Activision Discusses Diversity Tool [May 14, 2022, 12:19 pm ET] – Share – Viewing Comments
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post from Activision Blizzard reveals details about King's Diversity Space
Tool, which is used to help create more diverse characters for video games. This
doesn't sound like it should be as hard as all that, but the post describes
pretty complex technology for the process: "In 2016, King began developing a
method for guarding against unconscious bias and exclusion when it came to the
creation of their games and characters. At the time, this idea existed as an
intangible philosophy, but the potential was obvious." An additional explanation
has been added to the top of the post after it drew some backlash. This explains
that the tool is used as a starting point, but it is not being used in
isolation:
The objective of using the tool is to uncover unconscious bias by identifying existing norms in representation and acknowledging opportunities for growth in inclusion. It is not a substitute for any other essential effort by our teams in this regard, nor will it alter our company’s diversity hiring goals. Over the past several years, the development of the tool was done with the support of all our employee DE&I networks, and we collaborated with external partners to create an even more robust tool.
The tool isn’t meant to be used in isolation; teams would sit down with company DE&I staff to identify existing norms and then discuss, educate, consult, and collaborate on how a character’s representation is expressed beyond those norms. This process is intended to create a conversation where our developers, assisted by the tool, challenge assumptions, assess choices, and find opportunities for authentic representation to be fostered in our games.
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Razumen wrote on May 16, 2022, 02:52:ForgedReality wrote on May 15, 2022, 14:27:
you do realize that liberals are not progressives, right? Like, at all.
Not even close to being true: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whats-the-difference-betw_b_9140
You linked to a 17 year old article that largely boils down to there being a fundamental difference and that progressives are probably liberals but not necessarily the other way
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ForgedReality wrote on May 15, 2022, 14:27:
you do realize that liberals are not progressives, right? Like, at all.
Not even close to being true: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whats-the-difference-betw_b_9140
Cutter wrote on May 14, 2022, 20:27:Aside from everything else wrong in this statement which others have pointed out, you do realize that liberals are not progressives, right? Like, at all. Traitor Sinema calls herself a liberal. She's also a lying corporatist scumbag piece of shit. I'd never align myself with the term "liberal".
What's wrong with bias? I'm biased against serial rapists and child molesters. And of course liberals believe we shouldn't be, much less have prisons to keep criminals in.
King's Diversity Space Tool: a quota by any other name would smell as rotten.
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Hardline Mike wrote on May 14, 2022, 21:04:Cutter wrote on May 14, 2022, 20:27:
What's wrong with bias? I'm biased against serial rapists and child molesters. And of course liberals believe we shouldn't be, much less have prisons to keep criminals in.
What the fuck? How did rapists and child molesters come into this discussion? Last I checked diversity initiatives weren't really interested in including "sex offenders" under the umbrella of diversity.
Heh he went off in several directions there, but I think the starting point is DEI talks a lot about bias, but then aren't going to listen when start up a discussion that they obviously have anti white male bias. The vast majority of the time the bias of fanservice isn't going to line up with the bias of DEI.
Just the usual buzzword bingo trying to push "inclusion" with no reasonable definition and "authentic" representation in games that never were meant to be realistic.
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Cutter wrote on May 14, 2022, 20:27:
What's wrong with bias? I'm biased against serial rapists and child molesters. And of course liberals believe we shouldn't be, much less have prisons to keep criminals in.
What the fuck? How did rapists and child molesters come into this discussion? Last I checked diversity initiatives weren't really interested in including "sex offenders" under the umbrella of diversity.
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Cutter wrote on May 14, 2022, 20:27:
What's wrong with bias? I'm biased against serial rapists and child molesters. And of course liberals believe we shouldn't be, much less have prisons to keep criminals in.
Uh. Do you ever understand anything, or do you just assume you're the only intelligent person as you understand everything completely incorrectly?
Is there anyone at home in there? I'd love to see what the world looks like in your eyes. It's like when a live action show goes into the head of a character and it's all puppets.
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What's wrong with bias? I'm biased against serial rapists and child molesters. And of course liberals believe we shouldn't be, much less have prisons to keep criminals in.
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theglaze wrote on May 14, 2022, 13:48:
Act/Bliz has since removed the accompanying picture that showcased the system, and edited the original post, because of backlash from the community over this tool... that was created to prevent backlash from the community
"... that was created to prevent backlash from the screeching idiots that wither and die in a pool of personal insecurities if they aren't protected from said insecurities in countless of safe spaces and safe spaces within safe spaces."
Fixed that for you. That's hardly "the community". The community doesn't give a shit. They just want good games. 🤷
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Hardline Mike wrote on May 14, 2022, 18:52:milspecmonkey wrote on May 14, 2022, 16:11:
Perhaps money would be better spent on a "Is this game fun?" division rather than anything to do with DEI.
I think they already have QA and game testers and stuff for that. Though it's ActiBlizz so they probably aren't very good at their jobs.
Oh I don't doubt, problem is they just use QA for bugs, then wait till beta testing to actually listen to anyone's fun opinion, then higher ups declare ooops too late to change anything. Of course a whole other side story where commonly game design fun gets sidelined by "but will this also squeeze out more money from players?"
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milspecmonkey wrote on May 14, 2022, 16:11:
Perhaps money would be better spent on a "Is this game fun?" division rather than anything to do with DEI.
I think they already have QA and game testers and stuff for that. Though it's ActiBlizz so they probably aren't very good at their jobs.
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I look forward to see DIE DIE.
Perhaps money would be better spent on a "Is this game fun?" division rather than anything to do with DEI.
"teams would sit down with company DE&I staff to identify existing norms and then discuss, educate, consult, and collaborate on how a character’s representation is expressed beyond those norms."
That is literally a struggle session.
"teams would sit down with company DE&I staff to identify existing norms and then discuss, educate, consult, and collaborate on how a character’s representation is expressed beyond those norms."
That is literally a struggle session.
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GaianElite wrote on May 14, 2022, 13:12:If you go find the (now archived) screenshots, you'd see that the baseline is an American adult athletic white heterosexual male in their 20s.The tool isn’t meant to be used in isolation; teams would sit down with company DE&I staff to identify existing norms and then discuss, educate, consult, and collaborate on how a character’s representation is expressed beyond those norms.
What is considered an existing norm? Is the definition more so a judgement of what is true or what is tolerated?
As a whole, the tool reeks of something thought up by an executive trying to measure inclusivity/diversity to fill out an excel sheet so they can show their bosses, the investors and whatever government agency is investigating them how good they are at being inclusive and diverse. Instead it comes off as some 4chan parody of what SJWs are like.
Act/Bliz has since removed the accompanying picture that showcased the system, and edited the original post, because of backlash from the community over this tool... that was created to prevent backlash from the community
GaianElite wrote on May 14, 2022, 13:12:
On seeing the self, I think I saw a study that says if you use certain skins/palettes it actually effects your playmaking ability in game.
Hyper-realism™
But seriously I would be curious to see what game that would matter unless it was an actual visibility problem.
The tool isn’t meant to be used in isolation; teams would sit down with company DE&I staff to identify existing norms and then discuss, educate, consult, and collaborate on how a character’s representation is expressed beyond those norms.
What is considered an existing norm? Is the definition more so a judgement of what is true or what is tolerated?
We want to see ourselves represented in games, we want the barriers to access lowered, and we want games to be a welcoming environment for all.On seeing the self, I think I saw a study that says if you use certain skins/palettes it actually effects your playmaking ability in game. Dress good feel good ya know? If they want to lower barriers to access, maybe cut down on the cost? If you want it to be welcoming, make better tutorials.
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