Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews

Reviews have begun pouring out for the new 12th generation Intel CPUs. Here are evaluations of Alder Lake processors:

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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 11:25
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews Nov 4, 2021, 11:25
Nov 4, 2021, 11:25
 
Good for Intel. Really. Competition is great, looks like they have a good generation of chips on their hands.
Will continue reading up on heat, and cooling options. I need a new computer, and have for over a year. I have no issues early adopting DDR5 and this new chipset for a new build, IF it makes sense.
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Nov 4, 2021, 12:08
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews Nov 4, 2021, 12:08
Nov 4, 2021, 12:08
 
iNtel: "Our 10nm process is the same as AMD's 7nm."
Everyone: "Then why does it use more power than your 14+++ process."
iNtel: "🦗"
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 12:23
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews Nov 4, 2021, 12:23
Nov 4, 2021, 12:23
 
Uh...Blue. You have your reviews mixed up. Late night?
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 12:27
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews Nov 4, 2021, 12:27
Nov 4, 2021, 12:27
 
DDR5 is a major contributor to the gains over AMD, Anandtech slapped in some DDR4 to show the drop in gaming performance with 12900K. Combine that with the power consumption... it's a dirty 'win' for Intel
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 12:30
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Nov 4, 2021, 12:30
 El Pit
 
And the best of the new Intel 12-series CPUs is... Forza Horizon 5! YAY!
Wait... what?!
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 12:34
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews Nov 4, 2021, 12:34
Nov 4, 2021, 12:34
 
This article was not borked half an hour ago, lol, some edit went very wrong.
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Nov 4, 2021, 12:36
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Nov 4, 2021, 12:36
 
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 4, 2021, 12:34:
This article was not borked half an hour ago, lol, some edit went very wrong.
My bad, I added a couple of reviews to the list, and obviously updated it to the wrong story.

Apologies.
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 12:44
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews Nov 4, 2021, 12:44
Nov 4, 2021, 12:44
 
Also looks like the anandtech link is pointing at an old review, I think it should be this one: Alder Lake
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 12:49
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews Nov 4, 2021, 12:49
Nov 4, 2021, 12:49
 
I will stick with AMD for now, the power requirements for the Intel chips are ridiculous. Anyone looked at DDR5 prices if you can find them?
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 12:52
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Nov 4, 2021, 12:52
 
Will stay with AMD at least and until Zen4 debuts.
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 12:58
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews Nov 4, 2021, 12:58
Nov 4, 2021, 12:58
 
Well done Intel. Zen 3 is dethroned until next gen at least. Although Intel power consumption is still much higher than AMD. Still love my 5800X / 3070 build though it’s been a great year with it, running Win11 without a hitch.
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Nov 4, 2021, 13:08
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Nov 4, 2021, 13:08
 
i built a new ryzen machine at the end of last year.... but even then i still find myself at a point with absolutely zero desire to build or upgrade any further - which is a unique spot for me in my life

and honestly i do blame the gaming world in general - since i have no real "dream game" to look forward to or anything remotely as exciting on the horizon

now that my productivity needs are mostly taken care of, and the fact that graphics cards as a consumer technology seem to be going away (as they undergo some strange evolution into raw "money printers" - which, is obviously going to be prioritized)
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 13:09
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews Nov 4, 2021, 13:09
Nov 4, 2021, 13:09
 RaZ0r!
 
From HardwareUnboxed:

"I’ve found what looks to be an issue/bug with Windows 11 with AMD CPUs that might catch reviewers out. If you install W11 with a 5950X for example, and then change to the 5800X or really any other Ryzen CPU, the L3 latency increases..."
"and gaming performance drops quite significantly, sometimes by 20%. I’ve had this issue with a few CPU changes now. I first ran into it with a fresh W11 install on the Ryzen 5 3600, installed the 5950X and gaming performance was well down on where it should be..."
"Basically, it seems like you have to fresh install Windows 11 for every CPU change. I’d like to know if anyone else is seeing this issue or can replicate it. Needless to say it’s making updating our data a nightmare."

