Jim wrote on Feb 26, 2022, 01:57:
I'll admit, original dark souls was a horrible PC port. ...
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It is the gameplay though that is why dark souls has a rabid fanbase. ...

Once it was modded to more FPS, save anywhere Nexus mod, etc, etc, it was as playable as any other PC game.

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Jim wrote on Feb 26, 2022, 01:57:
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Nioh 1 also had the impossible to figure out keyboard controls #2 was much better.
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Jim wrote on Feb 26, 2022, 01:57:
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And yeah, I am a kb/m only player, have been for the past 25 years. Only time I have used a controller was for demon souls but only because it was the only option, and I hated it.

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I'll admit, original dark souls was a horrible PC port. Sony is going to be their bigger market. But they did fix the major complaints with DS2 and then DS3 was pretty smooth, and sekiro was even better. The graphics engine... probably very outdated in terms of what it can do. So you get stutter, wide screen bars, legitimate concerns.

It is the gameplay though that is why dark souls has a rabid fanbase. They started the souls like genre. It is despite how horrible a port the original DS1 was. It did not matter. The satisfaction the game gave made it worth it. Nioh fits the same mold, and probably does a lot of things better (IMO). Nioh 1 also had the impossible to figure out keyboard controls #2 was much better.

And yeah, I am a kb/m only player, have been for the past 25 years. Only time I have used a controller was for demon souls but only because it was the only option, and I hated it.

The technical issues of the game are not the same as what happened with cyberpunk. Cyberpunk had across the board issues and then the game itself was just not good enough to make it all worthwhile.

Quinn wrote on Feb 25, 2022, 15:16:

Jim wrote on Feb 25, 2022, 10:42:
OMG YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT!!! I can't figure out how to get to the menu to show KB icons instead of Controller icons. WORSTEST GAME EVAR!!! UNINSTALL REFUNDED!!!

LOL

BTW, I killed the first boss (technically second) without dying. EASY MODE IS ON

Howdy Jim. I'll remind you that you're defending a bad port. Give a game a 10/10 as a console version, sure, but there's been 10/10s for the PC version as well. I've been watching Let's Plays and read a lot of Steam reviews by now. And this game is one of the worst console ports we've seen in years. And, again, people are defending it. There's a bug going viral in the brains of many people at the moment, and I think many of Blues members suffer this bug as well. Apparantly anything From Software is good. Gamers destroy relationships at the fleet because they exclaim "YOU DIED" during sex. There's a cult within the gaming scene and it's the From Software Souls cult, let there be no mistake. In this thread alone I had to defend my complaint of an fps cap -- let that detonate in your brain for a second! -- and the fact that the default UI is based on using a controller. It truly boggles the mind. It truly fucking does.

Yeah, 43,000 Steam reviews: MIXED. That is not good.

Frijoles wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 21:12:
How this game is getting "Best game EVAR!" reviews boggles my mind. One of the worst PC ports I've ever seen. Bought it from GMG and can't refund. Bah. No ultrawide support, keyboard support is a joke, the menus are total WTF, stuttering on a 3080 (maybe I shouldn't try to run at ultrawide since it can't even handle wide). And that's just the first 5 minutes.

Patches should fix the framerate. Maybe someone will mod fixes for the rest?

Jim wrote on Feb 25, 2022, 10:42:
OMG YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT!!! I can't figure out how to get to the menu to show KB icons instead of Controller icons. WORSTEST GAME EVAR!!! UNINSTALL REFUNDED!!!

LOL

BTW, I killed the first boss (technically second) without dying. EASY MODE IS ON

Howdy Jim. I'll remind you that you're defending a bad port. Give a game a 10/10 as a console version, sure, but there's been 10/10s for the PC version as well. I've been watching Let's Plays and read a lot of Steam reviews by now. And this game is one of the worst console ports we've seen in years. And, again, people are defending it. There's a bug going viral in the brains of many people at the moment, and I think many of Blues members suffer this bug as well. Apparantly anything From Software is good. Gamers destroy relationships at the fleet because they exclaim "YOU DIED" during sex. There's a cult within the gaming scene and it's the From Software Souls cult, let there be no mistake. In this thread alone I had to defend my complaint of an fps cap -- let that detonate in your brain for a second! -- and the fact that the default UI is based on using a controller. It truly boggles the mind. It truly fucking does.

