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Oct 11, 2021, 12:59
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Task wrote on Oct 11, 2021, 11:10:
gradbot wrote on Oct 11, 2021, 10:32:
Fare, I'll give it more time.

Its okay to have a different opinion on a game or whatever though. People's likes are different.

Very much agreed. I am really enjoying Dread (on Switch - happy with the res there, and enjoy portability) but people can like what they like!
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gradbot wrote on Oct 11, 2021, 10:32:
Fare, I'll give it more time.

Its okay to have a different opinion on a game or whatever though. People's likes are different.
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Reactor wrote on Oct 11, 2021, 08:16:
gradbot wrote on Oct 11, 2021, 00:16:
I don't know why Metroid: Dread is getting such good reviews. Comparted to Super Metroid it's music is sorely lacking, controls don't feel as crisp, and graphically it's boring. I guess nostalgia is all people want.

Sounds like nostalgia is working a number on you. Dread plays a millions times better than Super Metroid.
Fare, I'll give it more time.
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gradbot wrote on Oct 11, 2021, 00:16:
I don't know why Metroid: Dread is getting such good reviews. Comparted to Super Metroid it's music is sorely lacking, controls don't feel as crisp, and graphically it's boring. I guess nostalgia is all people want.

Sounds like nostalgia is working a number on you. Dread plays a millions times better than Super Metroid.
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Oct 11, 2021, 07:44
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gradbot wrote on Oct 11, 2021, 00:16:
I don't know why Metroid: Dread is getting such good reviews. Comparted to Super Metroid it's music is sorely lacking, controls don't feel as crisp, and graphically it's boring. I guess nostalgia is all people want.

Have you played it? Its cool if you don't enjoy it. I do love it though, especially the creepy music and Samus' movement set being very fluid/responsiven.
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Oct 11, 2021, 04:27
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FloodAnxiety wrote on Oct 10, 2021, 15:07:
I really want to play Metroid Dread. But I don't want to purchase Nintendo hardware just to play it on a lower resolution than I am accustomed to. If Nintendo were to sell a legitimate version on the PC I would immediately by it with zero hesitation.

But Nintendo won't do that because they remain convinced it would be against their better business interests.

I'll be hear waiting for their aging management to be replaced with more level heads.
Sony is bringing their former PS exclusives to PC. Basically they admitted not doing so was money left on the table.
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Oct 11, 2021, 01:28
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Oct 11, 2021, 01:28
 
Admittedly there is a tech savvy entrance threshold for using emulators, getting easier with time.
But seems like ignoring them is risky for the console makers.
Poor analogy but think vanished great music publishing versus digital and streaming.

Emulator development has been usually slow, but that may change.

- Notably, original Xbox emulation, historically amounting to nothing and lagging, *suddenly* got a **huge** jump in game compatibility, getting to 62% (and swiftly increasing) with Xemu.

From www.emucr.com :
- PS3 though growing slowly, has 63% compatibility now. Higher for hefty PCs.
- PS2 has 99.9% compatibility with PCSX2.
- PS1 with Epsxe + Pec giant cheat database.
- GameCube and Wii, with Dolphin.
- Wii U with Cemu and Dolphin.
- N64 with Project64.
- Snes with Snes9X.
- PSP with PPSSPP.
- C64 with Vice.
- Amiga with WinUAE.
- Dreamcast with Flycast Git and others.

- DOS games, get near hardware acceleration, high resolutions and screen effects with Dosbox-X (mind the X). And Save states / save anywhere !. Though it requires tech savvy.

- Even Xbox 360 has got a few games fully playable with Xenia.
- PS4 with Spine, just starting, no games yet of course.

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Oct 11, 2021, 00:35
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Lorcin wrote on Oct 10, 2021, 22:37:
Side note, it's buttery smooth on ryujinx at 4k internal resolution on my 5600x/3070ti

Not possible, the developers of the emulator themselves have recognized the constant micro stuttering issue. Even a 3090 and the fastest CPU suffers from it..

Try it on Yuzu side by side, you'll recant that "buttery smooth" statement instantly. Yuzu plays it without any frametime variance, not Ryujinx, on it the frametimes are all over the place.

But... If the performance is acceptable enough to you as flawed as it is atm, enjoy mate.

jacobvandy wrote on Oct 11, 2021, 00:01:
A lot of armchair business strategists in here...

The subjects of exclusivity and console games marketing strategies are nothing new, they have been documented and thoroughly understood for more than a decade.
I'm simply restating/paraphrasing the conclusions of the foremost expert analysts in the field.
You want to call them "armchair business strategists", be my guest, but in doing so you might be showing your hand.
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Oct 11, 2021, 00:30
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Running good at 1440p on Ryujinx emulator here. But I agree it's just okay, not great.
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Oct 11, 2021, 00:16
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Oct 11, 2021, 00:16
 
I don't know why Metroid: Dread is getting such good reviews. Comparted to Super Metroid it's music is sorely lacking, controls don't feel as crisp, and graphically it's boring. I guess nostalgia is all people want.
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Oct 11, 2021, 00:01
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Oct 11, 2021, 00:01
 
A lot of armchair business strategists in here...

