Xero wrote on Apr 7, 2022, 09:25:
Man, the original Max Payne brings back some good memories. I remember watching the technology demo for it and it said something like, welcome to photo realistic graphics. I mean, they weren't entirely wrong, lol. They literally took photos and slapped them onto textures of various things including the Max, who looked like he had a constant look of constipation. I had to work a summer job washing cars at my school to get enough money saved up to buy it on release day. Good times.

One of the best mods for Max Payne was a Kung Fu mod that added stuff like staff fighting, kicks and more ways to dodge attacks. Was hard AF but hella fun.

Wesp5 wrote on Apr 7, 2022, 11:00:

Dev wrote on Apr 7, 2022, 08:42:
Valve should do something like this, farm out some games since it takes them 10 or 15 years.

They already did: Modders remade Half-Life for them in the Source engine and called it Black Mesa :)! Anything else from them is in Source already and I can't really see much difference between Source and Source 2...

Well that blows the idea of getting it done faster than 10 or 15 years out of the water.

Dev wrote on Apr 7, 2022, 08:42:
Valve should do something like this, farm out some games since it takes them 10 or 15 years.

They already did: Modders remade Half-Life for them in the Source engine and called it Black Mesa :)! Anything else from them is in Source already and I can't really see much difference between Source and Source 2...

Man, the original Max Payne brings back some good memories. I remember watching the technology demo for it and it said something like, welcome to photo realistic graphics. I mean, they weren't entirely wrong, lol. They literally took photos and slapped them onto textures of various things including the Max, who looked like he had a constant look of constipation. I had to work a summer job washing cars at my school to get enough money saved up to buy it on release day. Good times.

Max Payne 2 I recall kind of just dropped where I wasn't entirely excited for it but once it came out, I got it and beat it. Was a nice touch to include the physics with it because it definitely improved the quality of downing the baddies in slow motion.

I would love to go through them again with updated technology. Since they're mostly shooters in 3rd person, control scheme shouldn't be a problem even for today.

FrostyRei wrote on Apr 7, 2022, 01:27:
Total remakes, from the bottom up, yes. Cosmetic changes only, no. I recently bought the Ass Creed Ezio Collection, and quit after some hours: too clunky controls, and looks too dated. It isn't worth it if it isn't fully modernised.

It's an AAA budget so it's enough to get a total remake.

Valve should do something like this, farm out some games since it takes them 10 or 15 years.

SMITE wrote on Apr 7, 2022, 01:32:
First two games still strike me as the best examples of slow/mo Matrix-style gunplay ever made (You could put F.E.A.R. into that category but it isn't third person). The "hard-boiled" noir-ish dialogue was ridiculously overdone but still had its charm.

*Game Nerd Powermode Enabled*

Wasn't Chaser the first FPS that introduced slow-mo?

I dont have a good feeling about this remake. Not a good track record with price or delivery.

Life knows two miseries; getting what you don't want and not getting what you want.

The Northlight engine worked great for Control, and certainly looked great as well. Plus the funky stuff they pulled off in that engine is a perfect fit for Max Payne as well. Asking them to switch to UE5 just for "muh grafix" makes no sense as they'd have to redo their whole pipeline.

Besides, games like Elden Ring prove that you don't need the best graphics to sell amazingly well.

Razumen wrote on Apr 7, 2022, 01:58:

Beamer wrote on Apr 7, 2022, 00:18:

Razumen wrote on Apr 6, 2022, 23:14:

Cutter wrote on Apr 6, 2022, 21:16:
Unless it's being built completely new in UE5 I have zero interest in these.

What exactly does UE5 bring to a Max Payne title that it's so necessary?

And these games are so old, that any modern engine would be a HUGE increase in fidelity. Fussing over a single generation seems rather...irrelevant.

For most, I don't think these games are competing with the originals, but with other modern games.

UE4 games aren't magically going to dissapear. Nor are other engines.

Again what does UE5 bring to a Max Payne title that is just so necessary that it not being on it is valid reason to completely dismiss it?

First, it's Cutter. He endlessly says stupid things that draw lines in the sand. The world better conform to him, otherwise it's terrible.

