eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 17:31:

RedEye9 wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:47:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:37:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:07:
Also BOP you gained a lot of admiration from my side so don't take this wrong, I am just baffled you wouldn't know that SSID spec and reality are 2 very sad things that rarely if ever meet together, and if they do it's usually a great depression. Working from home has gained me a great inside view on the horrible state of consumer printers. Where I wanted to move my printer to my work place in summer and couldn't connect to my WIFI.. yeah. That is a thing ;/

No offense taken, amigo. No one knows everything and anyone who says they do is not just a liar, but a damned liar. I just know that "Master Control Program" has worked so far without any issue. Please also note that I don't use a lot of "home" grade equipment for my infrastructure. Most enterprise gear adheres to standards pretty closely (Except you, Cisco. Fuck you). So my knowledge is based more on the enterprise side of things.

I don't print from a tablet or a phone. Never have and never had the need to. I don't see that as a forthcoming issue, either. Mrs. Burrito used to be the heaviest printer user in the house due to her tax and accounting business and that was all done on a PC.

Good to know that my Motorola $150 android phone and the cheapest 10 inch iPad are classified as industrial gear. The iPad had no problem connecting to the Motorola cheap phone that had spaces in its SSID.
Maybe don’t buy dirt ass cheap shit HP printers And you’ll be able to connect to spec standard SSID Wi-Fi hotspots.
/micro rant

But do you even own a printer?

Several. They're all wired.👍

Remember what started all this was the incorrect blanket statement "Well firstly you can't name your WiFI with spaces."

RedEye9 wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:47:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:37:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:07:
Also BOP you gained a lot of admiration from my side so don't take this wrong, I am just baffled you wouldn't know that SSID spec and reality are 2 very sad things that rarely if ever meet together, and if they do it's usually a great depression. Working from home has gained me a great inside view on the horrible state of consumer printers. Where I wanted to move my printer to my work place in summer and couldn't connect to my WIFI.. yeah. That is a thing ;/

No offense taken, amigo. No one knows everything and anyone who says they do is not just a liar, but a damned liar. I just know that "Master Control Program" has worked so far without any issue. Please also note that I don't use a lot of "home" grade equipment for my infrastructure. Most enterprise gear adheres to standards pretty closely (Except you, Cisco. Fuck you). So my knowledge is based more on the enterprise side of things.

I don't print from a tablet or a phone. Never have and never had the need to. I don't see that as a forthcoming issue, either. Mrs. Burrito used to be the heaviest printer user in the house due to her tax and accounting business and that was all done on a PC.

Good to know that my Motorola $150 android phone and the cheapest 10 inch iPad are classified as industrial gear. The iPad had no problem connecting to the Motorola cheap phone that had spaces in its SSID.
Maybe don’t buy dirt ass cheap shit HP printers And you’ll be able to connect to spec standard SSID Wi-Fi hotspots.
/micro rant

But do you even own a printer?

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:37:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:07:
Also BOP you gained a lot of admiration from my side so don't take this wrong, I am just baffled you wouldn't know that SSID spec and reality are 2 very sad things that rarely if ever meet together, and if they do it's usually a great depression. Working from home has gained me a great inside view on the horrible state of consumer printers. Where I wanted to move my printer to my work place in summer and couldn't connect to my WIFI.. yeah. That is a thing ;/

No offense taken, amigo. No one knows everything and anyone who says they do is not just a liar, but a damned liar. I just know that "Master Control Program" has worked so far without any issue. Please also note that I don't use a lot of "home" grade equipment for my infrastructure. Most enterprise gear adheres to standards pretty closely (Except you, Cisco. Fuck you). So my knowledge is based more on the enterprise side of things.

I don't print from a tablet or a phone. Never have and never had the need to. I don't see that as a forthcoming issue, either. Mrs. Burrito used to be the heaviest printer user in the house due to her tax and accounting business and that was all done on a PC.

Good to know that my Motorola $150 android phone and the cheapest 10 inch iPad are classified as industrial gear. The iPad had no problem connecting to the Motorola cheap phone that had spaces in its SSID.
Maybe don’t buy dirt ass cheap shit HP printers And you’ll be able to connect to spec standard SSID Wi-Fi hotspots.
/micro rant

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:07:
Also BOP you gained a lot of admiration from my side so don't take this wrong, I am just baffled you wouldn't know that SSID spec and reality are 2 very sad things that rarely if ever meet together, and if they do it's usually a great depression. Working from home has gained me a great inside view on the horrible state of consumer printers. Where I wanted to move my printer to my work place in summer and couldn't connect to my WIFI.. yeah. That is a thing ;/

No offense taken, amigo. No one knows everything and anyone who says they do is not just a liar, but a damned liar. I just know that "Master Control Program" has worked so far without any issue. Please also note that I don't use a lot of "home" grade equipment for my infrastructure. Most enterprise gear adheres to standards pretty closely (Except you, Cisco. Fuck you). So my knowledge is based more on the enterprise side of things.

