NVIDIA CES Announcements Include RTX 3090 Ti

NVIDIA's big reveal for CES is the official announcement of GeForce RTX 3090 Ti GPUs, though details won't arrive until next month. According to CNET: "The company didn't offer many details about the chip other than to say it bests the company's earlier $1,499 RTX 3090. 'A monster GPU,' Nvidia SVP Jeff Fisher said while announcing the device, which he called Nvidia's 'next B-F-GPU'." NVIDIA also announces new RTX 3080 Ti and RTX 3070 Ti laptop GPUs powering over 160 new GeForce RTX 30-series laptops. These will add a wide variety of new hardware to consumers' often futile searches. The RTX 3080 Ti laptop GPU promises higher performance than the desktop TITAN RTX in laptops starting at USD$2,499. The GeForce RTX 3070 Ti is up to 70 percent faster than RTX 2070 SUPER laptops and start at $1,499. NVIDIA also announces new entry level GeForce RTX 3050 cards will (theoretically) go on sale later this month, a new category of 1440p esports displays, and RTX support for 10 More Games. Here's a The Day Before Official GeForce RTX 4K Gameplay Reveal Trailer and here are more details:
At CES 2022, the tech industry’s biggest trade show, we’re announcing that RTX technologies are coming to The Day Before, Rainbow Six Extraction, Escape From Tarkov, SUPER PEOPLE, Hitman III, Voidtrain, The Anacrusis, Phantasy Star Online 2 New Genesis, Ratten Reich, and Midnight Ghost Hunt.
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PHJF wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 09:58:
Alternately, developers who know that higher quality hardware isn't available will stop pushing the tech as hard, as nobody can afford to buy and play what they have.

Pretty sure this is already the case. Cards like the 970 have been viable for far longer than they should have been.
I think the only "issue" I have with my 1080ti is that it lacks RTX. I think that would be a fun thing to play with, especially in older games like Quake and Minecraft. But usually I don't really think about it.
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VaranDragon wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 01:39:
The price inflation on these things is getting ridiculous. The thing is, they can get away with it. People will still buy them up. Miners are a given, which creates demand with gamers and drives the prices up even further.

I think some good old fashioned state intervention is necessary, not only in consumer graphics card chip prices, but in all chip prices. It's a radical idea, but the only one that will stop the rampant inflation and greed of the chip manufacturing corporations taking advantage of the consumers.
Part of the problem is the massive amount of consolidation in so many industries. So many are now duopolies or triopolies, so there's little competition. There may not be outright collusion, but when one company makes a pricing change, the others follow suit, maintaining the market share status quo, but also benefitting from the larger profit margins. Innovation stagnates as well.
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Kxmode wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 00:37:
Hanley wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 19:19:
$1,499 RTX 3090

Hahaha!

Good one. They're $3000USD on average in stores where I live.

I bet all of this is going to set a ridiculous price precedent for years to come.
In 2019, I bought my 2080 Ti founder's edition off of Nvidia's store for USD 1,400 shipped. I remember many of you gave me flak, saying I wasted my money and should have waited for the 3XXX series. But now, seeing brand new 1080 TIs selling for USD 1K and more makes me think I made the right decision.

I sold my 1080 Ti to jdryer for $270 shipped. Hope it's still humming along, J.
Working great, thanks!
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Simon Says wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 22:41:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 21:20:
There's a five million home shortfall in the US currently. That's the big driver of both housing prices and rent.

Quite the contrary, there are ~15 million unoccupied housing units in the US, Q3 2021 estimates.

Which means a bit less than 10% vacancy rate.

Source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EVACANTUSQ176N
How to reconcile with this report? Housing production has been behind historical averages for a decade. Demand has been outstripping supply for the past 15 years, causing prices to spike 2-3x inflation for the same period. There's definitely a shortage. Perhaps a lot of those are second or third homes not made available for rent by the owner. Or perhaps they are in urban Detroit or Baltimore where few wish to live.

