Mr. Tact wrote on Oct 10, 2021, 19:46:
Great minds think alike...

Mr. Tact wrote on Oct 2, 2021, 14:14:
That sounds about right -- Win 11 in 2025, I'll consider it then.

I'm playing around with dual boot Windows 10 and PoP OS.
Installed Steam w/Proton and tried S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl along with the STALKER Complete 2009 and it plays great.
Stalker has a platinum rank at protondb which means it runs perfectly without tweaks. Also tried Bioshock Remastered and it played ok.

There might be something to this Linux thing.

Great minds think alike...

Mr. Tact wrote on Oct 2, 2021, 14:14:
That sounds about right -- Win 11 in 2025, I'll consider it then.

Kxmode wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 15:48:
Waiting a year...

Years for me. After 2025? I finally was forced to get 10 after 7 after getting new PC hardwares since I was forced. I still don't like W10. 2K was the best Windows version.

This comment was edited on Oct 10, 2021, 19:50.

I installed Win11 on my "spare" PC last night. I did an upgrade and the local account stayed intact.
The computer's CPU didn't meet the compatible list (it's an i5 3rd gen) but it looked like the installer didn't mind too much about that. It got stuck up on the TPM and Secure Boot, both of which are disable on that pc.

Simple solution grab the "install.wim" from the windows 11 "sources" folder and drop it into the same place in a windows 10 iso and run the win10 setup.
Win11 installed without a hitch after that. No TPM or Secure boot and it didn't care about the cpu. It even kept the privacy settings I had set from 10.

However after using it for just a bit I can't stand the grouped tabs on the taskbar. Also you can't remove the "recommended" section from the start menu. So if you don't like it, it's just going to be a big empty space.

Also menus in menus is dumb.

One last thing, after some finagling I got the taskbar and start menu set like windows 7. The interesting part is the computer seems to respond faster now that I've changed it out.

No Start menu icon groups or folders. For those of us with a multi-use PC (in my case it's schematic design and printed circuit board layout, video and audio production, photography, gaming), removing those Start menu organizational features would have a real impact.

Windows 10 doesn't force people to use those organizing methods - it's idiocy to remove them as a choice.

2 to 3 times the foot print for rounded corners and less control, no thanks.

Cutter wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 15:14:
Some QFTs from Ars....

"This Microsoft account required is (could be) a deal breaker. Honestly, I expect the EU to weigh in as well."

Reply:"Pro lets you get around it, at least. And once you're logged in to the Home version, nothing stopping you from signing out and switching to a local account like in Win10. It's annoying, yeah, but you could always just set up a burner MS account that you never had to use for anything else."

Reply:"When did having to fight your OS all the time become standard operating procedure?
I want off that train. "

"Is it too much to ask for the UI to just stay.... consistent, for a while? And keep making stuff better under the hood?

10 times in the last 5 years, we've had Windows major updates that just change stuff for no apparent reason. A particular setting or control isn't where it was before. 30 of your default app/file associations just got reset. Pressing the WIN key and typing the first few letters of a program name launches the program... then it does a Bing search for the program... then it searches your computer for documents created by the program... then it does nothing.

I can get used to the changes for the stuff I need to do, but I also need to help everyone else through it at every arbitrary change. That is getting really tiring. "

Yeah, I'm going to wait a year, at least, on this one.

Wow. This is written by an old man. Past his 50s probably. What a looooong and boring way of saying you hate change. He's either old and tired or too finely tuned into the online generation of whiners.

I installed Win11 yesterday and I thought it looked remarkably slick; worked remarkably intuïtive and was remarkably responsive. I didnt benchmark but Kena seemed to play smoother too.
Then I went online. And apparently Win11 is shit 🤣

This comment was edited on Oct 6, 2021, 01:04.

Waiting a year...

Some QFTs from Ars....

"This Microsoft account required is (could be) a deal breaker. Honestly, I expect the EU to weigh in as well."

Reply:"Pro lets you get around it, at least. And once you're logged in to the Home version, nothing stopping you from signing out and switching to a local account like in Win10. It's annoying, yeah, but you could always just set up a burner MS account that you never had to use for anything else."

Reply:"When did having to fight your OS all the time become standard operating procedure?
I want off that train. "

"Is it too much to ask for the UI to just stay.... consistent, for a while? And keep making stuff better under the hood?

