eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 16, 2021, 05:41:

Wolfen wrote on Nov 16, 2021, 03:30:

Dacron wrote on Nov 16, 2021, 00:07:

Wolfen wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 23:09:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 16:03:

Task wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 09:34:
They really should just make an executive decision to refund and commit to fixing the game. There's no reason Rockstar shouldn't have given the team working on this more support and testing. Reinstating the original releases would also be a big bonus.

It's a small studio with few resources. How could they ever afford to do this?

A small studio was contracted to do it. R* and 2K could do exactly this.

I think he was referring to takedown and made the comment in jest, at least how I read it.

Though it looks like the people saying it was just a quick upscaler/smoother was right. Everything was auto smoothed and released. Even things meant to be sharp.

Fair enough. In regards to auto smooth. Yes I believe it. I already read somewhere that they used AI upscaling for the graphics too. So why wouldn't they just go an smooth everything too?

Because you can't do that to an asset pipeline with LOD's already made and rigging already in place for games made decades ago with 20k or more assets Things are supposed to align, old texture and shades only work on single surfaces etc. are maybe tiled this or that way with old trickeries... the moment you smooth the meshes you ruined your entire asset database because bone IK limits get broken.... it's a thing... that nobody with a brain does.

That was a rhetorical question. =)

Wolfen wrote on Nov 16, 2021, 03:30:

Dacron wrote on Nov 16, 2021, 00:07:

Wolfen wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 23:09:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 16:03:

Task wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 09:34:
They really should just make an executive decision to refund and commit to fixing the game. There's no reason Rockstar shouldn't have given the team working on this more support and testing. Reinstating the original releases would also be a big bonus.

It's a small studio with few resources. How could they ever afford to do this?

A small studio was contracted to do it. R* and 2K could do exactly this.

I think he was referring to takedown and made the comment in jest, at least how I read it.

Though it looks like the people saying it was just a quick upscaler/smoother was right. Everything was auto smoothed and released. Even things meant to be sharp.

Fair enough. In regards to auto smooth. Yes I believe it. I already read somewhere that they used AI upscaling for the graphics too. So why wouldn't they just go an smooth everything too?

Because you can't do that to an asset pipeline with LOD's already made and rigging already in place for games made decades ago with 20k or more assets Things are supposed to align, old texture and shades only work on single surfaces etc. are maybe tiled this or that way with old trickeries... the moment you smooth the meshes you ruined your entire asset database because bone IK limits get broken.... it's a thing... that nobody with a brain does.

Dacron wrote on Nov 16, 2021, 00:07:

Wolfen wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 23:09:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 16:03:

Task wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 09:34:
They really should just make an executive decision to refund and commit to fixing the game. There's no reason Rockstar shouldn't have given the team working on this more support and testing. Reinstating the original releases would also be a big bonus.

It's a small studio with few resources. How could they ever afford to do this?

A small studio was contracted to do it. R* and 2K could do exactly this.

Fair enough. In regards to auto smooth. Yes I believe it. I already read somewhere that they used AI upscaling for the graphics too. So why wouldn't they just go an smooth everything too?

I think he was referring to takedown and made the comment in jest, at least how I read it.

Though it looks like the people saying it was just a quick upscaler/smoother was right. Everything was auto smoothed and released. Even things meant to be sharp.

Wolfen wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 23:09:

jdreyer wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 16:03:

Task wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 09:34:
They really should just make an executive decision to refund and commit to fixing the game. There's no reason Rockstar shouldn't have given the team working on this more support and testing. Reinstating the original releases would also be a big bonus.

It's a small studio with few resources. How could they ever afford to do this?

A small studio was contracted to do it. R* and 2K could do exactly this.

I think he was referring to takedown and made the comment in jest, at least how I read it.

Though it looks like the people saying it was just a quick upscaler/smoother was right. Everything was auto smoothed and released. Even things meant to be sharp.

jdreyer wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 16:03:

Task wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 09:34:
They really should just make an executive decision to refund and commit to fixing the game. There's no reason Rockstar shouldn't have given the team working on this more support and testing. Reinstating the original releases would also be a big bonus.

It's a small studio with few resources. How could they ever afford to do this?

A small studio was contracted to do it. R* and 2K could do exactly this.

Task wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 09:34:
They really should just make an executive decision to refund and commit to fixing the game. There's no reason Rockstar shouldn't have given the team working on this more support and testing. Reinstating the original releases would also be a big bonus.