Nintendo keeps their games on their own hardware because it works for them, they've kept consistent for 30 years in order to establish that and set everyone's expectations accordingly. People do not wait for ports to other platforms, nor do they wait for bargain bin pricing because Nintendo does not have to compete that way, despite the majority of other publishers creating this situation where they feel they need to.

As a result, Nintendo holds 26 positions on the list of the Top 50 best-selling games of all time, six of which are Switch titles. The only other games to chart there in the past 4.5 years the console has been out are the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare remake, Red Dead Redemption 2, PUBG, and FIFA 18. They made more money than most of the other ones there in the process, too, because their average unit price is much higher. I.e. Animal Crossing: New Horizons sold 34 million copies in 18 months with no digital discounts and an all-time low physical price of $44.99. Even the most drastic cuts rarely bring their games below half-price, which may mean a lot of people on Blue's would never stoop to buying them anyway.

Of course they don't like piracy and continue to fight against it fairly aggressively, but the number of people willing to go through the extra work to set-up an emulator and acquire illegal copies of new releases is minuscule compared to the loyal customer base they've cultivated. Even for their old games, a lot people are more than willing to pay a monthly fee just for legitimate access to emulators for NES, SNES, and N64 (coming soon). In their last fiscal year, they put out a limited-time offer of three 3D Mario games from N64, GameCube, and Wii in a package together for $60, and sold nearly TEN MILLION of the fuckin' things...

Anyway, in total there are more than 20 first-party Switch games that have sold in excess of 3 million copies, and some are considered a success even if they don't quite reach that mark (such as the latest Fire Emblem, which set a record for the franchise at 2.87M). Metroid has also never broken that threshold, it's a pretty niche series compared to their other stuff, and not very casual-friendly. I think with all the hype, though, Dread is likely to fall somewhere in the 5-10M range. Knowing some people are playing at 4K60 or whatever produces a lot of wishful thinking, for sure, but far more people are wanting a more powerful Switch than are hoping it would officially release for PC.
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Oct 10, 2021, 22:37
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FloodAnxiety wrote on Oct 10, 2021, 15:07:
I really want to play Metroid Dread. But I don't want to purchase Nintendo hardware just to play it on a lower resolution than I am accustomed to. If Nintendo were to sell a legitimate version on the PC I would immediately by it with zero hesitation.

But Nintendo won't do that because they remain convinced it would be against their better business interests.

I'll be hear waiting for their aging management to be replaced with more level heads.

Buy the game, download it for emulator. Officially you should rip your own but that involves getting a switch. I doubt many people would consider it theft if you bought a retail copy.

Side note, it's buttery smooth on ryujinx at 4k internal resolution on my 5600x/3070ti
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Oct 10, 2021, 21:38
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Oct 10, 2021, 21:38
 
Overon wrote on Oct 10, 2021, 15:37:
Holy shit I had no idea that Switch emulation was so good

It isn't really... Ryujinx plays 4k, but stutters like a mofo.

While Yuzu is silky smooth, but doesn't allow to change the internal resolution anymore ( for now ).

Choose one.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Oct 10, 2021, 14:02:
They are a huge bonanza for gamers, though the Switch situation is clearly wrong.

To be fair, if they wanted to sell more copies, they could just make a PS/XB/PC version, they'd sell vastly more copies and would put a giant dent in personal copies for emulators. Their hardware sales might suffer just a tad, but classically it's not where Nintendo makes most of its money so they'd come out ahead.

They had years to adapt ever since even their new consoles get emulated in record time. They didn't... You're kind of looking for trouble that way.

They could sell games as exclusives the first few years of their consoles and when emulators catch up to new releases, stop with the exclusivity. That'd probably be the smartest business move overall.
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Oct 10, 2021, 15:37
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Oct 10, 2021, 15:37
 
Holy shit I had no idea that Switch emulation was so good

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Oct 10, 2021, 15:07
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Oct 10, 2021, 15:07
 
I really want to play Metroid Dread. But I don't want to purchase Nintendo hardware just to play it on a lower resolution than I am accustomed to. If Nintendo were to sell a legitimate version on the PC I would immediately by it with zero hesitation.

But Nintendo won't do that because they remain convinced it would be against their better business interests.

I'll be hear waiting for their aging management to be replaced with more level heads.
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Oct 10, 2021, 14:02
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Oct 10, 2021, 14:02
 
Conceivably, Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft could sell old games to PC gamers for use with emulators.
Better than the out there readily available alternatives.
The problem with systems yet selling, is real.

Emulators get better steadily, growing compatibility, they aren't going away:
- Playing otherwise gone forever games.
- The increasing number of legacy games playable in new console systems.
- Better graphics, effects and fps, greatly exceeding the original systems capabilities.
- Save states / save anywhere in many.
- Incredibly rich configurable input devices (K&M, gamepads, joysticks, etc.)
- Dedicated modders.
- Cheat libraries, sometimes incorporated into the emulator already, or cheat engine for any game if knowledgeable enough.

They are a huge bonanza for gamers, though the Switch situation is clearly wrong.

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