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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 21:46
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Look up how much those artists make a year from streaming and marketing deals. Hint: it's peanuts
Assuming they're going to live for another 20 or 30 years (which we all know they're not going to live that long, I mean their formative years were spent abstaining from drugs and alcohol, eating health food and going to bed early) what would that total.

A company comes along and says we'll give you half a billion dollars -and- you can still write new songs -and- you can still tour with your old ones. As an added benefit you'll receive even greater name recognition so if you decide to produce something new you're guaranteed more sales.

It is a no brainer, they'd be fools to hold on to their music for sentimental reasons or any reasons. shrug
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 17:12
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WannaLogAlready wrote on Jan 25, 2022, 09:49:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 25, 2022, 05:02:
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... There actually was a golden age of music ...
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A really brilliant analysis, JD.
It's somewhat similar to the golden age of gaming:
Today, even with easier access to the limelight and better and flashier technologies, there are tons of garbage and too much poor cloning of yesterday's classics.

There's still a lot of great music out there, and modern recording tools are relatively inexpensive compared to the past, so it's easier from that perspective. Ditto for digital distribution. My father has an excellent collection of modern folk music: really talented musicians and singers, no Autotune in sight. But a lot of those good bands barely scrape by/do it as a hobby/have day jobs. Most can't afford to do it as a living, as was the case for back in the 60s, 70s, even somewhat in the 80s & 90s. They get little support and promotion for their art beyond those dedicated fans that seek it out.

I think gaming is in a slightly better place. Yes, major studios are very risk-averse, making the next COD clone or the 20th version of insert-game-name-here (Total War, Civ, Far Cry, Final Fantasy, etc.). But there is a thriving mid-range indie game market with a lot of innovation going on, and it seems to my eye that they can get traction in both the gaming press and on distribution platforms. In recent years we've seen innovative indie games have both critical and financial success like Valheim, Satisfactory, Inscryption, Ori, Carrion, Noita, Outer Wilds, Goose Game, Into the Breach, Hades, Frostpunk, etc. You probably know this better than I, as you buy a lot more games than I do, and a most of them fit into this category.
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 12:59
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Jan 25, 2022, 12:59
 
From this recent Atlantic article:
"The 200 most popular new tracks now regularly account for less than 5 percent of total streams."

There's way more money in older music right now. I, for one, have been listening to more music during the pandemic, and most of my listening is catching up on old albums I never listened too - and there are a ton of them. For example, I'm currently working through Mark Knopfler's rather large solo-album discography.
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Jan 25, 2022, 10:40
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone Jan 25, 2022, 10:40
Jan 25, 2022, 10:40
 
I do think it is odd for some of them who have been so stingy with letting their music be used for commercial promotions. And if the company's are willing to pay that money, they think they can make even more from the rights. So, wouldn't doing some kind of limited time frame lease be better? But ultimately, "whatever". It is their music if they want to sell it for whatever reasons they have or think they have, it certainly within their rights to do so. I have no heart break over it, I just hope they never do.
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 10:03
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Jan 25, 2022, 10:03
 
It's nice to see a thread on the sale of a music catalog by a musician or estate that doesn't elicit comments of "They're a sellout" or "I don't understand why, surely they don't need the money unless they did something "wrong" like fill in the blank."
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 09:49
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Jan 25, 2022, 09:49
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 25, 2022, 05:02:
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... There actually was a golden age of music ...
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A really brilliant analysis, JD.
It's somewhat similar to the golden age of gaming:
Today, even with easier access to the limelight and better and flashier technologies, there are tons of garbage and too much poor cloning of yesterday's classics.

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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 09:40
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The Half Elf wrote on Jan 25, 2022, 04:34:
Bill Borre wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:07:
I wonder why Sony seems so interested in purchasing the Americana of yesteryear.

Sony if I'm not mistaken has a pretty sizeable collection including Michael Jackson's catalog. Plus they own Columbia Records, RCA Records, Arista Records, Unites Record and Epic Records.
Shush ! Please, at least let's keep Epic out of *this* thread !

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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 09:35
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Jan 25, 2022, 09:35
 
And the creative ones, even the geniuses, will get to be measured, judged and dismissed by the talentless and tasteless.
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 06:38
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Jan 25, 2022, 06:38
 
It takes a lot to laugh, it takes a train to cry.

A much more dignified route over doing 3 shows a day in front of drunk tourists in Vegas.