Jim wrote on Feb 25, 2022, 10:42:
OMG YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT!!! I can't figure out how to get to the menu to show KB icons instead of Controller icons. WORSTEST GAME EVAR!!! UNINSTALL REFUNDED!!!

LOL

BTW, I killed the first boss (technically second) without dying. EASY MODE IS ON

Careful now, you’ll scare the natives.

OMG YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT!!! I can't figure out how to get to the menu to show KB icons instead of Controller icons. WORSTEST GAME EVAR!!! UNINSTALL REFUNDED!!!

LOL

BTW, I killed the first boss (technically second) without dying. EASY MODE IS ON

Quinn wrote on Feb 25, 2022, 02:57:
I've lost my love for Mack a while ago, but I gotta admit that this one is refreshing: Worth a Buy's review.

This port, like all their other games, is fucking atrocious. Performance sucks, keybinds don't work, controller doesn't work, fps cap, there are no mouse/keyboard prompts during gameplay but instead for controller even if you use M/KB (I so fucking hate it when these fucking ports do that). Yet people give this 10/10 or 9/10.

Fucking mental. Hive-mind, braindead lunacy.

Yup, it looks pretty bad. Stutters on a 1060 6gb or a 3080 12gb from one youtuber. I see ACG has released a update video on the new patch. Much like a lot of very pro Warhammer3 reviews from last week despite its problems with fps issues and multiplayer stability problems. That or Dying Light2's multiplayer bugs.

ACG:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yma9dJRAlo4

I've lost my love for Mack a while ago, but I gotta admit that this one is refreshing: Worth a Buy's review.

This port, like all their other games, is fucking atrocious. Performance sucks, keybinds don't work, controller doesn't work, fps cap, there are no mouse/keyboard prompts during gameplay but instead for controller even if you use M/KB (I so fucking hate it when these fucking ports do that). Yet people give this 10/10 or 9/10.

Fucking mental. Hive-mind, braindead lunacy.

Frijoles wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 21:12:
How this game is getting "Best game EVAR!" reviews boggles my mind. One of the worst PC ports I've ever seen. Bought it from GMG and can't refund. Bah. No ultrawide support, keyboard support is a joke, the menus are total WTF, stuttering on a 3080 (maybe I shouldn't try to run at ultrawide since it can't even handle wide). And that's just the first 5 minutes.

Reminds me of the Cyberpunk 2077 reviews where many of the reviews were 9+/10 for an utterly unfinished and bug ridden game. Those reviews made it clear to me how hype and high anticipation can cause reviewers to toss all objectivity out the window. Cyberpunk and some other highly reviewed games (GTA) have made me highly skeptical of games that get numerous perfect scores from reviewers.

Now I highly doubt that Elden Ring is a turd like Cyberpunk was, but the game reportedly has serious performance issues across all platforms and for some reason all these reviewers chose not to reflect that in their 10/10 perfect scores for the game. If Digital Foundry is recommending console gamers play the PS4 version of the game on a PS5 in order to get consistent 60 FPS, something is very wrong with the optimization. If PC users are reporting second long freezes in the midst of combat, something is very wrong, especially in a game like this where that usually results in the player character's death. This game does not deserve the perfect reviews it has been receiving simply based on the shitty optimization.

Frijoles wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 21:12:
How this game is getting "Best game EVAR!" reviews boggles my mind. One of the worst PC ports I've ever seen. Bought it from GMG and can't refund. Bah. No ultrawide support, keyboard support is a joke, the menus are total WTF, stuttering on a 3080 (maybe I shouldn't try to run at ultrawide since it can't even handle wide). And that's just the first 5 minutes.

Because once the hive has decided something is divine and faultless, it is so. When some things are objectively bad, like an fps cap or the crap you mentioned, and ppl defend that shit? That's collective insanity.

Personally I think what people apply to From Soft's games is the illusion that they are special for liking their torturous shit. There's a strong and addictive sense of achievement after conquering hardships, after all. From building your own company to surviving the cancerous hell of chemo.