I don't print from a tablet or a phone. Never have and never had the need to. I don't see that as a forthcoming issue, either. Mrs. Burrito used to be the heaviest printer user in the house due to her tax and accounting business and that was all done on a PC.

Ya. Spray foam here as well. Fortunately I could cable before the insulation was sprayed, but it's a pain to deal with afterwards, as I had to with the extra runs.

That foam is amazing. They're only just starting to use it here in Central FL. I was really afraid of what my electric bill was going to be, considering the high ceilings, and my wife's preference to freeze down the master suite, but that foam insulation is wonderful.

The Flying Penguin wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:00:
<snipping for brevity>

Fairly recent photo of the pantry panel:
https://www.pcabusers.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=367099#p367099

That's a very nice setup. Unfortunately, this house has closed cell, dense, spray in foam insulation. It's great to keep the house at a reasonable temperature but it made running cables a total pain in the ass so I had to design it around an MVP model. The next house will have conduit with plenum cabling for easy runs and swap out as needed.

Also hard-wiring printers is all nice and good.. but then how do you print from your tablet?

In my case both my HP Color laser, and my wife's Epson inkjet, are hardwired to the network. I can print to either one via it's static IP from my Surface Pro tablet or laptop connected to the trusted Wifi network. Never had a need to print from a phone or Android tablet.

Four access points to cover the whole house seamlessly (same SSIDs so most devices will latch on to the closest one). It's a big house. I used some software I got on sale at Boing Boing that lets you make a 'heatmap' of your Wifi coverage by walking around the house with a laptop running it. It let me tweak the access point locations. I suffered with a hodge podge of mixed access points and dead spots in the old house and I did not want the same problem here.

I posted some info on that heatmap software and a screenshot of my house's map here. It worked very well:
https://www.pcabusers.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=63021

The Flying Penguin wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 15:00:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 14:06:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 12:46:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 10:00:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 05:28:
Well firstly you can't name your WiFI with spaces, and secondly mine is Children_of_the_Atom
Because why not ;p

Also makes it really easy to find when you have to connect something new. I guess that's the whole point

I love it when people tell me I can't do something I am already doing.

Not only can you put spaces in your wifi name, you can also use emojis in it. See this for an example of both.

And here I thought you know about IT stuff. I am shocked, SHOCKED.

The age old joke still applies (as recent as 2022)

Now connect your printer to it…

Uh, no. Not in my house. Literally everything in my house that is capable of doing so is hard wired. Before I moved in to this joint, I had Cat6a ran to every room where I needed a connection with the terminus in my office. Wifi at my house exists only as a courtesy for people's phones and tablets. It's on its own separate VLAN which only goes out and cannot connect to anything internally.

I mean, I do know a little about IT. ✌

A man after my own heart.
Yeah, same here. When we built the new house four years ago, CAT6 everywhere (every room has at least 2 jacks), several in my office alone and the server closet in my office. Main termination is in the pantry where I made a commercial style wall panel for all the network, phone, and CCTV equipment. Ten foot ceiling so it's all above the pantry shelves which made the wife acquiesce.

After the electrician ran all the cables, before they put up the drywall, I climbed up there and rerouted all the network cabling away from light fixtures to avoid electrical noise.

Everything is hardwired. Two wifi networks: One trusted for our phones and tablets, one untrusted for guests on it's own isolated LAN. Comcast modem is in bridged mode, and I used my own pfSense gateway.

My only regret is not adding more jacks. After the fact I decided to run the CCTV feed via HDMI over ethernet to all the TVs, and I didn't want it sharing the main network, so wound having to run some extra cable later.

No plan survives the first encounter with the enemy...

Fairly recent photo of the pantry panel:
https://www.pcabusers.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=367099#p367099

Man I really REALLY wish I could have done that here.. as it stands, I have to suffer the printer manufacturers, in fact, not following the SSID spec... like at all. One of my Canon printers can't even connect if there are any normal ascii signs, it only works with numbers and letters - my HP printer threw itself to pieces when I changed my SSID to something longer than 20 characters.. yeah, that's the state of absurdity we are talking about here So excuse my grim-dark view on this topic heh.

Also hard-wiring printers is all nice and good.. but then how do you print from your tablet?

Also BOP you gained a lot of admiration from my side so don't take this wrong, I am just baffled you wouldn't know that SSID spec and reality are 2 very sad things that rarely if ever meet together, and if they do it's usually a great depression. Working from home has gained me a great inside view on the horrible state of consumer printers. Where I wanted to move my printer to my work place in summer and couldn't connect to my WIFI.. yeah. That is a thing ;/

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 14:06:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 12:46:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 10:00:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 05:28:
Well firstly you can't name your WiFI with spaces, and secondly mine is Children_of_the_Atom
Because why not ;p

Also makes it really easy to find when you have to connect something new. I guess that's the whole point

I love it when people tell me I can't do something I am already doing.

Not only can you put spaces in your wifi name, you can also use emojis in it. See this for an example of both.

And here I thought you know about IT stuff. I am shocked, SHOCKED.