Starts here:
https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1454778534929461249

I wonder if some of the reviews are skewed because of this?
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 13:42
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Nov 4, 2021, 13:42
 
I'm sticking with my 7nm AMD. When my 10 year old main rig sh!t the bed this year, I had to settle for a Ryzen 5 5600x because of how difficult and expensive it was to get anything newer/faster. I have no regrets at all as this cpu is incredibly efficient! And the best part is that I can easily plop in a Ryzen 9 5950x when they come down in price for a nice upgrade
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 13:43
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Nov 4, 2021, 13:43
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhI9tLOg-6I

Lists 3K Total War as "did not launch"

Already other chirpings that the CPU doesn't run many other older games on W10, even modern games.

The Toms Hardware review lists issues, and then calls it a gaming CPU without actually testing real games. (Farcry 6 and H:ZD.. REALLY?)
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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 13:57
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Nov 4, 2021, 13:57
 
The 12600K looks pretty good for $300. Power usage is still on the high side (nearly doubling that of the 5600X under heavy load), but it's not the 300-350W insanity that the unleashed 12700K and 12900K will slurp, unless you overclock. Consumption is much more comparable when "only" gaming, but that's also where the performance difference is the least significant... It's disappointing to see that DDR5 makes so little difference in general (Watch Dogs: Legion apparently loves it, though), so that's just a massive waste of money right now.

RaZ0r! wrote on Nov 4, 2021, 13:09:
From HardwareUnboxed:

"I’ve found what looks to be an issue/bug with Windows 11 with AMD CPUs that might catch reviewers out. If you install W11 with a 5950X for example, and then change to the 5800X or really any other Ryzen CPU, the L3 latency increases..."
"and gaming performance drops quite significantly, sometimes by 20%. I’ve had this issue with a few CPU changes now. I first ran into it with a fresh W11 install on the Ryzen 5 3600, installed the 5950X and gaming performance was well down on where it should be..."
"Basically, it seems like you have to fresh install Windows 11 for every CPU change. I’d like to know if anyone else is seeing this issue or can replicate it. Needless to say it’s making updating our data a nightmare."

Starts here:
https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1454778534929461249

I wonder if some of the reviews are skewed because of this?

Probably, which highlights the issue of basing reviews on a brand new OS. I've no doubt that was mandated by Intel, as it's supposed to be more effective at assigning tasks to the appropriate "big" or "little" cores and most reviews make specific mention of that without any real evaluation. Some outlets are still working on Windows 10 benchmarks, so the comparison there should shed more light on both sides.
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Nov 4, 2021, 14:03
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Nov 4, 2021, 14:03
 
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 4, 2021, 13:57:
It's disappointing to see that DDR5 makes so little difference in general
Did you see the Anandtech comparison of DDR4 to DDR5? They've done the deepest dive into the new memory that I've found. When it comes to gaming, it looks significant to me, especially considering how tight performance is with AMD.
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Nov 4, 2021, 14:07
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Nov 4, 2021, 14:07
 
theglaze wrote on Nov 4, 2021, 14:03:
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 4, 2021, 13:57:
It's disappointing to see that DDR5 makes so little difference in general
Did you see the Anandtech comparison of DDR4 to DDR5? They've done the deepest dive into the new memory that I've found. When it comes to gaming, it looks significant to me, especially considering how tight performance is with AMD.
Linus (LTT) is working on a ddr4-5 comparison video to supplement his “Damn, INtel!” review. It should be interesting.
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Neweg is auto notify on all DDR5. yeah

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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 14:50
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Nov 4, 2021, 14:50
 Rigs
 
Figures, I finally get around to building an i9-9900k rig and six months later they release the 12900k. Sigh

Honestly, going from an i5-9400f to an i9-9900k wasn't the leap in performance I was expecting. I had it in my mind I'd be blown away at the difference annnd...no. Maybe that's because I'm still rocking a 2060/6gb when I should be using at least a 3080 but still, the gains so far have been 'meh' at most.

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Re: Intel 12-Series CPU Reviews
Nov 4, 2021, 14:52
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Nov 4, 2021, 14:52
 
theglaze wrote on Nov 4, 2021, 14:03:
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 4, 2021, 13:57:
It's disappointing to see that DDR5 makes so little difference in general
Did you see the Anandtech comparison of DDR4 to DDR5? They've done the deepest dive into the new memory that I've found. When it comes to gaming, it looks significant to me, especially considering how tight performance is with AMD.

Their Alder Lake review shows a difference of 5% or less average FPS on every game but Far Cry 5, where it's nearer to 10%... and that's at 1080p. Have you seen the prices on DDR5?
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