U.S. Housing Market Needs 5.5 Million More Units, Says New Report
Construction of new homes in the last two decades lagged behind historical levels, contributing to a recent surge in home prices

Construction of new housing in the past 20 years fell 5.5 million units short of long-term historical levels, according to a new National Association of Realtors report, which is calling for a “once-in-a-generation” policy response.

The industry lobbying group said it hopes the report, which was released Wednesday, persuades lawmakers to include housing investments in any infrastructure package.

U.S. builders added 1.225 million new housing units, on average, each year from 2001 to 2020, according to the report, which was prepared for NAR by Rosen Consulting Group LLC. That figure is down from an annual average of 1.5 million new units from 1968 to 2000.

The 5.5 million-unit deficit includes about two million single-family homes, 1.1 million units in buildings with two to four units and 2.4 million units in buildings of at least five units, the report says.

“The scale of the problem is so large,” said David Bank, senior vice president of Rosen Consulting Group and one of the report’s authors. “We need affordable [housing], we need market-rate, we need single-family, we need multifamily.”

The report also says that from 2010 to 2020, new-home construction fell 6.8 million units short of what was needed to meet household-formation growth and replace units that were aging or destroyed by natural disasters.

Limited supply has been a recent driver of rising housing prices for renters and home buyers, alongside robust demand. The median existing-home price rose 19% from a year earlier to $341,600 in April, a record high, according to NAR.

The supply shortage became especially acute in the past year. Builders slowed construction in some regions last spring and delayed land purchases because of the Covid-19 pandemic. In addition, low mortgage-interest rates and an increase in remote work led to a surge in demand for single-family housing. And many homeowners delayed or canceled plans to list their homes for sale.


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RedEye9 wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 12:29:
theglaze wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 12:24:
I do not understand why manufacturers like Asus, GB, Acer, etc have not taken the internals out of their laptops, and slapped them into a slim desktop SFF chassis. Remove the screen and keyboard, just need a slick mini-tower. Entry-level gamers can easily be satisfied with integrated GPUs delivered through small and practical desktops.
Nvidia and AMD probably forbid it.
And even if the GPU is integral to the motherboard it's still a discreet device.
Who knows how the supply chain and contracts are configured; I'm speaking to the practicality of using the laptop platform in a different form factor. It would be more attractive to the 'mainstream' gamers who can't get a new console or want entry level to PC, who have never built a computer before, or view electronics as a consumable rather than an upgradable platform. Miners won't buy these platforms because the cost to hashing ratio will be unattractive. And the 'hardcore' PC gamers who desire the features/performance of a dedicated video card won't be competing against these people bored in a pandemic (with money to spend) and willing to buy expensive pre-builds. Furthermore, I can't speak to global markets, but laptops with RTX 30 series have been regularly available (compared to desktop variants)... suggesting that supply is exceeding demand for gaming laptops.

Look. I fixed the GPU shortage. If only I had more influence than the Blue's forums...
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VaranDragon wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 01:39:
The price inflation on these things is getting ridiculous. The thing is, they can get away with it. People will still buy them up. Miners are a given, which creates demand with gamers and drives the prices up even further.

I think some good old fashioned state intervention is necessary, not only in consumer graphics card chip prices, but in all chip prices. It's a radical idea, but the only one that will stop the rampant inflation and greed of the chip manufacturing corporations taking advantage of the consumers.

Yeah, good luck with that. The same governments that were incapable of keeping people from hoarding toilet paper during a pandemic. And that's an easy fix.
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theglaze wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 12:24:
I do not understand why manufacturers like Asus, GB, Acer, etc have not taken the internals out of their laptops, and slapped them into a slim desktop SFF chassis. Remove the screen and keyboard, just need a slick mini-tower. Entry-level gamers can easily be satisfied with integrated GPUs delivered through small and practical desktops.
Nvidia and AMD probably forbid it.
And even if the GPU is integral to the motherboard it's still a discreet device.
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I do not understand why manufacturers like Asus, GB, Acer, etc have not taken the internals out of their laptops, and slapped them into a slim desktop SFF chassis. Remove the screen and keyboard, just need a slick mini-tower. Entry-level gamers can easily be satisfied with integrated GPUs delivered through small and practical desktops.

edit - Heck, they're sticking 3080m in some laptops. Vega and Xe are good enough for 1080p60fps in most mainstream games.
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Earlyworm wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 05:19:
If all goes well, then Ethereum will go full proof-of-stake this summer and the market will be flooded with old mining cards.
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Alternately, developers who know that higher quality hardware isn't available will stop pushing the tech as hard, as nobody can afford to buy and play what they have.