10 times in the last 5 years, we've had Windows major updates that just change stuff for no apparent reason. A particular setting or control isn't where it was before. 30 of your default app/file associations just got reset. Pressing the WIN key and typing the first few letters of a program name launches the program... then it does a Bing search for the program... then it searches your computer for documents created by the program... then it does nothing.

I can get used to the changes for the stuff I need to do, but I also need to help everyone else through it at every arbitrary change. That is getting really tiring. "

Yeah, I'm going to wait a year, at least, on this one.

Acleacius wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 14:06:
I didn't run whatever check you all did but would have thought I was in the same situation as RedEye9 with my Ryzen 7.
After just checking it's release, it was in 2019. So like win 10 maybe I'll upgrade to this Service Pack 1, called win 11 in about 4 years.

I ran the check on my new Dell Ryzen 7 equipped gaming laptop. It passed everything on the first pass.

Now since the new has wore off I am slowly inching towards installing El Penquinito (Pop!_OS), with BoP’s tutelage of course.

If you read one review make sure it’s Thurrott’s.

Cons

Feels like it was rushed to market
Too many functional regressions compared to Windows 10
The Widgets news feed is of low quality and pushes Microsoft apps and services
Too few in-box apps were updated in a meaningful way
Visual inconsistencies abound
The new Default Apps interface is anti-competitive
Windows 10 Home requires a Wi-Fi connection and an MSA to set up
You can’t easily remove default icons on the Taskbar

RedEye9 wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 12:58:

Windows 11 is ridiculous. I ran the health check on a customers computer with NVME storage and an Intel® Core™ i7-7700K Processor.

It fails for the CPU that was released in 2017.

What a fucking joke.

Guess that customer should have his money back.

I didn't run whatever check you all did but would have thought I was in the same situation as RedEye9 with my Ryzen 7.
After just checking it's release, it was in 2019. So like win 10 maybe I'll upgrade to this Service Pack 1, called win 11 in about 4 years.

Cram wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 13:11:

RedEye9 wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 12:58:

Windows 11 is ridiculous. I ran the health check on a customers computer with NVME storage and an Intel® Core™ i7-7700K Processor.

It fails for the CPU that was released in 2017.

What a fucking joke.

That's insane... processor is still very good for just about everything.

ikr

phinn wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 13:45:
Sounds like you missed a bios update or something. There is no reason why that wouldn’t work since 7th gen has TPM 2.

See below

BIGtrouble77 wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 13:41:

Is it failing on the cpu or the bios not supporting TPM 2.0?

It failed for TPM and CPU the first time I ran it.
Turned on TPM and now it just fails for a newish i7.
Asrock mb with the latest bios.

Here’s more info on Microsoft’s stupidity. https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-cpu-compatibility-amd-intel/

I think I’m going to leave TPM off for now in case they try to force me to upgrade 😂

Most of us know this is more of a name change and win10 upgrade. But with the name change now we have reviews of it! Plenty of reviews like it's really something really fresh. If it were update 2200 and still called win10, it would have an article or two here and life just goes on. Funny how a name change can create so much more buzz to just more of the same 'ole of what it really is.

Did a clean install on my B550 5800X 3070 SN850 build. Went flawless, almost alarmingly so. Clean install was done in 5 minutes then I just installed the latest Nvidia drivers, my programs and games. Enabled 144Hz, Gsync, Low latency, etc. and rebooted once.

New UI is quite nice, takes a little getting used to, but it’s refreshing. Very fast performance overall in Win11 so far.

RedEye9 wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 12:58:

Windows 11 is ridiculous. I ran the health check on a customers computer with NVME storage and an Intel® Core™ i7-7700K Processor.

It fails for the CPU that was released in 2017.

What a fucking joke.

Sounds like you missed a bios update or something. There is no reason why that wouldn’t work since 7th gen has TPM 2.

RedEye9 wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 12:58:

Windows 11 is ridiculous. I ran the health check on a customers computer with NVME storage and an Intel® Core™ i7-7700K Processor.

It fails for the CPU that was released in 2017.

What a fucking joke.

Is it failing on the cpu or the bios not supporting TPM 2.0?

RedEye9 wrote on Oct 5, 2021, 12:58:

Windows 11 is ridiculous. I ran the health check on a customers computer with NVME storage and an Intel® Core™ i7-7700K Processor.

It fails for the CPU that was released in 2017.

What a fucking joke.

That's insane... processor is still very good for just about everything.