Jonjonz wrote on Jan 6, 2022, 06:41:
This needs to get thrown out unless Acti-bastards can show significant financial loss due to the cheating which is highly doubtful.

Please show me a law in any country that outlaws cheating in privately organized games. Since when does government at any level have any concern about how people play games published by fat corporations, other than ones where gambling involving real money is concerned?

They don't need a specific law banning cheating in games, they can simply point to a breach of contract. When you make an account for (almost) any online multiplayer game, you have to accept the Terms of Service (along with the EULA for installing the game in the first place). The ToS is considered a legal contract and every ToS I've seen for an online game has strictly prohibited any form of cheating.

Jonjonz wrote on Jan 6, 2022, 06:41:
This needs to get thrown out unless Acti-bastards can show significant financial loss due to the cheating which is highly doubtful. Please show me a law in any country that outlaws cheating in privately organized games. Since when does government at any level have any concern about how people play games published by fat corporations, other than ones where gambling involving real money is concerned? So if you cheat in a game of softball sponsored by some fat cat corporation, thier lawyers can twist the law to make that punishable by the state?

I'm not saying you have no understanding of what's going on but you have no understanding of what's going on.
Too bad the Warzone Cheat Provider didn't get your legal advice before they shutdown in anticipation of a lawsuit. https://www.bluesnews.com/s/244013/evening-legal-briefs

This needs to get thrown out unless Acti-bastards can show significant financial loss due to the cheating which is highly doubtful.

Please show me a law in any country that outlaws cheating in privately organized games. Since when does government at any level have any concern about how people play games published by fat corporations, other than ones where gambling involving real money is concerned?

So if you cheat in a game of softball sponsored by some fat cat corporation, thier lawyers can twist the law to make that punishable by the state?

So they can either sue cheaters, or make better net code.

Sepharo wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 20:51:

Cutter wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 17:52:

WannaLogAlready wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 16:18:

Cutter wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 12:48:
Start suing people that use them too and watch this nonsense come to a rapid end.

That's as impracticable as prosecuting individuals leeching already uploaded pirated games, movies, etc, man.
Just not feasible.

You don't need to sue them all. Just start bankrupting people here and there and it'll dry up to a trickle. Are you going to cheat in a game if you possibly stand to become broke and homeless by doing so?

I'm just imagining you addressing this question to some dumb ass kid...

Sue his parents. Then we might start seeing some of these mouth-breathing breeders start doing some actual parenting.

Cutter wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 17:52:

WannaLogAlready wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 16:18:

Cutter wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 12:48:
Start suing people that use them too and watch this nonsense come to a rapid end.

That's as impracticable as prosecuting individuals leeching already uploaded pirated games, movies, etc, man.
Just not feasible.

You don't need to sue them all. Just start bankrupting people here and there and it'll dry up to a trickle. Are you going to cheat in a game if you possibly stand to become broke and homeless by doing so?

I'm just imagining you addressing this question to some dumb ass kid...

Bleeder wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 18:20:

The Half Elf wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 11:54:
So Ricochet isn't all it's cracked up to be to stop the cheaters?

Yeah I don't know what people including Craptivision were thinking. Releasing a v1.0 "anticheat" first in the Asian market made it quite easy for those folks to develop workarounds just in time for Ricochet's release in North America and elsewhere.

No matter what part of the Galaxy they released it in first, whomever lived there would have developed workarounds.

The Half Elf wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 11:54:
So Ricochet isn't all it's cracked up to be to stop the cheaters?

Yeah I don't know what people including Craptivision were thinking. Releasing a v1.0 "anticheat" first in the Asian market made it quite easy for those folks to develop workarounds just in time for Ricochet's release in North America and elsewhere.

ActiBlizz, or any other publisher, will never sue their customers. To even suggest as much is folly.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 16:18:

Cutter wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 12:48:
Start suing people that use them too and watch this nonsense come to a rapid end.

That's as impracticable as prosecuting individuals leeching already uploaded pirated games, movies, etc, man.
Just not feasible.

