Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce

Epic Games tweets that it too is suspending commerce with Russia following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Word is communication tools will continue to operate:
Epic is stopping commerce with Russia in our games in response to its invasion of Ukraine. We’re not blocking access for the same reason other communication tools remain online: the free world should keep all lines of dialogue open.
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 8, 2022, 17:54
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 8, 2022, 17:54
Mar 8, 2022, 17:54
 
jdreyer wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 19:51:
eRe4s3r wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 09:35:
WebSoldier wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 08:57:
Sorry to burst your China can steal Taiwan legally bubble but what your speaking about is Hong Kong, NOT Taiwan. UK has never owned or been afflicted with Taiwan in the history of mankind, they owned Hong Kong at one point but not Taiwan.

Yeah, no idea why my Taiwan search turned me to a Hong-Kong result. I blame my caffeine lacking brain or alternatively google.

What result about Taiwan is even the correct one? I think my google search is borked.
Chinese malware infection?
No, just me being more stupid than usual and really not noticing that it shifted me over to some other search term because I clicked on those answer popup things in the results.
I searched for China + Taiwan + Contract and obviously that was an issue for google thinking I meant China + Hong-Kong + contract
And I flat out did not notice they were talking about HongKong in the answer thing...
I basically tricked myself by entering a search term that was about HongKong despite saying Taiwan because I was already making that confusion at the start.
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 8, 2022, 01:13
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 8, 2022, 01:13
Mar 8, 2022, 01:13
 
jdreyer wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 18:14:
The Half Elf wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 16:22:
As someone else mentioned.... do we really think Putin is buying games or the games being bought in Russia are supporting the military?
I'm sure the Russian military is buying Call of Duty to train its soldiers. At least looking at their performance in battle.

I've heard their training budgets are slashed and the military is like 30% conscripts. Not sure how true it us. I've seen many videos on YouTube of captured soldiers saying they're teachers, drivers, etc. Im guessing the soldiers in Ukraine are there because Putin thought it'd be easier than it's turning out to be.
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 19:51
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 7, 2022, 19:51
Mar 7, 2022, 19:51
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 09:35:
WebSoldier wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 08:57:
Sorry to burst your China can steal Taiwan legally bubble but what your speaking about is Hong Kong, NOT Taiwan. UK has never owned or been afflicted with Taiwan in the history of mankind, they owned Hong Kong at one point but not Taiwan.

Yeah, no idea why my Taiwan search turned me to a Hong-Kong result. I blame my caffeine lacking brain or alternatively google.

What result about Taiwan is even the correct one? I think my google search is borked.
Chinese malware infection?
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Slava Ukraini!
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 13:02
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 7, 2022, 13:02
Mar 7, 2022, 13:02
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 09:35:
What result about Taiwan is even the correct one? I think my google search is borked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y18-07g39g
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 09:35
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 7, 2022, 09:35
Mar 7, 2022, 09:35
 
WebSoldier wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 08:57:
Sorry to burst your China can steal Taiwan legally bubble but what your speaking about is Hong Kong, NOT Taiwan. UK has never owned or been afflicted with Taiwan in the history of mankind, they owned Hong Kong at one point but not Taiwan.

Yeah, no idea why my Taiwan search turned me to a Hong-Kong result. I blame my caffeine lacking brain or alternatively google.

What result about Taiwan is even the correct one? I think my google search is borked.
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 08:57
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 7, 2022, 08:57
Mar 7, 2022, 08:57
 
Sorry to burst your China can steal Taiwan legally bubble but what your speaking about is Hong Kong, NOT Taiwan. UK has never owned or been afflicted with Taiwan in the history of mankind, they owned Hong Kong at one point but not Taiwan.
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 08:31
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 7, 2022, 08:31
Mar 7, 2022, 08:31
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 07:27:
Jim wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 01:42:
If the west just rolled over and allowed the takeover with no consequences, like they did with crimea, then yeah, I suppose taiwan would be next. And if that happens, it will be very interesting times.

