Doesn't support DLSS, RTX, or FidelityFX at launch? Damn you legacy consoles!

Acleacius wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 18:13:
I honestly don't know what that means because I've never play previous Souls games or know their online gameplay.
Basically, this is in the news and I'm wondering if it's real Coop, i.e. no Friendly Fire.
Or maybe this is just another example of developer lying saying Coop = Team Deathmatch.

multiplayer is not going to be the same. dark souls has two MP modes, coop and invasions. In coop you can invite phantoms (NPCs and other players) to help you clear areas and bosses. While playing, you can be embered or not. If you are embered you look like a normal person and have additional health and can summon people for help. If not, you have somewhat reduced health, look skeletal and CANNOT BE INVADED.

The latter is supposed to change in Elden Ring so that you can ONLY be invaded after you have summoned someone, and not when you are just clearing areas. That makes PvP purely optional experience, vs the griefing experience it used to be in other dark souls games. People have complained about making the game easier (more accessible), but you could always play offline mode and avoid invasions (from players, not NPCs)

fight-dead-restart, fight-dead-restart, fight-dead-restart, fight-dead-restart, fight-dead-rage quit

That would be me 🤪

jdreyer wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 17:34:
What's your total time playing various Souls and Soullikes?

I haven't played a ton, mainly the FROM games that literally have 'Souls' in the title. Though I also enjoyed Fallen Order and Remnant. Usually takes around 40-50 hours for a thorough run of each game, but you might double that for the first Dark Souls because I played it both on PS3 back in the day and a couple more times on PC.

Primalchrome wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 17:31:
Then you're a better player than most. Manus in Dark Souls. The Nameless King and the Twins dealt me fits in 3. Ludwig in Bloodborne. There are a number of bosses I can think of that gave most players significant trouble or marked the end of their foray into the game...

I didn't say I never had significant trouble with a boss, I'm saying I never wasted hours trying over and over. Skill helps in these games, of course, but so does common sense, probably even more so... If tanking with heavy armor doesn't work, maybe I need to be more mobile. Or maybe they have an elemental weakness I can exploit with spells or enchanted weapons. Whoops, still not working, maybe I just need to go do some other stuff for a while and come back later. Level up, increase stats, upgrade equipment and healing ability, you are free to do these any of these tangible progression things at any time to help make up for a lack of skill or common sense. But I doubt the average reviewer is interested in putting that much thought or effort in, they'd rather just throw their hands up and call bullshit. Much like the average player, who would try to treat these games like any other garden variety action-RPG. I love the amount of freedom you have in these games, but that does consequently put more responsibility on the player in determining how fun or frustrating it ends up being.

eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 17:51:

Acleacius wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 17:42:
Since I'm not sure I want to read a review atm, according to the Steam Store Page, the game is Online PvP and Online Coop.
So is it one or the other, or are the publisher/developer lying to try to get more sales?
I'd be down for something Coop but PvP.

multiplayer is almost exactly like previous Souls entries say the reviews

I honestly don't know what that means because I've never play previous Souls games or know their online gameplay.
Basically, this is in the news and I'm wondering if it's real Coop, i.e. no Friendly Fire.
Or maybe this is just another example of developer lying saying Coop = Team Deathmatch.

Dying Light 2 was a fail for me because of drm and now I find that Shadow Warrior 3 is single player only.
So I'm still looking for a new Coop game.

eRe4s3r wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 17:37:

jdreyer wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 13:33:

HorrorScope wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 12:42:

Fion wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 12:31:
I think I'd really like this game, sadly I just don't have the reflexes I once did, so I will probably skip it. I hit a wall in Sekiro I simply could not get passed, and while this game doesn't seem to require the same millisecond timing that one did, these reviews are still all talking about how the reviewer spent 5+ minutes taking out a single boss after hours of attempts... on the first boss. That kind of grind and precision just isn't in me anymore as a gamer.