You don't need to sue them all. Just start bankrupting people here and there and it'll dry up to a trickle. Are you going to cheat in a game if you possibly stand to become broke and homeless by doing so?

WannaLogAlready wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 16:18:

Cutter wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 12:48:
Start suing people that use them too and watch this nonsense come to a rapid end.

That's as impracticable as prosecuting individuals leeching already uploaded pirated games, movies, etc, man.
Just not feasible.

Well if you really wanted to prosecute them, making your lawsuit actually happen in the EU where Germany is a part of would be good start no? Tis be illegal here too, but lawsuit in the USA doesn't affect a German UG at all but a local lawsuit would, since only a local judge could find them in violation of the (GMBH related) laws. Which are a German thing the US doesn't have. So even if damages were found, the UG would only be responsible for however much money it has, and NOT the people behind it.

So this is a super dumb move by Activision

Cutter wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 12:48:
Start suing people that use them too and watch this nonsense come to a rapid end.

That's as impracticable as prosecuting individuals leeching already uploaded pirated games, movies, etc, man.
Just not feasible.

The Half Elf wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 11:54:
This is my shocked face.

This is my shocked face

TheBigVlad wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 15:12:
The rampant online cheating makes me glad I'm not into modern competitive FPS games. This is simply an issue I haven't had to deal with since the late '90s when I occasionally ran into aim bots in the Quake games. Sucks for those that play these games. Maybe get better taste in games? I'm kidding!

It would seriously suck to prefer modern competitive FPS games on pc.
I guess the only way to enjoy them would be on console because of less cheaters.

The rampant online cheating makes me glad I'm not into modern competitive FPS games. This is simply an issue I haven't had to deal with since the late '90s when I occasionally ran into aim bots in the Quake games. Sucks for those that play these games. Maybe get better taste in games? I'm kidding!

I am surprised the cheating software company is not from China...

but have yet to sue the guys behind Cronus Zen its a funny PC game that made this article and the guy was pretty pissed of I mentioned Console users can use this pay a one-time fee and never have to worry about getting banned ever. But was still pissed the PC uses only paid 10 bucks for there but failed to mention that 10bucks a month plus a chance to get banned. I part of the reason PC gamer Reviews are so biased if you counter their agenda they get pissy. and at this point I am not sure why I have not paid for it myself because playing against a console user with there aim assist on top of it. It is almost a requirement at this point they sold soo many of them.

I don't think it's possible to stop the cheating, technically. I also believe it has sadly, forever ruined online gaming. And it's not just FPS's that suffer from this, but that's probably the worst hit genre.

I stopped buying FPS's that don't have an incredible single player component, years ago. You can't play a FPS online without running in to cheaters. If you watch pro-gamers playing on Twitch, they run in to them all the time. It's not a "paranoia" thing, which for some people, they do like to call people who are good at the game as cheaters. Rather, it's just clear cheating with aimbots, wall hacks, etc. You can watch the "killcam" replays and see people shooting people across the map who are not visible. Snapping to their exact direction, firing and then repeating. Shooting through walls at targets not visible.

FPS was always my favorite genre. Long gone are the days in the 90's when you could join a server and expect there to not be people cheating. Some did, but it wasn't as easy as it is today where every idiot with an inferiority complex pays for a subscription and activates it with a couple clicks of the mouse.

Start suing people that use them too and watch this nonsense come to a rapid end.

phinn wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 11:40:
I’m actually fine with this. Anything to put pressure on these low life cheaters which is ruining online gaming.

I don't have any issues with cheats for a singleplayer game, but my patience for cheating runs out once it starts impacting other players in the game you're playing.

ActiBlizz is not the first major company going after cheat developers for multiplayer games, and from my recollection previous efforts have worked out reasonably well for the companies. I expect some sort of monetary award in the range of whatever the cheat devs earned from sales of their cheats (and possibly from ads on their site) and some sort of punitive award along with an injunction against making further cheats. There almost certainly won't be any jail time involved unless some of the cheat devs have (suspended) convictions for something else or are already under an injunction against making cheats.