Lots of misinformed people here. Taiwan isn't even in the same dimension as what Russia illegally did to Ukraine.

China legally obtains Taiwan anyway
On December 19, 1984, after years of negotiations, British and Chinese leaders signed a formal pact approving the 1997 turnover of the colony in exchange for the formulation of a “one country, two systems” policy by China's communist government. This was given a 25 years transfer period.

With this agreement Taiwan loses colony status and becomes Chinese automatically by the end of this year.

Hardly a hostile take-over, and if you wanted to sanction someone, maybe try the UK? Who signed this deal and legally owned Taiwan.
There isn't even a question that Taiwan is Chinese by 2023.

And don't misunderstand here, I don't think this is how that should have been handled.. but it is how it is. And like many things, we can blame the UK since this formulation is super vague... and China can interpret it nearly freely. Which it obviously will do.

I think you're confusing Taiwan with Hong Kong
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 07:27
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 7, 2022, 07:27
Mar 7, 2022, 07:27
 
Jim wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 01:42:
If the west just rolled over and allowed the takeover with no consequences, like they did with crimea, then yeah, I suppose taiwan would be next. And if that happens, it will be very interesting times.

Lots of misinformed people here. Taiwan isn't even in the same dimension as what Russia illegally did to Ukraine.

China legally obtains Taiwan anyway
On December 19, 1984, after years of negotiations, British and Chinese leaders signed a formal pact approving the 1997 turnover of the colony in exchange for the formulation of a “one country, two systems” policy by China's communist government. This was given a 25 years transfer period.

With this agreement Taiwan loses colony status and becomes Chinese automatically by the end of this year.

Hardly a hostile take-over, and if you wanted to sanction someone, maybe try the UK? Who signed this deal and legally owned Taiwan.
There isn't even a question that Taiwan is Chinese by 2023.

And don't misunderstand here, I don't think this is how that should have been handled.. but it is how it is. And like many things, we can blame the UK since this formulation is super vague... and China can interpret it nearly freely. Which it obviously will do.


Edit. So yeah, I should probably look up what I am posting about before I post it.. whoopsy.

This comment was edited on Mar 7, 2022, 12:23.
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 04:26
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 7, 2022, 04:26
Mar 7, 2022, 04:26
 
jdreyer wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 01:58:
Dreagon wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 19:12:
jdreyer wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 18:14:
The Half Elf wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 16:22:
As someone else mentioned.... do we really think Putin is buying games or the games being bought in Russia are supporting the military?
I'm sure the Russian military is buying Call of Duty to train its soldiers. At least looking at their performance in battle.
Apparently a more logistics focused game would have suited their needs better...
Sooo... Euro Truck Simulator?
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Actually XCOM 1 (remake) would be better suited. locations, training, gear, etc, would be more suitable. Or taking people who never played WoW and taking them on some Classic Dungeon Raids
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 04:02
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jdreyer wrote on Mar 7, 2022, 01:59:
Abide wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 22:31:
I can't wait until China attacks Taiwan and every company cuts ties with China and destroys everything that is "Made in China". No, more Hollywood, NBA, Netflix, Amazon, that will be great. We will sure show them then!
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but being excluded from the Chinese market will not destroy those companies/industries.
Amazon would definitely suffer from a ban on Chinese products as the vast majority of "reasonably priced" (aka. cheap) physical goods sold on the platform are produced in China.
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Mar 7, 2022, 01:59
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 7, 2022, 01:59
Mar 7, 2022, 01:59
 
Abide wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 22:31:
I can't wait until China attacks Taiwan and every company cuts ties with China and destroys everything that is "Made in China". No, more Hollywood, NBA, Netflix, Amazon, that will be great. We will sure show them then!
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but being excluded from the Chinese market will not destroy those companies/industries.
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Slava Ukraini!
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 01:58
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 7, 2022, 01:58
Mar 7, 2022, 01:58
 
