Kxmode wrote on Jan 25, 2022, 16:44:Yes Kxmode, also the Steam play next algorithm suggesting games in my inventory works famously.WannaLogAlready wrote on Jan 25, 2022, 11:33:
Well, whatever suits y'all best it's fine.
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Yeah. I see a game that interests me, and it goes into my Wishlist until some future date where it's crazy cheap. I have 1,891. Of that amount, only El Hijo - A Wild West Tale and Jetboard Joust match the 75% or more discount today. I've only ever paid full price for a few launch titles.
You and I are at a state where Steam provides pretty good recommendations. In years, I have not needed to look up a "top 10" article or watch some random YouTube video to find video game buy offers. All thanks to a trained and more intelligent algorithm. 🙂👍
WannaLogAlready wrote on Jan 25, 2022, 11:33:
Well, whatever suits y'all best it's fine.
But it's a matter of interests. To me, liked games are literal joys to treasure, and revisit in time, if able.
I wishlist dozens, waiting patiently for lower prices or sales, for months (or years! no hurry).
I could buy them all outright without feeling it at all, but monkly frugality, etc.
When you were almost destitute as a child you never totally cease to be it.
Just will say that motivated by Kxmode mention of ignoring, I began to do that systematically (some 17900 so far).
The benefits are enormous:
By the enhanced focus you have to apply I found and bought hundreds of games otherwise lost to me.
Till now, when less and less remain to be found, barring novelties and price cuttings.
Sepharo wrote on Jan 25, 2022, 01:19:Personal preferences can't be silly? I'm pretty sure I have some personal preferences some people would think were silly.
What's silly about them? Seemed like more of a personal preference thing.
Do you care that Steam has a bunch of garbage on it? I'd guess no, since you don't browse on Steam but rather prefer to just directly make a purchase you already have in mind (which is usually how I do it as well).Not really. I occasionally glance at recommended games during sales and such. But mostly I am scanning for games I know. So, more of a chance to see something and go, "Oh yeah, I have time for that now" or "Oh, good price!".
And given that's the case, why would you care about the recommendation algo?
I've never used the ignore functionality myself, but the recommendations come from the games I've played and the games my friends have played mostly I'd assume.Yep. Hence it would be silly for you to use the ignore function and scan random game lists, right?
Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 25, 2022, 01:14:What's silly about them? Seemed like more of a personal preference thing.
My angle? I have no angle. I am simply responding to silly statements.
Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 21:06:Kxmode wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 21:01:I don't waste time scrolling through a list of games I know nothing about. You however should feel free to continue to do so.
It doesn't take 22k. I started noticing a difference at around 500 ignores, which was a decade ago. Pretty confident Valve has added a lot more intelligence that kicks in at less (~200 ignores).
Kxmode wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 21:01:I don't waste time scrolling through a list of games I know nothing about. You however should feel free to continue to do so.
It doesn't take 22k. I started noticing a difference at around 500 ignores, which was a decade ago. Pretty confident Valve has added a lot more intelligence that kicks in at less (~200 ignores).
Kxmode wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 20:50:I am the exact opposite of that. You do realize this is a game website, right? I don't buy a game until I know a fair amount about it and I am reasonably certain I will enjoy it. Once that happens, I buy it.
Then you might be the equivalent of a shopper at Fry's who picks up a game from that long checkout aisle because it's there.
Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:38:It doesn't take 22k. I started noticing a difference at around 500 ignores, which was a decade ago. Pretty confident Valve has added a lot more intelligence that kicks in at less (~200 ignores).Kxmode wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:34:I'm going to assume you are correct. But seeing as I doubt I have ever even looked at 1,000 games, bothering to ignore 22k of them seems like way too much of an effort...
People appear too lazy to use Steam's ignore feature (I have 21,986 ignored). If nothing ever gets ignored, Steam's algorithm never trains to show less trash. I don't see that much trash anymore.
Sepharo wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:44:Yup. I was in the same boat of seeing a lot of trash recommendations sometime around 2010/11. Then I started ignoring games on a whim, and after ~500 started noticing less. That's when it hit me that Valve implemented "Bayesian filtering" for their catalog that becomes more intelligent the more training it receives. I can't be one-hundred percent sure that's what it is, but it closely mimics it.
I've found the various Steam recommendation strategies (featured, front page, queue/feed, might be interested in, etc. etc.) to be more helpful than I would have thought.
I've previously said I don't browse, that that's not the way I learn about games that I want to buy... but lately I actually have been turning more that direction, so I guess whatever they're doing is working.
Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:46:Then you might be the equivalent of a shopper at Fry's who picks up a game from that long checkout aisle because it's there. I wishlist and ignore, so there are fewer of those types of games. I used to "follow" games but found that it doesn't work as well as a hard "YES" or "NO" (Wishlist and Ignore, respectively). It's all about teaching Steam how to become more intelligent for you.Kxmode wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:42:Something else I have never done...
That's the same effort it takes to Wishlist something.
Kxmode wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:42:Something else I have never done...
That's the same effort it takes to Wishlist something.
Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:38:People spend more time looking at the game's name, screenshots/movies, info, description, rating, and a couple of reviews. It takes a second to click the "Ignore" button. But they have to put forth "the effort" to do that. That's the same effort it takes to Wishlist something.Kxmode wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:34:I'm going to assume you are correct. But seeing as I doubt I have ever even looked at 1,000 games, bothering to ignore 22k of them seems like way too much of an effort...
People appear too lazy to use Steam's ignore feature (I have 21,986 ignored). If nothing ever gets ignored, Steam's algorithm never trains to show less trash. I don't see that much trash anymore.
Kxmode wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 19:34:I'm going to assume you are correct. But seeing as I doubt I have ever even looked at 1,000 games, bothering to ignore 22k of them seems like way too much of an effort...
People appear too lazy to use Steam's ignore feature (I have 21,986 ignored). If nothing ever gets ignored, Steam's algorithm never trains to show less trash. I don't see that much trash anymore.
Beamer wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 11:20:People appear too lazy to use Steam's ignore feature (I have 21,986 ignored). If nothing ever gets ignored, Steam's algorithm never trains itself to show less trash. I don't see that much trash anymore.Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 10:23:Paragon of Virtue wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 03:51:Gotta ask, what is then? As Tom said, it ain't perfect but it is still the best option.
but Steam is not the best gaming platform around anymore.
Yeah, the complaints people are bringing up here involve navigating huge amounts of crap, and I've yet to see a single digital storefront that allows a wide selection but is easy to navigate. Valve hasn't figured it out, but with even more resources, neither have Apple or Google. Both their stores are actually much, much, much worse than Steam, at that.
Beamer wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 11:18:You're looking way too much into my comment. It's pretty simple. If a person plays a game on Steam, they are likely not playing one on EGS and visa verse. Hence the new concurrent user record. Thus, "Another 967,709 told Epic, 'Nah.'"Kxmode wrote on Jan 23, 2022, 20:02:
Love it. Another 967,709 told Epic, "Nah."
It's weird how you don't realize that most people are capable of using both.
Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 10:23:Paragon of Virtue wrote on Jan 24, 2022, 03:51:Gotta ask, what is then? As Tom said, it ain't perfect but it is still the best option.
but Steam is not the best gaming platform around anymore.