Getting my Moderna booster tomorrow after work, and because of how sick I got from my second shot, I'm taking Friday off of work. I tried to get the booster on a Friday, but apparently my pharmacy only does Moderna shots on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

And this time I'm starting on the ibuprofen (fever reducer) as soon as I wake up. Hopefully I can keep ahead of it a little bit this time.

Cutter wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 17:46:
Did you know Germans keep their eggs on shelves in supermarkets? I admit that really weirded me out. How do they stay fresh? They're strange people In some ways. Their pedantry for rules following is quite bizarre. It happens in all manner of things. The most common example would be jaywalking.

They're standing on corners waiting for the amplemenschen to change color and there isn't a car in sight. So I go, as we do at home, and always get a bunch of dirty looks.

"In the United States, it’s more than a food safety recommendation that eggs be refrigerated – it’s the law. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) determined that the best way to fight Salmonella contamination is by sanitizing the eggs before they reach the consumer. The washing process removes contaminants, but it also removes the natural coating of the egg, leaving the shell porous." source

The obvious answer is countries outside of the U.S. don't sanitize and wash their eggs, thereby never disturbing the natural coating of the egg. This begs the question, are organic eggs in the U.S. subject to the same sanitization and washing process, and if not, why are they not on non-refrigerated store shelves.

The answer to that might relate to behavior; specifically how American's see eggs. For example, a French cheesemaker struggled to sell their product to Americans. So they went to a marketing guru named Dr. Clotaire Rapaille, and he told them they were not marketing their product correctly, and he explains why. "In France, the cheese is alive," says Dr. Rapaille. "You never put the cheese in the refrigerator because you don't put your cat in the refrigerator. It's the same -- it's alive. If I know that in America, the cheese is dead -- and I've been studying cheeses in almost 50 states in America; I can tell you, the cheese is dead everywhere -- then I have to put that upfront. I have to say, 'this cheese is safe, is pasteurized, is wrapped up in plastic.' I know the plastic is a body bag. You can put it in the fridge. I know the fridge is the morgue -- that's where you put the dead bodies, eh? And so once you know that, this is the way you market cheese in America." (source beginning at 35:02)

Did you know Germans keep their eggs on shelves in supermarkets? I admit that really weirded me out. How do they stay fresh? They're strange people In some ways. Their pedantry for rules following is quite bizarre. It happens in all manner of things. The most common example would be jaywalking.

They're standing on corners waiting for the amplemenschen to change color and there isn't a car in sight. So I go, as we do at home, and always get a bunch of dirty looks.

Yeah you can't be too careful. Even masked up 95% of the time here I still picked up a cold in Venice. And of course the moment you start feeling shitty you're thinking 'Fuck! I got the COVID!' Well in Italy you're thinking 'Cazzo! Ho il COVID!'

I'll deffo be lining up a booster as soon as I get back.

Bent wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 15:10:
Hm. Some contradictory information is now starting to show up regarding how Omicron infection
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It will take weeks before we have reliable information about the latest mutation.

Hm. Some contradictory information is now starting to show up regarding how Omicron infection tends to go unvaccinated people.

Although vaccinated people tend to be fine, some of the reports claim that Omicron is a bit more infectious than the other variants in unvaccinated people. The new contradictory ones also claim that Omicron infections in the unvaccinated have a high chance of developing serious symptoms. That contradicts other reports.

Ugh. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait until much more data piles in.

Wife and I got the Moderns booster a week ago (had the two shot Moderna course originally back in April). Both of us were sick for a day. We were fine for the 10 hours after the shot, before going to sleep. Low grade fever, chills while sleeping, massive headache during the next day. Wife had it worse - she couldn't hold down food for a day. We spent the day binge watching TV shows. At least we know we got the real deal and not a syringe full of saline

I would highly recommend making no plans for the next day, and expect to stay in bed. Better to plan for it just in case.

Glad to have it done, though, especially with Omicron out there. Debating whether to get a booster for my 98 year old Dad. He was going to get it the following week until he saw how sick the wife and I got, so he's putting it off for now. To be fair, he never leaves the house and we take precautions not to bring it home to him.

FYI: People wonder why the severe side effects (not just covid but even flu shots). It's your body's own reaction to what it thinks is a viral infection. The fever, chills, and headache is not caused by the vaccine, or even the virus if you get infected. They are caused by your own immune system. A fever is the way the body fights an infection. It raises the body temp to make your body a hostile environment to the virus, but it also makes you feel lousy. That's why most people don't have much of a reaction to the first shot - your body doesn't recognize the first one as an attack yet, unless you've already had covid. People also vary in their reactions. I never get sick from flu shots, but they always knock my wife down for a day.
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Yeah those early reports on Omicron are encouraging. More transmissible, but may not make you as sick. It'll be a month or more before they can reverse engineer the mutations to see what they're really doing, but hopefully we can avoid another major hit to the economy.
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Dr. Oz, the King of quackery, a running for Senator? Just when I thought we were at peak stupid.

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Huh, new report out of Africa says that 80% of Omicron cases have zero symptoms.

