running of the game. I doubt you will ever see everything you just described. There is no point. It can be done easier and cheaper just using a row in a database and it is the same exact outcome.

"No matter how efficient?" I guess that's why so many games use P2P networking these days, or lose their online functionality after X number of years... Servers are 100% free and businesses never re-evaluate how new tech can help them save money. Rolleyes

I never mentioned the words server, networking or money. I was talking about a development time and execution speed.

There is simply no advantage for anyone. The scenario you describe sounds like a nightmare land to me.

Edit: I did mention money, sorry. However that all adds to the burden of the developer to bury everything in an NFT.
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fujiJuice wrote on May 23, 2022, 08:52:
No matter how efficient, that all adds unnecessary overhead to development and the actual running of the game. I doubt you will ever see everything you just described. There is no point. It can be done easier and cheaper just using a row in a database and it is the same exact outcome.

"No matter how efficient?" I guess that's why so many games use P2P networking these days, or lose their online functionality after X number of years... Servers are 100% free and businesses never re-evaluate how new tech can help them save money. Rolleyes
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May 23, 2022, 11:20
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NFTs won't hit game ownership. They won't move cross storefront. The biggest cost to the storefront is bandwidth, so why would Valve let you download games you bought from Epic? They have to pay for you to download the game, and deal with any customer service issues related to that, but they don't make a dime off of it.

It happens for certain circumstances, but won't be a widespread thing. There's zero incentive for the storefronts.
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May 23, 2022, 08:52
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jacobvandy wrote on May 23, 2022, 06:12:
fujiJuice wrote on May 23, 2022, 00:08:
Fleche wrote on May 22, 2022, 21:36:
eRe4s3r wrote on May 22, 2022, 18:37:
This is making me real sour on the entire thing, as I will never support NFTs in any shape or form in gaming.

Gaming is one of the best use cases for NFTs. An NFT that shows I own a game (or any software) is far superior to product keys and being stuck in Steam or Epic. The dev wins too because you can put in the contract how much the creator gets on the resale market.

Far more useful than a $1000 Gif but not as sexy to the fast profit crowd.

But how and why? I see all these claims but I do not see any evidence of value derived from the NFT contract over other methods. In fact quite the opposite.

I dunno about game ownership just yet, but as far as items within an average game's economy, apparently the tech is quickly approaching efficient enough that it's soon going to be cheaper for them to handle it that way than to upkeep the centralized server(s). Even if they have no intention of allowing you any sort of ownership or control, it would be like a subsystem of the game engine that turns your PC or console into a node in their private decentralized network that helps keep track and facilitate transfers of everything, from the in-game currency and loot drops you get from killing an enemy to mounts and cosmetics and consumables you buy from the cash shop. Everything will be an NFT even if that fact is not outwardly visible to the player, let alone benefiting them directly. If it benefits the publisher, and it will, they're definitely gonna utilize it.

No matter how efficient, that all adds unnecessary overhead to development and the actual running of the game. I doubt you will ever see everything you just described. There is no point. It can be done easier and cheaper just using a row in a database and it is the same exact outcome.
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May 23, 2022, 06:32
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Jim wrote on May 22, 2022, 17:30:
I am guessing at some point they will convert all these ships into NFTs, so you can buy these stupid things and trade them which will give them a real value.

With the NFT market crashing and down like 95% from highs, not sure about that...
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May 23, 2022, 06:12
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fujiJuice wrote on May 23, 2022, 00:08:
Fleche wrote on May 22, 2022, 21:36:
eRe4s3r wrote on May 22, 2022, 18:37:
This is making me real sour on the entire thing, as I will never support NFTs in any shape or form in gaming.

Gaming is one of the best use cases for NFTs. An NFT that shows I own a game (or any software) is far superior to product keys and being stuck in Steam or Epic. The dev wins too because you can put in the contract how much the creator gets on the resale market.

Far more useful than a $1000 Gif but not as sexy to the fast profit crowd.

But how and why? I see all these claims but I do not see any evidence of value derived from the NFT contract over other methods. In fact quite the opposite.