Frijoles wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 21:12:
How this game is getting "Best game EVAR!" reviews boggles my mind. One of the worst PC ports I've ever seen. Bought it from GMG and can't refund. Bah. No ultrawide support, keyboard support is a joke, the menus are total WTF, stuttering on a 3080 (maybe I shouldn't try to run at ultrawide since it can't even handle wide). And that's just the first 5 minutes.

Don't worry bro, you just haven't "acquired" the taste yet. 🤣

How this game is getting "Best game EVAR!" reviews boggles my mind. One of the worst PC ports I've ever seen. Bought it from GMG and can't refund. Bah. No ultrawide support, keyboard support is a joke, the menus are total WTF, stuttering on a 3080 (maybe I shouldn't try to run at ultrawide since it can't even handle wide). And that's just the first 5 minutes.

Razumen wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 19:18:

Quinn wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 17:00:
Also, I haven't invested 1500 bucks on a gaming rig to play fps capped games. This shit should be unacceptable, yet not a single reviewer gives a shit.

Then...don't buy FPS capped games?

That's what started the discussion
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Quinn wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 17:00:
Also, I haven't invested 1500 bucks on a gaming rig to play fps capped games. This shit should be unacceptable, yet not a single reviewer gives a shit.

Then...don't buy FPS capped games?

Back in my day I played games at sub 30FPS at 640x480 or LESS. And you know what? I ENJOYED it still, because the games were still fun.

Jim wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 15:34:
Yes, I could get on about minecraft and how i refuse to play it because the graphics are trash, but obviously there is a world of people that disagree, and because of my opinions I may never know the depth and richness of the minecraft experience.

Dark souls is an acquired taste. If someone has not completed the game, then you probably can't really know if you would like it or not. It changed the way I view and play games and I read many of the same stories in dark souls forums. Death is not "losing" it is "learning" and progression can still happen. As a game it gives vastly more satisfaction than games with bookmarks and regenerating health and so forth. I can't say how many shooters and such I have rushed through so I can say I finished it and uninstalled. Why? Because they can be just boring.

Criticizing a element of something is not the same as refusing to play it. Maybe the one that mentioned it first won't play the games, but I have, and his criticism has real merit. Dark Souls is not a perfect game, no game is. Elden Ring won't be either. But whenever someone brings up any sort of constructive criticism about a flawed element of a game, even if it would do nothing but improve the experience for all, everyone fan gets up in arms and acts like you just insulted their entire ancestral line and threatened to take a dump on their front lawn.

jdreyer wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 12:39:

Quinn wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 05:43:
In theory they aren't, but don't try to sell me this, man. 60fps feels a lot like 60hz and the other way around and the difference is maybe only noticeable with a direct comparisson. But maybe more in input lag than anything else.

You're calling an fps cap a minor gripe. To me, it's a major issue right up there with a narrow field of view. The moment fps drops below 80, I immediately notice it and my joy drops by 60%. 60fps (even on 144hz, which does nothing because the cap bottlenecks) feels to me like horrendous performance.

Also, I haven't invested 1500 bucks on a gaming rig to play fps capped games. This shit should be unacceptable, yet not a single reviewer gives a shit.

So you didn't even start to game until 120hz monitors were invented?

Once you're used to something better, taking a step back sucks. This is nothing new and shouldn't need explaining. The 60fps cap is laziness; it's not giving a shit because your cult following has people like me needing to defend their stance that an fps cap is fucking bullshit -- on a PC gaming community full of entitled motherfuckers from the master race like myself, no less!

Yes, I could get on about minecraft and how i refuse to play it because the graphics are trash, but obviously there is a world of people that disagree, and because of my opinions I may never know the depth and richness of the minecraft experience.

Dark souls is an acquired taste. If someone has not completed the game, then you probably can't really know if you would like it or not. It changed the way I view and play games and I read many of the same stories in dark souls forums. Death is not "losing" it is "learning" and progression can still happen. As a game it gives vastly more satisfaction than games with bookmarks and regenerating health and so forth. I can't say how many shooters and such I have rushed through so I can say I finished it and uninstalled. Why? Because they can be just boring.

