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Re: Biz Buzz
May 10, 2022, 11:52
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Re: Biz Buzz May 10, 2022, 11:52
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RedEye9 wrote on May 10, 2022, 10:22:
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“The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision,” Alito wrote.
That there is no mention of the procedure in a four-thousand-word document crafted by fifty-five men in 1787 seems to be a surprise to Samuel Alito.
As it happens, there is also nothing at all in that document, which sets out fundamental law, about pregnancy, uteruses, vaginas, fetuses, placentas, menstrual blood, breasts, or breast milk. There is nothing in that document about women at all. Most consequentially, there is nothing in that document—or in the circumstances under which it was written—that suggests its authors imagined women as part of the political community embraced by the phrase “We the People.” There were no women among the delegates to the Constitutional Convention. There were no women among the hundreds of people who participated in ratifying conventions in the states. There were no women judges. There were no women legislators. At the time, women could neither hold office nor run for office, and, except in New Jersey, and then only fleetingly, women could not vote. Legally, most women did not exist as persons.
You forgot: #ConstitutionalOriginalists

I wonder if this would have been an issue if the ERA had passed.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 10, 2022, 10:22
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Re: Biz Buzz May 10, 2022, 10:22
May 10, 2022, 10:22
 
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“The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision,” Alito wrote.
That there is no mention of the procedure in a four-thousand-word document crafted by fifty-five men in 1787 seems to be a surprise to Samuel Alito.
As it happens, there is also nothing at all in that document, which sets out fundamental law, about pregnancy, uteruses, vaginas, fetuses, placentas, menstrual blood, breasts, or breast milk. There is nothing in that document about women at all. Most consequentially, there is nothing in that document—or in the circumstances under which it was written—that suggests its authors imagined women as part of the political community embraced by the phrase “We the People.” There were no women among the delegates to the Constitutional Convention. There were no women among the hundreds of people who participated in ratifying conventions in the states. There were no women judges. There were no women legislators. At the time, women could neither hold office nor run for office, and, except in New Jersey, and then only fleetingly, women could not vote. Legally, most women did not exist as persons.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 10, 2022, 02:39
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Re: Biz Buzz May 10, 2022, 02:39
May 10, 2022, 02:39
 
Quboid wrote on May 9, 2022, 16:42:
How many of the supreme court justices were appointed by a president with a full mandate, i.e. who won the popular vote? What would the court be if the American presidential vote was actually properly implemented so the president, and the supreme court, actually represented the American people?

That would make it an actual democracy, instead of eh....the great thing you got going on today... Duh!
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 17:17
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 17:17
May 9, 2022, 17:17
 
Dude, I respect the hell out of you. It's really cool to hear that.

I didn't mean to derail the discussion; I just wanted to give some insight why I was being pretty dispassionate on what is normally a very emotional subject.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 17:12
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 17:12
May 9, 2022, 17:12
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Prez wrote on May 9, 2022, 17:04:
Mr. Tact wrote on May 9, 2022, 16:55:
Not pretty? Try non-existent, at least in some locations.

Well, yeah. I live in Tennessee, surrounded by some of the most religious conservatives in the nation. I know what will result from this ruling. Beyond the inevitable laws, there will be challenges, protests, activism, etc. Scotus may yet have another part to play. I'm probably going to die sooner rather than later, so if I am looking at this a little too clinically, I'll take that hit.

Oh wow, I am sorry to hear that. I don't always agree with you, but I have and always have had massive respect for you and your views. You're one of the people on here whose opinions I find most interesting to read, and I hope you're around here and around in general for as long as possible.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 17:04
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Mr. Tact wrote on May 9, 2022, 16:55:
Not pretty? Try non-existent, at least in some locations.

Well, yeah. I live in Tennessee, surrounded by some of the most religious conservatives in the nation. I know what will result from this ruling. Beyond the inevitable laws, there will be challenges, protests, activism, etc. Scotus may yet have another part to play. I'm probably going to die sooner rather than later, so if I am looking at this a little too clinically, I'll take that hit.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 16:55
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 16:55
May 9, 2022, 16:55
 
Not pretty? Try non-existent, at least in some locations.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 16:53
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 16:53
May 9, 2022, 16:53
 
Mr. Tact wrote on May 9, 2022, 16:45:
Prez wrote on May 9, 2022, 16:39:
What I was refuting is that this suddenly makes abortion illegal, which it doesn't.
Perhaps not directly, but it effectively will in some states almost immediately. Several states have laws on the books which kick in if Roe is overturned, more will pass laws right after it happens.