I dunno about game ownership just yet, but as far as items within an average game's economy, apparently the tech is quickly approaching efficient enough that it's soon going to be cheaper for them to handle it that way than to upkeep the centralized server(s). Even if they have no intention of allowing you any sort of ownership or control, it would be like a subsystem of the game engine that turns your PC or console into a node in their private decentralized network that helps keep track and facilitate transfers of everything, from the in-game currency and loot drops you get from killing an enemy to mounts and cosmetics and consumables you buy from the cash shop. Everything will be an NFT even if that fact is not outwardly visible to the player, let alone benefiting them directly. If it benefits the publisher, and it will, they're definitely gonna utilize it.
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Re: On Sale
May 23, 2022, 04:51
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A sucker is born every minute. I mean seriously, it's still a tech demo, not even close to a finished game and it probably never will be. Who are these people and why are they literally throwing away their money?
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May 23, 2022, 04:26
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Paragon of Virtue wrote on May 23, 2022, 03:26:
This has to be some money-laundering scheme... Right?

Not sure how it would be. I think the only laundering going on here is the dumbass gamers getting taken to the cleaners.
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May 23, 2022, 03:26
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This has to be some money-laundering scheme... Right?
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Fleche wrote on May 22, 2022, 21:36:
Gaming is one of the best use cases for NFTs. An NFT that shows I own a game (or any software) is far superior to product keys and being stuck in Steam or Epic. The dev wins too because you can put in the contract how much the creator gets on the resale market.

Far more useful than a $1000 Gif but not as sexy to the fast profit crowd.

1) Having your product key bound to one service or another isn't really a big deal and it's something PC gamers in particular have had as the norm for close to 15 years now.


2) The resale market isn't exactly a boon for developers, since in the current system they get the sale of a game rather than whatever someone tosses them in the process of a resale. The value of new games sort of tanks, too, since you can immediately look to a directly competing resale market for cheaper copies of any game in that system. There's not a lot of incentive to buy new with a digital game in that scenario since there's no degradation of quality for that sort of used product. This is probably why, to my knowledge at least, no gaming companies are really talking about games being sold as NFT's like you mention; they're only talking about selling them with NFT's incorporated into them. It's just DLC on steroids, with great incentive for publishers or game companies and none for their customers.

A $1000 NFT GIF is capable of turning a quick buck because of its scarcity. There's no scenario where you have, or even want that, with a video game.
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May 23, 2022, 00:29
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If anyone has 45 minutes this video is a great rundown of why NFTs are not really great for that purpose.
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May 23, 2022, 00:08
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Fleche wrote on May 22, 2022, 21:36:
eRe4s3r wrote on May 22, 2022, 18:37:
This is making me real sour on the entire thing, as I will never support NFTs in any shape or form in gaming.

Gaming is one of the best use cases for NFTs. An NFT that shows I own a game (or any software) is far superior to product keys and being stuck in Steam or Epic. The dev wins too because you can put in the contract how much the creator gets on the resale market.

Far more useful than a $1000 Gif but not as sexy to the fast profit crowd.

But how and why? I see all these claims but I do not see any evidence of value derived from the NFT contract over other methods. In fact quite the opposite.

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May 22, 2022, 23:24
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Hardline Mike wrote on May 22, 2022, 14:49:
Selling out of "ships" that don't exist within minutes.

Fucking idiots!! With no brains!
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May 22, 2022, 21:36
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eRe4s3r wrote on May 22, 2022, 18:37:


This is making me real sour on the entire thing, as I will never support NFTs in any shape or form in gaming.

Gaming is one of the best use cases for NFTs. An NFT that shows I own a game (or any software) is far superior to product keys and being stuck in Steam or Epic. The dev wins too because you can put in the contract how much the creator gets on the resale market.

Far more useful than a $1000 Gif but not as sexy to the fast profit crowd.
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May 22, 2022, 21:25
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Avus wrote on May 22, 2022, 14:55:
these are the grandfather of NFT...

They should BE NFTs.
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May 22, 2022, 18:53
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May 22, 2022, 18:53
 
I actually just downloaded SC after it had not graced my SSD for the last 2 or 3 years. Unfortunately I just got repeated errors when trying to jump into the Persistent Universe. Balls. Tried to play a game of Star Marine, couldn't find a match, repeatedly sent back to menu. Literally couldn't play the damn game. Ho hum... maybe I'll try again in another few years, although it will suck anyway because there's not much you can do with a mere starter ship.
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May 22, 2022, 18:37
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Hardline Mike wrote on May 22, 2022, 17:21:
yonder wrote on May 22, 2022, 17:13:
Hardline Mike wrote on May 22, 2022, 14:49:
Selling out of "ships" that don't exist within minutes.
Videogames should truly only sell things that actually physically exist

These don't even digitally exist.

Sounds like crypto-bro dreams to me......
Also holy shit, it's literally NFTs at this point

This is making me real sour on the entire thing, as I will never support NFTs in any shape or form in gaming.
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