Fion food for thought as I'm the same. I use cheatengine speedhack on many single player games and you can map keys to say 70%, 100% and 130% speed. So if something is difficult in an action way, I can press a button for bullet time like effect to make it easier for me to pull off, or say a game with a lot of travel here and there, I hit the 130% button to get to point B quicker. Point is a little tool that can make some things more bearable for you. Overall I use the speed up more to make the games move along faster.

I need something like that for Rogue Legacy.

Takes like 20 seconds to do with Cheat Engine

I wish they'd just make it a setting. Unreal Tournament had a speed setting back in 2000. SupCom, too: 2005.

phinn wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 16:33:

Prez wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 16:19:
Now all I have to do is wait for the easy mode

An easy mode would ruin these games and genre. The difficulty isn’t bad at all it’s “just right” in that you feel a sense of accomplishment after tackling a boss after couple tries learning the fight. Besides, you can always summon another person or AI for some jolly cooperation.

Guess that depends on one's skill level, the only game from fromsoftware I tried is bloodborne, I gave up on the game b4 I even reached the first boss, there is no fun in these games for me, just frustration.

Primalchrome wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 17:47:

RogueSix wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 16:58:
Digital garbage for masochists who love infinite respawns, console checkpoint saves, clunky PC controls and formulaic boss fights. Hard pass.

Hyperbole much?

they need to punish themselves by playing something like Dark Souls that really rubs it in what sore losers they are. It's got to be something psychological like that because no sane person would ever voluntarily submit themselves to that garbage.

So right. It's insane for people to actually enjoy accomplishing something with a learned skill or discovering something anew or even putting some lore puzzle pieces together to enjoy rich worldbuilding. Great point. Everything should be served up on silver platters for mouthbreathers only capable of repeatedly pressing X to continue. All entertainment should be geared to the lowest common denominator. I agree, entitlement and 'gimme the easys' is a psychological problem when you can't fathom why an athlete, artist, gamer, performer, or professional appreciates a job well done....even when they're doing things for fun.

Sweet jesus....why can't people just say "Soulsborne just doesn't resonate with me because I enjoy relaxing while I game" instead of slinging horseshit against the wall to make themselves feel better?

Tribalism is stronk on the Interbutts.

Console wars, PCMR...people just cannot accept others have fun with something they don't.

Acleacius wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 17:42:
Since I'm not sure I want to read a review atm, according to the Steam Store Page, the game is Online PvP and Online Coop.
So is it one or the other, or are the publisher/developer lying to try to get more sales?
I'd be down for something Coop but PvP.

multiplayer is almost exactly like previous Souls entries say the reviews

RogueSix wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 16:58:
Digital garbage for masochists who love infinite respawns, console checkpoint saves, clunky PC controls and formulaic boss fights. Hard pass.

Hyperbole much?

they need to punish themselves by playing something like Dark Souls that really rubs it in what sore losers they are. It's got to be something psychological like that because no sane person would ever voluntarily submit themselves to that garbage.

So right. It's insane for people to actually enjoy accomplishing something with a learned skill or discovering something anew or even putting some lore puzzle pieces together to enjoy rich worldbuilding. Great point. Everything should be served up on silver platters for mouthbreathers only capable of repeatedly pressing X to continue. All entertainment should be geared to the lowest common denominator. I agree, entitlement and 'gimme the easys' is a psychological problem when you can't fathom why an athlete, artist, gamer, performer, or professional appreciates a job well done....even when they're doing things for fun.

Sweet jesus....why can't people just say "Soulsborne just doesn't resonate with me because I enjoy relaxing while I game" instead of slinging horseshit against the wall to make themselves feel better?

Since I'm not sure I want to read a review atm, according to the Steam Store Page, the game is Online PvP and Online Coop.
So is it one or the other, or are the publisher/developer lying to try to get more sales?
I'd be down for something Coop but PvP.

jdreyer wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 13:33:

HorrorScope wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 12:42:

Fion wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 12:31:
I think I'd really like this game, sadly I just don't have the reflexes I once did, so I will probably skip it. I hit a wall in Sekiro I simply could not get passed, and while this game doesn't seem to require the same millisecond timing that one did, these reviews are still all talking about how the reviewer spent 5+ minutes taking out a single boss after hours of attempts... on the first boss. That kind of grind and precision just isn't in me anymore as a gamer.