The age old joke still applies (as recent as 2022)

Now connect your printer to it…

Uh, no. Not in my house. Literally everything in my house that is capable of doing so is hard wired. Before I moved in to this joint, I had Cat6a ran to every room where I needed a connection with the terminus in my office. Wifi at my house exists only as a courtesy for people's phones and tablets. It's on its own separate VLAN which only goes out and cannot connect to anything internally.

I mean, I do know a little about IT. ✌

A man after my own heart.
Yeah, same here. When we built the new house four years ago, CAT6 everywhere (every room has at least 2 jacks), several in my office alone and the server closet in my office. Main termination is in the pantry where I made a commercial style wall panel for all the network, phone, and CCTV equipment. Ten foot ceiling so it's all above the pantry shelves which made the wife acquiesce.

After the electrician ran all the cables, before they put up the drywall, I climbed up there and rerouted all the network cabling away from the inset light fixtures to avoid electrical noise from LED bulbs.

Everything is hardwired. Two Wifi networks: One trusted for our phones and tablets, one untrusted for guests on it's own isolated VLAN. Comcast modem is in bridged mode with Wifi disabled, and I used my own NetGate pfSense gateway. Commercial grade Comtrend access points.

My only regret is not adding more network jacks originally. After the fact I decided to run the CCTV feed via HDMI over ethernet to all the TVs, and I didn't want it sharing the main network (lack of trust), so wound having to run some extra cable later, all back to it's own dedicated 5 port switch with no physical connection to the Internet.

No plan survives the first encounter with the enemy...

Fairly recent photo of the pantry panel:
https://www.pcabusers.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=367099#p367099

This comment was edited on Jan 4, 2022, 15:10.

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 12:46:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 10:00:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 05:28:
Well firstly you can't name your WiFI with spaces, and secondly mine is Children_of_the_Atom
Because why not ;p

Also makes it really easy to find when you have to connect something new. I guess that's the whole point

I love it when people tell me I can't do something I am already doing.

Not only can you put spaces in your wifi name, you can also use emojis in it. See this for an example of both.

And here I thought you know about IT stuff. I am shocked, SHOCKED.

The age old joke still applies (as recent as 2022)

Now connect your printer to it…

Uh, no. Not in my house. Literally everything in my house that is capable of doing so is hard wired. Before I moved in to this joint, I had Cat6a ran to every room where I needed a connection with the terminus in my office. Wifi at my house exists only as a courtesy for people's phones and tablets. It's on its own separate VLAN which only goes out and cannot connect to anything internally.

I mean, I do know a little about IT. ✌

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 10:00:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 05:28:
Well firstly you can't name your WiFI with spaces, and secondly mine is Children_of_the_Atom
Because why not ;p

Also makes it really easy to find when you have to connect something new. I guess that's the whole point

I love it when people tell me I can't do something I am already doing.

Not only can you put spaces in your wifi name, you can also use emojis in it. See this for an example of both.

And here I thought you know about IT stuff. I am shocked, SHOCKED.

The age old joke still applies (as recent as 2022)

Now connect your printer to it…

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 10:00:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 05:28:
Well firstly you can't name your WiFI with spaces, and secondly mine is Children_of_the_Atom
Because why not ;p

Also makes it really easy to find when you have to connect something new. I guess that's the whole point

I love it when people tell me I can't do something I am already doing.

Not only can you put spaces in your wifi name, you can also use emojis in it. See this for an example of both.

found it
https://medium.com/@bcjordan/emojify-your-wi-fi-c01f4ac0b0ab

That's a cool topic.🆒💨

This comment was edited on Jan 4, 2022, 10:57.

Hey BoP, try this one on for size.
"You can't game on Linux".

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 05:28:
Well firstly you can't name your WiFI with spaces, and secondly mine is Children_of_the_Atom
Because why not ;p

Also makes it really easy to find when you have to connect something new. I guess that's the whole point

I love it when people tell me I can't do something I am already doing.

Not only can you put spaces in your wifi name, you can also use emojis in it. See this for an example of both.

eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 4, 2022, 05:28:
Well firstly you can't name your WiFI with spaces,

The thread started by somebody commenting about naming the "hot spot on my phone" which definitely can and does allow spaces.

Also the specification for naming Wi-Fi SSID's allows for spaces.
That does not mean all router manufacturers follow the spec.

This comment was edited on Jan 4, 2022, 09:29.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Jan 3, 2022, 14:11:
I just name mine "Master Control Program". It's vaguely ominous to those who think Farcebook is the Internet.

Well firstly you can't name your WiFI with spaces, and secondly mine is Children_of_the_Atom
Because why not ;p

Also makes it really easy to find when you have to connect something new. I guess that's the whole point

Mine is NSAPRISM. Thinking I should change it to BACON. "Best All-around Club of Nerds" I'm the only member.

6 Ways to Delete Yourself From the Internet (may require registration or subscription).

So I have to register for a website in order to find out how to delete myself from the internet? That sounds counterproductive.

I just name mine "Master Control Program". It's vaguely ominous to those who think Farcebook is the Internet.

The Silence of the LANs wasn't on the list!