Dreagon wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 19:12:
jdreyer wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 18:14:
The Half Elf wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 16:22:
As someone else mentioned.... do we really think Putin is buying games or the games being bought in Russia are supporting the military?
I'm sure the Russian military is buying Call of Duty to train its soldiers. At least looking at their performance in battle.
Apparently a more logistics focused game would have suited their needs better...
Sooo... Euro Truck Simulator?
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Slava Ukraini!
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 7, 2022, 01:42
Jim
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Mar 7, 2022, 01:42
Jim
 
If the west just rolled over and allowed the takeover with no consequences, like they did with crimea, then yeah, I suppose taiwan would be next. And if that happens, it will be very interesting times.
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 6, 2022, 22:31
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 6, 2022, 22:31
Mar 6, 2022, 22:31
 
I can't wait until China attacks Taiwan and every company cuts ties with China and destroys everything that is "Made in China". No, more Hollywood, NBA, Netflix, Amazon, that will be great. We will sure show them then!
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Mar 6, 2022, 19:40
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Mar 6, 2022, 19:40
 
Dreagon wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 19:12:
jdreyer wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 18:14:
The Half Elf wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 16:22:
As someone else mentioned.... do we really think Putin is buying games or the games being bought in Russia are supporting the military?
I'm sure the Russian military is buying Call of Duty to train its soldiers. At least looking at their performance in battle.
Apparently a more logistics focused game would have suited their needs better...

Well logistics isn't really inspiring to gung-ho action heroes. I mean who likes tallying up the total fuel going to a column of tanks to get them to a certain point without complete breakdown? Not Rambo...that's who.
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 6, 2022, 19:12
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Mar 6, 2022, 19:12
 
jdreyer wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 18:14:
The Half Elf wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 16:22:
As someone else mentioned.... do we really think Putin is buying games or the games being bought in Russia are supporting the military?
I'm sure the Russian military is buying Call of Duty to train its soldiers. At least looking at their performance in battle.
Apparently a more logistics focused game would have suited their needs better...
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"@Dreagon - Comparing Oblivion to Deer Hunter was just ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourself... it just made you look like a Class-A cunt." - theyarecomingforyou
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 6, 2022, 18:14
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Mar 6, 2022, 18:14
 
The Half Elf wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 16:22:
As someone else mentioned.... do we really think Putin is buying games or the games being bought in Russia are supporting the military?
I'm sure the Russian military is buying Call of Duty to train its soldiers. At least looking at their performance in battle.
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Slava Ukraini!
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Mar 6, 2022, 18:02
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Mar 6, 2022, 18:02
 
No Fortnight for you!
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Mar 6, 2022, 17:55
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 6, 2022, 17:55
Mar 6, 2022, 17:55
 
El Pit wrote on Mar 6, 2022, 16:28:
As already explained: the people in Russia are fed lies by Russian news and have no access to alternate sources. But if the Russian people are cut off from what they are used to like e.g. world wide games services, this is a sign to them that things are not what Russian news tells them and that a huge part of the world is siding with the Ukraine. It is just a sign, a hint, but many signs and hints can tell them that things are not what the Russian news try to tell them.
So well said, just part of the smoke that tells russians that something is getting burned.
This is a clear message to hundred of thousands of their gamers.

And to naysayers/doubters, do you think that *not* doing everything possible is better ?
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce
Mar 6, 2022, 17:07
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Re: Epic Ceasing Russian Commerce Mar 6, 2022, 17:07
Mar 6, 2022, 17:07
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I don't blame the Russian people, but the truth is that the most likely resolution to the current mess will have to come from within Russia. The population has to be affected by events before they'll be willing to stand up (or before leaders will stand up on their behalf.) Crippling their economy and taking away all of their entertainments will make those people miserable, which sucks. It's not their fault. But it will still provide motivation for them to bring about change.

Russia has a long history of revolution, after all.
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