There is nothing hard to comprehend in "Like a Rolling Stone" or "Bob Dylan's Dream."
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Jan 25, 2022, 05:02
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Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:56:
Bill Borre wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:07:
I wonder why Sony seems so interested in purchasing the Americana of yesteryear.

So they can monetize it and sell it to Boomers and hipsters who like to pretend there was a "golden age" of music.

There actually was a golden age of music, and music has empirically gotten worse:
the researchers took 500,000 recordings of all genres of music between 1955 – 2010. They ran every single song through a complex set of algorithms. These algorithms measured three distinct metrics: (1) timbral diversity; (2) harmonic complexity; and (3) loudness. Here’s what they found:

1. Over the past few decades, the timbre of music has dropped drastically. ... Consequently, all modern pop music sounds the same.

2. Since the 1960s, the melodies, rhythms and vocals of songs have increasingly sounded similar to one another, with many modern pop songs using the exact same sequence of notes in a given key... Why? Because this is a familiar musical sequence that music listeners are comfortable with.

3. For the past 20 years, music producers have been intentionally making songs louder by using compression effects in the studio....This is done to make a song “stand out” among a pack of similar sounding songs – i.e., for competitive purposes. The trade-off is that compression reduces the timbral quality of the song.
The article goes on to give the underlying reasons for why this is: Napster and the internet, lower revenue, risk aversion, high streaming service cuts thanks to a lack of competition. So who did they get rid of to stay out of the red?

in order to cut costs, the record labels got rid of all the A&R execs who were the defacto “ears” and gatekeepers at the record labels. He felt that this was a short-sighted cost-cutting measure because a good A&R exec acted as a filter against the hack musicians and as a scout for the rare artist with real talent. He pointed out to me the direct correlation between the layoffs of A&R execs and the deteriorating quality of music being produced by the recording industry. That is, according to Ted, without the A&R execs, the hack musicians have infiltrated the record labels.
The article doesn't cover this, but most of the great artists from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s were supported through several albums before they reached their peak:

- Zoso (Zep IV) is LZ's 4th album
- The Unforgettable Fire - U2's 4th album
- A Hard Day's Night is the Beatle's 3rd studio album
- Dark Side of the Moon is Pink Floyd's 8th studio album
- Escape is Journey's 7th album,
- Highway to Hell is AC/DC's 6th album
And on and on.

The labels were willing to nurture promising bands through middling quality and sales until they truly blossomed, it's just not like that today. As a result, the imitate-deviate-create process is short-circuited at the imitate stage, and it's not allowed to go further.
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 04:34
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Bill Borre wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:07:
I wonder why Sony seems so interested in purchasing the Americana of yesteryear.

Sony if I'm not mistaken has a pretty sizeable collection including Michael Jackson's catalog. Plus they own Columbia Records, RCA Records, Arista Records, Unites Record and Epic Records.
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Jan 25, 2022, 04:15
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Kxmode wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 21:08:
I don't understand Bob Dylan's lyrics. By that, I mean it sounds like he's started recording after a dentist's visit, and nobody bothered to tell him he still has cotton balls in his mouth.
He did not have a pleasant voice. But his lyrics are amazing. And at least he could carry a melody without relying on Autotune.
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 25, 2022, 04:11
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Bill Borre wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:07:
I wonder why Sony seems so interested in purchasing the Americana of yesteryear.
Car commercials. And beer commercials.
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Jan 24, 2022, 22:12
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Can I get this as a NFT?
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Jan 24, 2022, 21:13
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I'm so happy these geriatric musicians have all won the lottery and are cashing out.
It's a brilliant move on their part.
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 24, 2022, 21:08
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I don't understand Bob Dylan's lyrics. By that, I mean it sounds like he's started recording after a dentist's visit, and nobody bothered to tell him he still has cotton balls in his mouth.
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 24, 2022, 21:07
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Well, I have to say the only reason I would buy any of Bob Dylan's music would be to sell it at a profit. So, I completely understand their motivations.
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Jan 24, 2022, 20:50
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Judas!
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Jan 24, 2022, 19:56
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Bill Borre wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:07:
I wonder why Sony seems so interested in purchasing the Americana of yesteryear.

So they can monetize it and sell it to Boomers and hipsters who like to pretend there was a "golden age" of music.
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Re: ItB: Like a Rolling Stone
Jan 24, 2022, 19:07
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I wonder why Sony seems so interested in purchasing the Americana of yesteryear.
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