Again, that is a fight that has been a long time coming. I want the rights of the women and their children respected in reasonably proportional regards. In our current mess, that's not going to be pretty.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 16:45
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 16:45
May 9, 2022, 16:45
 
Prez wrote on May 9, 2022, 16:39:
What I was refuting is that this suddenly makes abortion illegal, which it doesn't.
Perhaps not directly, but it effectively will in some states almost immediately. Several states have laws on the books which kick in if Roe is overturned, more will pass laws right after it happens.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 16:42
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 16:42
May 9, 2022, 16:42
 Quboid
 
How many of the supreme court justices were appointed by a president with a full mandate, i.e. who won the popular vote? What would the court be if the American presidential vote was actually properly implemented so the president, and the supreme court, actually represented the American people?
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 16:39
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 16:39
May 9, 2022, 16:39
 
I agree, which is why I stated it. What I was refuting is that this suddenly makes abortion illegal, which it doesn't. Given the backwards thinking of the state legislators here in the midsouth, I can only imagine the bible-thumping morons in state congresses around here having some major wood for this ruling. I won't agree with the laws passed that make abortion illegal, but I do agree with this ruling.
Anyyone who has strong opinions about this topic, which has been divisive for decades, had to know this fight was a long time coming.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 16:36
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Mr. Tact wrote on May 9, 2022, 16:31:
Actually, saying it needs to be left to the legislators is exactly what the court is saying. And it isn't five people doing it, it is the 62.9 million people who voted for DJT (nearly 3 million less than voted for HRC). Well them and the 52 GOP senators who prevented an O'bama nominee and rushed through a third Trump nominee. This is effectively Mitch McConnell's legacy and I guarantee you he is proud of it.
Those members of the disgraced Supreme Court who support this were all either 45 or Bush appointees. There’s only one party to blame for this fiasco.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 16:31
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 16:31
May 9, 2022, 16:31
 
Actually, saying it needs to be left to the legislators is exactly what the court is saying. And it isn't five people doing it, it is the 62.9 million people who voted for DJT (nearly 3 million less than voted for HRC). Well them and the 54/52 GOP senators who prevented an O'bama nominee and rushed through a third Trump nominee. This is effectively Mitch McConnell's legacy and I guarantee you he is proud of it.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 16:19
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 16:19
May 9, 2022, 16:19
 
I mean that a right needs to be secured by a law, not a flimsy pair of court rulings from decades ago. It's bullshit that abortion rights have been protected by a ruling whose precedent can be overturned by 5 people in a country of over 300 million. SCOTUS will not secure abortion rights the way the they finalized marriage rights for all people. It needs to be left to legislators. If laws are passed that we do not like, then work to change them. Backwards legislators exist everywhere, voting on stupid shit all the time.

And that article is wrong. There is no constitutional protection for abortion rights. There never was, and considering the Constitution is only 20 pages long, it's pretty easy to verify.

EDIT: And if anyone disagrees with the constitutional protection based on their own interpretation or the past interpretation of some constitutional scholar, that's fine. It's okay that we disagree. I am not going to debate it with you however.

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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 10:44
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Wilhuf wrote on May 8, 2022, 17:16:
Republicans wont stop at destroying the Constitutional right to choose.

Birth control's next.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 9, 2022, 05:50
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Re: Biz Buzz May 9, 2022, 05:50
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Prez wrote on May 8, 2022, 23:48:
I really wish people would stop misrepresenting the meaning of this ruling that is apparently coming.
What do you mean by that.
I really wish women had the same rights as men and autonomy over their own bodies.

More than half of US states will outlaw abortion immediately or as soon as practicable, if a leaked draft decision from five supreme court justices remains substantially unchanged.
26 states in US will ban abortion if supreme court ruling stands
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 8, 2022, 23:50
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It's mostly a retrograde religious thing (though judaism doesn't consider the early unborns as alive persons).
The american Taliban, Evangelists and Christians, imposing their beliefs into law for everyone.

And always in the most uncharitable, inhuman and tellingly, un-Christian way possible (paid delation in Florida or the jailed woman denounced by a nurse for the money, abortion then proved natural, but had to pass that trauma behind bars and far from her family support).

Force the birth then cruelly abandon child, mother and family to hardship and a life of work slavery.
How many are single mothers barely supporting themselves or outcast from their family because of their indiscrete sin.

Only possible with the greedy Republicans, ready to do anything at all that gives them power with their base, up to killing them like with the covid open eyed mishandling.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 8, 2022, 23:48
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I really wish people would stop misrepresenting the meaning of this ruling that is apparently coming.
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Re: Biz Buzz
May 8, 2022, 23:17
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ZandarKoad wrote on May 8, 2022, 20:40:
Is pregnancy equivalent to a disease?

Yes, to a point, because it is a parasitic growth within the body that causes stress to the human body and can carry with it other, more serious illness.
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