Combined with the relative mildness of the Omicron cases, it would be weird if this ended up being sort of like a spreading booster shot.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 13:59:
First confirmed U.S. case of Omicron variant detected in California

Mr. Tact wrote on Nov 26, 2021, 18:15:
Yeah, the moment I saw it was in Belgium (ie.. Europe) I was like, "Yelp, that's effectively world-wide." I give the over/under of it being seen the USA at one week (take the under).

Nailed it!

Well, at least there's some sort of encouraging early reports about the new Omicron virus variant.

An early report out of South Africa claims that the cases tend to be relatively mild. Another early report out of Israel says that the vaccines worked for all 4 of the patients that they found. There certainly needs to be a whole lot more data gathered before we really know much, though.

It's definitely better than than if those 4 cases had gone the other way.

I found that taking an aspirin before going to sleep after getting one of the shots goes a long way towards reducing the side effects.

Edit: Even better news coming in constantly as data is updated. Pfizer seems very effective so far.

This comment was edited on Dec 1, 2021, 14:23.

RedEye9 wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 13:59:

jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:39:
Maybe I'll start a website featuring famous people that got the booster shot and didn't die. I could call it "Not Sorry Pro-Vaxxer." I wonder if Blue will let me profile him.

First confirmed U.S. case of Omicron variant detected in California

Omicron Prime

jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:39:
Maybe I'll start a website featuring famous people that got the booster shot and didn't die. I could call it "Not Sorry Pro-Vaxxer." I wonder if Blue will let me profile him.

First confirmed U.S. case of Omicron variant detected in California

jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 13:19:

Burrito of Peace wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:56:

jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:38:
Only nine rounds? I'm surprised the officer didn't get cited for not using enough force.

It was probably the full load the magazine was capable of holding.
Just another insecure, frightened manchild being a murderer with a badge.

Yeah, not sure what his service weapon is/was, but most police use the Glock 22 which holds either 15 or 22 rounds.

He obviously held some rounds in reserve because of TPD’s "8 Can't Wait” Zero Use of Force Project.

Policy

• Any use of force must be lawful, reasonable, proportionate, and not the result of provocation.
• Officers have a duty to intervene to stop excessive force by another officer.

Training

• Officers are trained in de-escalation tactics: lowering the temperature of an interaction to reduce the need for physical confrontation.
• Officers are sworn to protect life, ...

https://www.tucsonaz.gov/police/tpd-progressive-police-department

I got Moderna all three times. First two the only reaction I had was a sore deltoid muscle. The booster I thought I was fine. I got it at 9 am and operated normally all day with only a slight soreness in my deltoid muscle. But then when I went to bed at 10 pm I got chills -- I couldn't get warm under my covers. Ended up getting out of bed and putting on some additional clothes and then getting back into bed, which was sufficient. Then about 4 am I woke up and was overheating so I removed the extra cloths and things seemed fine.

Krapalicious wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:51:
My first two COVID-19 vaccines were Pfizer. When I got my booster last week, I chose Moderna. Actually, the nurses asked me if Moderna was okay, I said "sure, whatever." lol

I didn't feel much or very little side effects after my Pfizer shots. But, the day after my Moderna booster, I got a big headache and really bad vertigo. I had to work that day, so I wasn't really able to do much. Luckily, 2 things -- 1) I was in the office by myself because everyone in the office is WFH and 2) it was the day before Thanksgiving, so nothing much was going on anyways.

It wasn't until I got home and took some aspirin before I started feeling better.

I was fine after the first jab, but it took a few days to recover from the second. I am getting my booster shot next week. I hope the booster isn't worse.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:56:

jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:38:
Only nine rounds? I'm surprised the officer didn't get cited for not using enough force.

It was probably the full load the magazine was capable of holding.

Just another insecure, frightened manchild being a murderer with a badge.

Yeah, not sure what his service weapon is/was, but most police use the Glock 22 which holds either 15 or 22 rounds.

Burrito of Peace wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:56:

jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:38:
Only nine rounds? I'm surprised the officer didn't get cited for not using enough force.

It was probably the full load the magazine was capable of holding.

Just another insecure, frightened manchild being a murderer with a badge.

Why do these departments issue sidearms with clearly inadequate 9 shot clips?
In the age of high capacity banana magazines and drums, this is disappointing.

jdreyer wrote on Dec 1, 2021, 12:38:
Only nine rounds? I'm surprised the officer didn't get cited for not using enough force.

It was probably the full load the magazine was capable of holding.

Just another insecure, frightened manchild being a murderer with a badge.

My first two COVID-19 vaccines were Pfizer. When I got my booster last week, I chose Moderna. Actually, the nurses asked me if Moderna was okay, I said "sure, whatever." lol

I didn't feel much or very little side effects after my Pfizer shots. But, the day after my Moderna booster, I got a big headache and really bad vertigo. I had to work that day, so I wasn't really able to do much. Luckily, 2 things -- 1) I was in the office by myself because everyone in the office is WFH and 2) it was the day before Thanksgiving, so nothing much was going on anyways.

It wasn't until I got home and took some aspirin before I started feeling better.

Maybe I'll start a website featuring famous people that got the booster shot and didn't die. I could call it "Not Sorry Pro-Vaxxer." I wonder if Blue will let me profile him.