Fion food for thought as I'm the same. I use cheatengine speedhack on many single player games and you can map keys to say 70%, 100% and 130% speed. So if something is difficult in an action way, I can press a button for bullet time like effect to make it easier for me to pull off, or say a game with a lot of travel here and there, I hit the 130% button to get to point B quicker. Point is a little tool that can make some things more bearable for you. Overall I use the speed up more to make the games move along faster.

I need something like that for Rogue Legacy.

Takes like 20 seconds to do with Cheat Engine

jacobvandy wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 16:05:
I've never encountered a boss in any Souls game that took hours to beat... Multiple attempts, sure, and usually the run back from the spawn point takes longer than the actual fight, but if you're spending more than 30 minutes banging your head against that wall, you're doing it wrong. Either change up your strategy or just go level up some more.

What's your total time playing various Souls and Soullikes?

jacobvandy wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 16:05:
I've never encountered a boss in any Souls game that took hours to beat... Multiple attempts, sure, and usually the run back from the spawn point takes longer than the actual fight, but if you're spending more than 30 minutes banging your head against that wall, you're doing it wrong. Either change up your strategy or just go level up some more.

Then you're a better player than most. Manus in Dark Souls. The Nameless King and the Twins dealt me fits in 3. Ludwig in Bloodborne. There are a number of bosses I can think of that gave most players significant trouble or marked the end of their foray into the game...

RogueSix wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 16:58:
Digital garbage for masochists who love infinite respawns, console checkpoint saves, clunky PC controls and formulaic boss fights. Hard pass.

I actually think Jedi Fallen Order falls into this category, yet the graphics and environments kept me sticking with it. Though I couldn't help but think, the checkpoint save was archaic, the frustration of having to work your way through things you already killed just because of the respawn. It feels like you're wasting your time. Luckily with Fallen Order, you could flip the difficulty on the fly. I would face a boss that killed me plenty and in desperation to keep moving forward in the game to see more of it, I lowered it to the easiest difficulty. You literally take no damage and do a heck more. That helped me kill the boss quick and then I would bump up the difficulty again so cannon foes weren't so easy.

This actually saved my experience with Fallen Order and I beat it. Granted, I don't not give 2 shiiites about reducing the difficulty in favor of trying to keep progressing through the game/story.

Digital garbage for masochists who love infinite respawns, console checkpoint saves, clunky PC controls and formulaic boss fights. Hard pass.

RedEye9 wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 12:21:
If you hate Dark Souls …
For those who have never understood the appeal of Dark Souls, Elden Ring’s action is a different story. Even with helpful new features, this is still a tough game that required me to bang my head against individual bosses for hours on end. If that’s never sounded fun, it still won’t be here. digital trends

The weird thing is I really disliked Dark Souls. I've never been so frustrated with a game in my life. Yet after playing through it more, I really enjoyed it, and even played through it a second time right after the first time (which I never do with a game). Yet, the pain was enough to put me off any more of the games and I've never picked up another.

They remind me of roguelikes or stealth games, where you simply perform the same actions again and again and again until you perfect it, even if it takes 100 times. Not a fan of going through the same area 50 times.

Prez wrote on Feb 23, 2022, 16:19:
Now all I have to do is wait for the easy mode

An easy mode would ruin these games and genre. The difficulty isn’t bad at all it’s “just right” in that you feel a sense of accomplishment after tackling a boss after couple tries learning the fight. Besides, you can always summon another person or AI for some jolly cooperation.

Another masterpiece level FromSoftware game. Day 1 purchase for me. Beat all 6 previous Soulsborne games and Elden Ring looks like it might just be the best one yet!

I'll wait awhile on this one...honest PC reviews talk a lot about the technical problems and bugs in the game--one site said they came close to giving up several times--still haven't given it a rating yet because of it. And this stuff about taking 10-20 hours to kill something--that's not fun, that's work!...;) No difficulty settings, either. If I want a workout, I'll go to the gym.