Out of the Blue

We've been experimenting getting by with our electric baseboard heating this winter in the Blue Tower. This is after our wood pellet stove developed problems last year and we decided to roll the dice to see if it was a necessity. The answer for the most part is no. We've been pretty comfortable almost the whole time, and the added heating expense doesn't seem outrageous. But for times like last weekend when the temperatures drop into the single digits (Fahrenheit), it starts to become uncomfortably cold. The good news is such cold snaps are relatively rare in downstate New York. The bad news is the next one is forecast for this week. I may end up getting one of those quartz heaters before then to make this less polar bearable and more just plain bearable.

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Was thinking about some "quality" starting words.. two words containing all the vowels and some common constants: irate, soupy
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Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 19, 2022, 08:24:
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You beat me again.

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RedEye9 wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 21:23:
1badmf wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 21:20:
honestly blue just run a cryptominer on the days it gets really cold. it sounds like your house is well insulated anyway, so it wouldn't need a lot of extra help to get back to tolerable. and you make some money back in the process. the room i keep mine is at least 10 degrees warmer than outside, and that's with keeping the window open
That's a novel approach.
But who wants to listen to a jet engine in their living room.

fully liquid cooled rig my friend. quiet as a whisper.
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1badmf wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 21:20:
honestly blue just run a cryptominer on the days it gets really cold. it sounds like your house is well insulated anyway, so it wouldn't need a lot of extra help to get back to tolerable. and you make some money back in the process. the room i keep mine is at least 10 degrees warmer than outside, and that's with keeping the window open
That's a novel approach.
But who wants to listen to a jet engine in their living room.
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honestly blue just run a cryptominer on the days it gets really cold. it sounds like your house is well insulated anyway, so it wouldn't need a lot of extra help to get back to tolerable. and you make some money back in the process. the room i keep mine is at least 10 degrees warmer than outside, and that's with keeping the window open
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Cutter wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 19:07:
Affordable Geothermal | Future House | Ask This Old House
The neighborhood system is a cool, haven't seen that idea before. The sonic drilling is also cool. But yeah, even with the smaller drilling system in this video, some locations just won't be able to do it.
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Mr. Tact wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 18:01:
For whole house heat pump systems in sub-zero areas you can use geothermal exchange instead of atmosphere exchange. Although installation of a geothermal system in an existing home might be difficult.

Funny you should mention that. On one of the more recent eps of This Old House they showed a company doing vertical geothermal. They were doing it in peoples front yards.

Edit: Actually found the segment on YT. It's a short and interesting watch.
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They live in CT, but near the ocean, so winters and summers are milder.

Dad was talking about moving out here, so we'll see.
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For whole house heat pump systems in sub-zero areas you can use geothermal exchange instead of atmosphere exchange. Although installation of a geothermal system in an existing home might be difficult.
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jdreyer wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 16:44:
RedEye9 wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 15:49:
Blue wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 15:32:
Enahs wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 12:14:
Blue wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 11:40:
No can do. There's an HOA rule against new ones, though if you have one from before the rule you are grandfathered in.

Upgrade to a heat pump. They are super efficient now and you get both heating and cooling from one system. Modern cold weather ones can still extract heat from -12F conditions outside more efficiently than other systems. And they also have backup electric coils for fallback or needing rapid heating.
That's the option that most appeals to me. I need to dig into it to figure out how doable this is considering the land we own behind our unit extends about 6-8 feet and is almost entirely patio. There's room out there for a central air unit, but most heat pump diagrams look to me like they take some land. Apparently they also can make good use of a pond, and we have one of those, but unfortunately it's communal.
Blue,I’m sure you’ve looked at minisplits. They don’t take up much exterior space and they are available with multiple heads.
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Dad and Mom installed a minisplit at their house last year. Looks to be about the size of the small pic you posted: about 3 feet wide, 1.5 feet deep, and 2 feet tall. Sits right out side the basement door in the back yard. Very innocuous and takes up little space. Sits under the roof awning a few inches from the wall to keep it out of the weather.
What's the coldest it gets where they live. And are they happy with how it heats on those cold winter nights.

Now if you brought them to Hawaii to live with y'all there's no need to respond.
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Predjama: The world's largest cave castle

Okay, that looks exactly like the last house I built in Minecraft. You ALWAYS start in the side of a mountain.
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Really excellent video from a plumber on the pros and cons of heating systems. He says heat pumps aren't a good way to go in sub-zero environments. Huh, I did not know that. Hydronic seems the way to go, but it sure is pricey. Probably the way to go in new home construction though.