It's a small studio with few resources. How could they ever afford to do this?

Hattori Hanzō wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 08:31:
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I see, the Trollbusters did a good job. You did the right thing!
Who you gonna call?

headshot wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 06:43:
also the age old discussion: when i pirate a game which i would never have bought anyway, is there really any damage? i often bought games later on to cleanse my soul if i really liked them.

If you would have never bought it - then why pirate it? I know it was better back in the days of demos - no doubt about that. But nowadays, I just watch some gameplay videos on Youtube and then I know if this game is for me or if it is a bugridden mess that needs to burn in hell. No need to pirate it.

NKD wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 09:10:

headshot wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 06:43:
when i pirate a game which i would never have bought anyway, is there really any damage?

No. If there is no lost sale, there is no monetary damage. Without monetary damage, the argument that the behavior is immoral or unethical becomes very shaky at best. You could argue there's some social contract that you're not allowed to enjoy for free what someone else has to pay for, in the interest of fairness. But I think that falls apart when examined from a Consequentialist standpoint since unless you're running around bragging to everyone about how you got a game for free and they had to pay, that "unfair" behavior is essentially invisible and doesn't harm anyone elses enjoyment of the game.

Someone who would have otherwise not gained enjoyment from the game, due to unwillingness to pay or inability to pay, gets to have some fun and there is no apparent impact to anyone elses enjoyment. Again, this is from a Consequentialist viewpoint where ultimately the goal is to maximize positive outcomes while minimizing negative outcomes. There are other philosophies that place more weight on intention, rather than tangible effects on the world.

With some additional negatives. Notably, these days most piracy is peer-to-peer, meaning you're helping someone else get the game. The other being the continued push that "piracy is swell, only losers buy," which encourages more piracy, which encourages lesser games.

But why is someone playing something they wouldn't have purchased, at any price? There are a billion games out there, most can be had for $5 at some point. Why in the world would you play something that isn't worth even $5 to you?

Unless you're not some super intelligent genius, and just a guy with no friends and enormous amounts of free time?

They really should just make an executive decision to refund and commit to fixing the game. There's no reason Rockstar shouldn't have given the team working on this more support and testing. Reinstating the original releases would also be a big bonus.

headshot wrote on Nov 15, 2021, 06:43:
when i pirate a game which i would never have bought anyway, is there really any damage?

No. If there is no lost sale, there is no monetary damage. Without monetary damage, the argument that the behavior is immoral or unethical becomes very shaky at best. You could argue there's some social contract that you're not allowed to enjoy for free what someone else has to pay for, in the interest of fairness. But I think that falls apart when examined from a Consequentialist standpoint since unless you're running around bragging to everyone about how you got a game for free and they had to pay, that "unfair" behavior is essentially invisible and doesn't harm anyone elses enjoyment of the game.

Someone who would have otherwise not gained enjoyment from the game, due to unwillingness to pay or inability to pay, gets to have some fun and there is no apparent impact to anyone elses enjoyment. Again, this is from a Consequentialist viewpoint where ultimately the goal is to maximize positive outcomes while minimizing negative outcomes. There are other philosophies that place more weight on intention, rather than tangible effects on the world.

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Kosumo wrote on Nov 14, 2021, 19:55:
Ok, just take other peoples work and give them nothing.

It's not like they are owed anything.

as if loyalty is rewarded in this industry and the same people work on the next game instead of being moved around or terminated. they got their money, they don't participate in any financial success and by pirating you only damage the publisher.
i pirated a lot back in the day, didn't do it for at least a decade or even longer. i wouldn't even know if you are able to pirate games nowadays. as such i can't imagine that there is a big vibrant scene involved and that many people really pirate.

also the age old discussion: when i pirate a game which i would never have bought anyway, is there really any damage? i often bought games later on to cleanse my soul if i really liked them.

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Didn't Strauss Zelnick say they would never release a game as bad as Cyberpunk 2077 was at launch? That didn't last long...

Hattori Hanzō wrote on Nov 14, 2021, 12:42:
people proved they will buy unfinished, broken shit that barely works at a huge volume

thats why im happy im still a pirate, like i always was

For me, I just wait years until they go free. Even that, I barely have time to play.

So many features in this definitive edition. My favorite so far:
Face textures on the side of a cliff. I couldn't believe it.

Man you guys weren't joking. I looked up the developer and they indeed only have done crappy mobile games.

https://twitter.com/RockstarSupport

It's now available through the Rockstar Launcher again!