Second, I didn't say other games go away, but the point isn't just a huge increase in fidelity. For games over 20 years old, that's easy. Putting it on the Quake 4 engine would be an increase in fidelity. But I don't think that would draw people away from more modern games.

Max Payne 2 is nestled comfortably somewhere in my Top 10 list of best games ever. That game was quite literally perfect, imo; a 10 out of 10. I hope Remedy changes nothing except the graphics with regards to Max Payne 2. Maybe Max Payne 1 needs more than just that.

Good news to set the tone for this rainy and stormy Thursday.

The painkillers ease the pain....

Beamer wrote on Apr 7, 2022, 00:18:

Razumen wrote on Apr 6, 2022, 23:14:

Cutter wrote on Apr 6, 2022, 21:16:
Unless it's being built completely new in UE5 I have zero interest in these.

What exactly does UE5 bring to a Max Payne title that it's so necessary?

And these games are so old, that any modern engine would be a HUGE increase in fidelity. Fussing over a single generation seems rather...irrelevant.

For most, I don't think these games are competing with the originals, but with other modern games.

UE4 games aren't magically going to dissapear. Nor are other engines.

Again what does UE5 bring to a Max Payne title that is just so necessary that it not being on it is valid reason to completely dismiss it?

First two games still strike me as the best examples of slow/mo Matrix-style gunplay ever made (You could put F.E.A.R. into that category but it isn't third person). The "hard-boiled" noir-ish dialogue was ridiculously overdone but still had its charm.

The third game was ... awful. Cutscenes every five seconds. Like you couldn't even open a door in-game--EVERY time you went to open a door, they had to show you a cutscene of you opening the damn door. Really fucked up the gameplay and any sense of momentum. It had none of the charm of the originals and just felt like it was from some other game series entirely. The Godfather III of games. If the remakes can keep the style and substance of the originals, I'll play 'em again for sure. (Visible bullet holes in the enemies would make a nice improvement, as the lack of same always bugged me a little).

Total remakes, from the bottom up, yes. Cosmetic changes only, no. I recently bought the Ass Creed Ezio Collection, and quit after some hours: too clunky controls, and looks too dated. It isn't worth it if it isn't fully modernised.

Razumen wrote on Apr 6, 2022, 23:14:

Cutter wrote on Apr 6, 2022, 21:16:
Unless it's being built completely new in UE5 I have zero interest in these.

What exactly does UE5 bring to a Max Payne title that it's so necessary?

And these games are so old, that any modern engine would be a HUGE increase in fidelity. Fussing over a single generation seems rather...irrelevant.

For most, I don't think these games are competing with the originals, but with other modern games.

I haven't played the originals in at least 10 years. I am down for a remake/remaster/whatever.

Cutter wrote on Apr 6, 2022, 21:16:
Unless it's being built completely new in UE5 I have zero interest in these.

What exactly does UE5 bring to a Max Payne title that it's so necessary?

And these games are so old, that any modern engine would be a HUGE increase in fidelity. Fussing over a single generation seems rather...irrelevant.

jacobvandy wrote on Apr 6, 2022, 22:17:
Max Payne 3 was a commercial disappointment for Rockstar, so I'm sure they believe it's not worth making a new one to please whatever small following the franchise still has. But remakes are way easier, especially when they can farm it out to a third party and not share any profits unless or until their costs are recouped... If you want to see new Max Payne, you better help Remedy prove he can still sell by buying this when it's out. I'll be there for the graphics alone, that Control engine is a beaut.

Because it had none of the unique noir elements that made Max Payne so great. And it wasn't made by Remedy. I remember it as generic 3rd person shooter something something...

So disappointing...

I'm really happy to hear about remakes for MP 1 and 2.

I'm excited but R* and Max have taught me to be maudlin.
"I wander off into the rain soaked streets, looking for the sweet serenity or madness enducing effect of a shot of Valkyr. It was a crap shoot. Either way it didn't matter. I had nothing left to lose..."

Max Payne 3 was a commercial disappointment for Rockstar, so I'm sure they believe it's not worth making a new one to please whatever small following the franchise still has. But remakes are way easier, especially when they can farm it out to a third party and not share any profits unless or until their costs are recouped... If you want to see new Max Payne, you better help Remedy prove he can still sell by buying this when it's out. I'll be there for the graphics alone, that Control engine is a beaut.