Heating Systems: Hydronic vs Forced-Air vs Mini-Split
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Re: Scientists Say the Universe Itself May Be “Pixelated.”
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RedEye9 wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 15:49:
Blue wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 15:32:
Enahs wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 12:14:
Blue wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 11:40:
No can do. There's an HOA rule against new ones, though if you have one from before the rule you are grandfathered in.

Upgrade to a heat pump. They are super efficient now and you get both heating and cooling from one system. Modern cold weather ones can still extract heat from -12F conditions outside more efficiently than other systems. And they also have backup electric coils for fallback or needing rapid heating.
That's the option that most appeals to me. I need to dig into it to figure out how doable this is considering the land we own behind our unit extends about 6-8 feet and is almost entirely patio. There's room out there for a central air unit, but most heat pump diagrams look to me like they take some land. Apparently they also can make good use of a pond, and we have one of those, but unfortunately it's communal.
Blue,I’m sure you’ve looked at minisplits. They don’t take up much exterior space and they are available with multiple heads.
Examples
Big
Little
Dad and Mom installed a minisplit at their house last year. Looks to be about the size of the small pic you posted: about 3 feet wide, 1.5 feet deep, and 2 feet tall. Sits right out side the basement door in the back yard. Very innocuous and takes up little space. Sits under the roof awning a few inches from the wall to keep it out of the weather.
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Re: Scientists Say the Universe Itself May Be “Pixelated.”
Jan 18, 2022, 16:36
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Blue wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 15:32:
Enahs wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 12:14:
Blue wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 11:40:
No can do. There's an HOA rule against new ones, though if you have one from before the rule you are grandfathered in.

Upgrade to a heat pump. They are super efficient now and you get both heating and cooling from one system. Modern cold weather ones can still extract heat from -12F conditions outside more efficiently than other systems. And they also have backup electric coils for fallback or needing rapid heating.
That's the option that most appeals to me. I need to dig into it to figure out how doable this is considering the land we own behind our unit extends about 6-8 feet and is almost entirely patio. There's room out there for a central air unit, but most heat pump diagrams look to me like they take some land. Apparently they also can make good use of a pond, and we have one of those, but unfortunately it's communal.
It really depends on the size of the conditioned space and how well insulated things are, etc. I currently have a Trane brand one that is good for a 2300 sq ft reasonably well insulated house that is 37x34x54 inches.. They have gotten smarter in understanding that not everyone has huge spaces, so they are taller than wider. I have also seen multiple mini-split systems (as RedEye9 mentioned) where there was no space, and they were actually mounted hanging off the exterior wall out of the way.

Basically, if you have the money you can get pretty much anything now. But if you have crappy insulation and windows, I personally myself would upgrade those first (if allowed, some old houses the local ordinances do not allow changing of historic windows). But I personally am big into minimizing energy waste. I have one of those whole house energy monitoring systems, and according to both it and my local power company, I use 1/5th the power of similar houses in the area.
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jdreyer wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 15:26:
Finished Station Eleven.
I finished it. It was worth one viewing but I won’t be going back for any story I might have missed.
Highly recommended.
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Bodolza wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 15:27:
Knowing very little about general aviation, for a while I thought the "Sucked out of His Plane" video was serious. Took me a while to figure out it was all a joke.
Yeah, I haven't seen deadpan done that well since Steven Wright was popular.
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Blue wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 15:32:
Enahs wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 12:14:
Blue wrote on Jan 18, 2022, 11:40:
No can do. There's an HOA rule against new ones, though if you have one from before the rule you are grandfathered in.

Upgrade to a heat pump. They are super efficient now and you get both heating and cooling from one system. Modern cold weather ones can still extract heat from -12F conditions outside more efficiently than other systems. And they also have backup electric coils for fallback or needing rapid heating.
That's the option that most appeals to me. I need to dig into it to figure out how doable this is considering the land we own behind our unit extends about 6-8 feet and is almost entirely patio. There's room out there for a central air unit, but most heat pump diagrams look to me like they take some land. Apparently they also can make good use of a pond, and we have one of those, but unfortunately it's communal.
Blue,I’m sure you’ve looked at minisplits. They don’t take up much exterior space and they are available with multiple heads.
Examples
Big
Little
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