From Software's Souls-borne-like games are a genre upon themselves and some people will either love these type of games and others will bounce off of it. It's no big deal if it's not for everyone but for those who really love these types of games, Elden Ring is probably their most anticipated game of the year.

For instance, I've never understood the appeal of racing games. I find driving an annoying daily process since I have to constantly deal with traffic or morons who barely know how to drive or somehow think they're special enough to break the rules of the road. So playing a game where you have to drive repetitively in a big oval on a track is not appealing to me whatsoever. That doesn't mean that I don't understand why some of my friends were hyped up for the newest Forza or why they'd spend thousands of dollars on driving peripherals to virtually drive an overly-expensive car they could never afford in real life and not have to worry about obeying speed laws.

The same goes for when a bunch of Blues New'sers in here were going gaga over the newest Truck Simulator game. That sounded like the most boring game that I could ever think of and it baffles the hell out of me that anyone would want to play a game like that. But hey, it got good reviews and a bunch of you really like the series. Good on you and have the kind of fun that you want.

That's why people have different tastes, opinions and preferences when it comes to games they like to play. Some people just want to chill and relax when they're playing games and other want to challenge themselves with a game that does very little hand-holding. I was very hesitant on delving into Dark Souls 1 but little by little, death by death, I grew to love the series and have had some of my best experiences in gaming from playing these types of games. So just because you don't like the series doesn't mean that they're bad games or that those who like the series are blind cultists. There's a reason why they're so beloved because they fulfill a niche that very few other games can really compare to.

Sepharo wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 14:08:

Beamer wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 09:30:

Sepharo wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 01:41:

Jim wrote on Feb 24, 2022, 00:13:
It is not a JRPG where you have to memorize button combinations.

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Are you thinking of fighting games maybe?
JRPGS are menus of options like this:
-Attack
-Magic
-Item
Nothing to memorize.

Personally I'm not a fan of Roll-Block-Attack ... Block-Attack-Roll "trial-and-error" gameplay.
I'm also not a fan of like Mario Maker like platforming games where you need to memorize a bunch of difficult jumps and traps over a hundred plus attempts.
My personal theory is that people who like that kind of gameplay grew up with consoles as kids and "beat" games.
I'm not really trying to make this a console vs PC master race thing... but I just didn't have the 8 and 16bit generation consoles... I grew up on capital-A Adventure games (narrative, exploration, and puzzles) and First Person Shooters (both SP and MP) ... neither of which are really what I consider these "trial-and-error" type genres.
I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys those types of games... but personally I just find the gameplay super tedious and boring.

I don't know. Mario Sunshine had some brutal levels, but those Mario things we see online? Those always feel like they come from the PC world to me. They remind me of the Trackmania stuff we used to see here back in the day. People looking to design things they can perfect. Also modding and level design. All of which feels very PC by nature.

As for these games, I've never played them, and never will. They're not at all what I'm interested in. I like my games to be forgiving. If I screw up, I want to be able to recover. My favorite gaming experiences are largely just that - something like Dishonored where I can try to do the stealth method but will inevitably screw it up and just go on a murder spree. I didn't fail because I was seen, and I greatly dislike the games where you do fail for that.

But, like you and several others here, I'm old and totally don't complain about what other people like. A lot of games come out. A lot. There are ones for me. There are ones not for me. They're frequently great, incredible games, just not ones I'd enjoy, just like Queen is a great, incredible band, that completely puts me to sleep.

Mario Sunshine is actually one of my favorite games. All the official Mario games have some of the best game design around... I'm not a fan of platformers really... but I'm a big fan of Mario games and that's indicative of that great design.

That's funny. Mario Sunshine was almost great to me. Too often I felt like I was fighting the controls. I watched some retrospective in the past year or two that said the same thing - sloppy controls killed it, and I felt a bit vindicated. I've started it two or three times, and it feels magical until it feels like it is just a war between me and the button combo it wants me to do to get the nozzle to do what I want.

But I think the Mario games lost me after World. I never played 64, I thought Galaxies was a blast but didn't spend enough time with it to remember one way or the other, and own Odyssey but never actually played it. For the 3D games. I also own the Switch New SMB, which I had a good amount of fun with but found to be pretty forgiving and easy until I found a haunted house I couldn't solve, haha. I chalk almost all of this up to being old.