Op Ed

  • The Verge - Elden Ring’s character creator fails Black players. Thanks Max.
    "This isn’t just an Elden Ring problem; it’s a video game problem. For many years, players of color have had to mod in things like kinky hairstyles and better, more authentic-looking skin tones in order to have the kind of representation that white players get by default. Games with a customizable protagonist are nearly always represented with a white-passing avatar. And when games do include Black hairstyles, it’s almost always only a fade and an afro, which are the go-to styles whenever a character creator wants to give the appearance of inclusivity while not actually being all that inclusive. (Looking at you, Mass Effect.)"
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Feb 27, 2022, 13:00
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Re: Op Ed Feb 27, 2022, 13:00
Feb 27, 2022, 13:00
 
These parody articles from the Babylon Bee are getting really funny, I think. Kudos.
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Feb 27, 2022, 13:04
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Feb 27, 2022, 13:04
 
Icewind wrote on Feb 27, 2022, 13:00:
These parody articles from the Babylon Bee are getting really funny, I think. Kudos.

Oh, I'm sorry if you think an issue is satire because it doesn't impact you, personally.
We'll all make sure to laugh at whatever does impact you.
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Feb 27, 2022, 13:07
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Re: Op Ed Feb 27, 2022, 13:07
Feb 27, 2022, 13:07
 
I agree. Devs should cater to narcissists of all types, so each player can change their hero to look exactly like them, and truly admire their meta-self. That's why I only read books in which the protagonist has my name. I'm just flabbergasted that authors dare to write about anyone else.
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Feb 27, 2022, 14:03
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Re: Op Ed Feb 27, 2022, 14:03
Feb 27, 2022, 14:03
 
So make your own fucking game and pander to whomever you wish but just shut the fuck up with the constant whinging about the universe isn't diverse enough and how unjust it all is. Liberals desperately need to learn that they're the only fucking mopes who care about identity politics. And that's why they keep losing elections.

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Feb 27, 2022, 14:23
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Re: Op Ed Feb 27, 2022, 14:23
Feb 27, 2022, 14:23
 
One can point to every previous post in this thread as proof that white privilege is real, and that those who have it are determined to hold onto it while denying it exists.
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Feb 27, 2022, 14:35
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Feb 27, 2022, 14:35
 
William Rubin wrote on Feb 27, 2022, 14:23:
One can point to every previous post in this thread as proof that white privilege is real, and that those who have it are determined to hold onto it while denying it exists.
It’s also proof that they hadn’t read the article.
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Feb 27, 2022, 14:45
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Feb 27, 2022, 14:45
 
theglaze wrote on Feb 27, 2022, 13:07:
I agree. Devs should cater to narcissists of all types, so each player can change their hero to look exactly like them, and truly admire their meta-self. That's why I only read books in which the protagonist has my name. I'm just flabbergasted that authors dare to write about anyone else.
If it's narcissism when black players want to be able to play black characters but can't, how much more narcissistic is it when white players actually do that? And therefore more importantly, why doesn't that bother you as much as black players saying they want to do what white players already can?
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Feb 27, 2022, 14:50
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Feb 27, 2022, 14:50
 
I had to look "kinky" up because I thought....well, you know.
Turns out it is an actual style of hair and not a sexual thing.
kind'a disappointed
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Feb 27, 2022, 15:04
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Feb 27, 2022, 15:04
 
I wonder why some people here have such a visceral reaction to articles like this pointing out shortcomings in character creation. You'd think better/more powerful character creation would be something everyone can get behind, but apparently not. I wonder why it's different when talking about dark skin or natural Black hairstyles?

Hmm....
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Feb 27, 2022, 15:27
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Feb 27, 2022, 15:27
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Modders have been tackling this basically since video games had people graphically represented. Sad but true.
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Feb 27, 2022, 18:37
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Re: Op Ed Feb 27, 2022, 18:37
Feb 27, 2022, 18:37
 
It is an annoying and maddening thing to be limited by the hairstyles that are obviously there just for "something to put on the 1 or 2 black players we think we may get...but now lets include over a dozen different hair styles for white folks because that's more important".
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Feb 27, 2022, 18:57
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It's like how people create gods in their own images.
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Feb 27, 2022, 19:34
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Re: Op Ed Feb 27, 2022, 19:34
Feb 27, 2022, 19:34
 
Wow Cutter. I'm glad you can speak for all of us black people. How enlightened and in tune with everything in the world you must be.