Pretty sure this is already the case. Cards like the 970 have been viable for far longer than they should have been.
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I really don't care. They've pushed me out of the market.

But they do have a reason to lower the prices. If they don't become competitive, one of two things could happen that could really hurt them in the long run:
1. They could end up killing their market in several different ways. If people can't afford the hobby anymore, they change hobbies and suddenly PC gaming becomes an even tinier portion of the already niche market. Alternately, developers who know that higher quality hardware isn't available will stop pushing the tech as hard, as nobody can afford to buy and play what they have.
2. They are leaving a huge demand unfulfilled. That's how you create new competitors. If a new company (or, more likely, an existing company in other tech - say, Logitech or Corsair) launched a new line of cards that actually did limit mining performance and sold at 'normal' prices, they could potentially steal the market away from the big names before they had a chance to course-correct. Hell, I could see Facebook doing it through their Oculus brand.

Of course, the big bucks are still the mass sales that come along with supplying a console manufacturer.
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The only reason this card exists is to stick it to AMD. The reality is, it's only taking resources away from making the 3080 which is the only Nvidia card anyone wants (at MSRP).
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If all goes well, then Ethereum will go full proof-of-stake this summer and the market will be flooded with old mining cards.
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Why change prices? They can get even higher prices from miners and a few rich gamers. After all, those companies are not about gaming, they are about making money and then making more money.
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The price inflation on these things is getting ridiculous. The thing is, they can get away with it. People will still buy them up. Miners are a given, which creates demand with gamers and drives the prices up even further.

I think some good old fashioned state intervention is necessary, not only in consumer graphics card chip prices, but in all chip prices. It's a radical idea, but the only one that will stop the rampant inflation and greed of the chip manufacturing corporations taking advantage of the consumers.
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Kxmode wrote on Jan 5, 2022, 00:37:
Hanley wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 19:19:
$1,499 RTX 3090

Hahaha!

Good one. They're $3000USD on average in stores where I live.

I bet all of this is going to set a ridiculous price precedent for years to come.

I bought my NVIDIA 2080 Ti founder's edition 2019 of Nvidia's store for USD 1,400 shipped. I remember many of you gave me flak, saying I wasted my money and should have waited for the 3XXX series. But now, seeing brand new 1080 TIs selling for USD 1K and more makes me think I made the right decision.

I sold my 1080 Ti to jdryer for like $270 shipped. Hope it's still humming along J.

Same! I bought my 2080ti around the same time as you, copped a bit of flak from mates for paying $1400 AUD, but i can now sell it for the same price used!

Not that i'd want to, there's nothing really worthwhile to upgrade to. Plus it still handles most games on ultra at 3440x1440 at 90+ fps on average.

/shrug

Looks like i'll be sticking with my current PC config for a while to come.
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Hanley wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 19:19:
$1,499 RTX 3090

Hahaha!

Good one. They're $3000USD on average in stores where I live.

I bet all of this is going to set a ridiculous price precedent for years to come.
In 2019, I bought my 2080 Ti founder's edition off of Nvidia's store for USD 1,400 shipped. I remember many of you gave me flak, saying I wasted my money and should have waited for the 3XXX series. But now, seeing brand new 1080 TIs selling for USD 1K and more makes me think I made the right decision.

I sold my 1080 Ti to jdryer for $270 shipped. Hope it's still humming along, J.
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[VG]Reagle wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 22:45:
Thank you nvidia gods for the latest in bitcoin mining tech. Pump that CO2!!! Global warming is fir newbs!

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Thank you nvidia gods for the latest in bitcoin mining tech. Pump that CO2!!! Global warming is fir newbs!
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