I'm so glad we have you to tell us that we don't care about something and that we should go and make our own games if we want to be represented in the very games that we are paying for. That's very generous of you to take that burden off our shoulders so we can shut up and go back to gaming in our little corners while leaving the important things to be decided by the knowledgeable white folks like yourself.

I do thank ya for the effort, sir. Will there be anything else that I don't know about myself and should shut up about according to your impeccable values?
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Feb 27, 2022, 19:59
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Re: Op Ed Feb 27, 2022, 19:59
Feb 27, 2022, 19:59
 
Slashman wrote on Feb 27, 2022, 19:34:
I do thank ya for the effort, sir. Will there be anything else that I don't know about myself and should shut up about according to your impeccable values?
C'mon man, he's so reactionary that answer is obvious.

He's happy with white people having unearned advantages, and therefore you should shut up about anything related to changing that status quo. It's all your problem, he doesn't want to hear about it because it's working out fine for him.
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Feb 27, 2022, 20:27
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"I just don’t understand how a game, after numerous, numerous calls for greater diversity and developers acknowledging its Black community members through Black Lives Matter posts and well wishes during Black History Month, can still fail to account for Black players."

Dude's obviously in a bubble and has never been to Japan LOL. Elden Ring is made by a Japanese developer for the Japan market first and foremost. Obviously a better character creator would be great, but it's not some huge travesty that it can't represent everyone exactly. Personally I think it's just an improvement that you can actually create characters now that aren't butt ugly.
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Feb 27, 2022, 20:27
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Feb 27, 2022, 20:27
 
fakespyder wrote on Feb 27, 2022, 14:50:
I had to look "kinky" up because I thought....well, you know.
Turns out it is an actual style of hair and not a sexual thing.
kind'a disappointed
Well, it could be both. A kink for kink.
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Feb 27, 2022, 20:33
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Feb 27, 2022, 20:33
 
Razumen wrote on Feb 27, 2022, 20:27:
"I just don’t understand how a game, after numerous, numerous calls for greater diversity and developers acknowledging its Black community members through Black Lives Matter posts and well wishes during Black History Month, can still fail to account for Black players."

Dude's obviously in a bubble and has never been to Japan LOL. Elden Ring is made by a Japanese developer for the Japan market first and foremost. Obviously a better character creator would be great, but it's not some huge travesty that it can't represent everyone exactly. Personally I think it's just an improvement that you can actually create characters now that aren't butt ugly.
I guarantee you the vast majority of From Software's sales are overseas (not Japan). It's just good business to build diversity into your games in that case. Japan is still a very homogenous society, so it's not hard to see that the wouldn't get this right.
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Feb 27, 2022, 21:10
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Feb 27, 2022, 21:10
 
jdreyer wrote on Feb 27, 2022, 20:33:
Razumen wrote on Feb 27, 2022, 20:27:
"I just don’t understand how a game, after numerous, numerous calls for greater diversity and developers acknowledging its Black community members through Black Lives Matter posts and well wishes during Black History Month, can still fail to account for Black players."

Dude's obviously in a bubble and has never been to Japan LOL. Elden Ring is made by a Japanese developer for the Japan market first and foremost. Obviously a better character creator would be great, but it's not some huge travesty that it can't represent everyone exactly. Personally I think it's just an improvement that you can actually create characters now that aren't butt ugly.
I guarantee you the vast majority of From Software's sales are overseas (not Japan). It's just good business to build diversity into your games in that case. Japan is still a very homogenous society, so it's not hard to see that the wouldn't get this right.

Doesn't matter, like I said, it's made for the Japanese market first.
And It HAS diversity, it's just not diverse enough, and never will be for some people.
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