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Sep 27, 2021, 02:42
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Beamer wrote on Sep 26, 2021, 20:39:
Guys, I don't get it. They call it the MTV Movie Awards, so does it just go by what music is in the film? It doesn't make sense and isn't clear to anyone that wants really hard to be offended. I mean, there must be some sliver of music required, right? Napoleon Dynamite won Best Picture, and I don't think qualifies to any other demographic, because I'm not the target audience but am too stubborn to fathom that I, a middle aged straight white guy, isn't the target audience for anything.

It's almost as if the judges are the demographic the award show appeals to instead of me, particularly, but it makes no sense for something to not try to appeal to military cosplayers!

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When you are so consumed about having the opposite opinion of someone pointing out obvious issues, that you forget no one here is a fan of big brand video game awards that literally have ads in the middle of the awards. But apparently worth it to shill for corporations to make a futile attempt to "own" those who disagree with you...

Why actually address the argument points when you can just bring up distractions and attempt personal attacks?

Can't even make a good spin-off argument example lol; MTV "MOVIE" awards self clarifies and amusingly never has a movie won best movie of those awards with music mostly in mind.

And big spoiler, plenty of people outside the MTV demographic are mocking MTV's choice of various awards. Turns out they didn't have to check in with a beamer first to be able to either
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Sep 26, 2021, 20:39
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Guys, I don't get it. They call it the MTV Movie Awards, so does it just go by what music is in the film? It doesn't make sense and isn't clear to anyone that wants really hard to be offended. I mean, there must be some sliver of music required, right? Napoleon Dynamite won Best Picture, and I don't think qualifies to any other demographic, because I'm not the target audience but am too stubborn to fathom that I, a middle aged straight white guy, isn't the target audience for anything.

It's almost as if the judges are the demographic the award show appeals to instead of me, particularly, but it makes no sense for something to not try to appeal to military cosplayers!
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Sep 25, 2021, 08:03
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Sep 25, 2021, 08:03
Sep 25, 2021, 08:03
 
Did someone actually call something "based?"

Anyway, aside from all of this "why isn't my love of animated boobs recognized by these people and how dare an award show cater to someone other than military cosplayers!?" it's worth pointing out that their Game of the Year category says it goes to the best game of the year, not the best LGBTQIA game of the year. Other categories mention LGBTQ, but not that one. So all this complaining appears to be due to an eagerness to be offended combined with a lack of due diligence reading. Funny, for a guy that complained that he was the only one googling anything.

The Game of the Year Award celebrates the best game released in 2020, as chosen by our diverse panel of judges.
As opposed to
Telling an authentic LGBTQ story can be highly impactful and meaningful. This award recognises the best example of an important LGBTQ narrative in a game.
Or
The inclusion of LGBTQ characters in games is hugely important and can be a bold step for visibility. This award recognises the best LGBTQ character (playable or significant NPC) in a game
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Sep 25, 2021, 04:46
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NKD wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 23:33:
milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 20:05:
You are missing the point that anything is more appropriate than something that has no "queer" content. In comparison a game like Honey Select Unlimited has all kinds of customization to create "queer" possibilities in both story and visuals.

I looked up this game and it doesn't seem like it has a story at all. It's a brothel simulator with a variety of choices of which type of girl you want to bang. There also don't seem to be any male or transgender sex workers to hire, so it doesn't seem to be very strong in representation either. I don't believe this game would have been a strong candidate for any gaming awards that weren't porn-focused.

And then you bring up another core problem, why are we trying to make sexuality all-ages? Out of this we run into more conflicting concepts such as if there should be "kinky" people at the pride parade. This inherently leads to other conflicts of well, what does it mean to dress "gay"? Why is dressing in an over the top drag outfit suddenly more acceptable than a full coverage black leather outfit?

Not sure what this has to do with the topic but if you want to know why dressing in one way is acceptable and dressing in another way is not, it's best to ask the people who are trying to get others to restrict themselves to "traditional" clothing. I was asking about gaming awards not parades or how to dress in public...

It seemed like you insisted on wanting a hentai example so I gave you one. Animal Crossing doesn't have any queer content whatsoever so seems to be a silly argument to get in the weeds on if Honey Select can do trans or not. You can have 2 girls have fun together which gets back to my point, although that queer qualifies, apparently it is ignored if too many "normies" like it too. The character editing / modding possibilities are extensive when it comes to allowing people to create non conventional looks if they want to. On that note mods include Futanari aka trans. A fair critique to say that one does not have much story, however it stands out compared to the piles of dating sims and visual novels that are vast majority story.

Back to gaming awards, the Gaymer site itself is actually more in the spirit of embracing what all could be considered a queer game, notably including lists with sexy time games:
LGBTQ Games Coming Out in 2021
Hell despite obvious specific reader demographic intent, even their Cyberpunk 2077 review is more based than anything Kotaku has put out in a while, the problem I'm pointing out how everything gets corrupted when corporate fake advocate sponsors get involved which applies to their Gaymer yearly awards.
I brought up the parade dress example because the same thing is occurring here. Essentially: Let's have some awards that are gay, but only a certain acceptable amount of corporate gay.
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Sep 24, 2021, 23:33
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions Sep 24, 2021, 23:33
Sep 24, 2021, 23:33
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milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 20:05:
You are missing the point that anything is more appropriate than something that has no "queer" content. In comparison a game like Honey Select Unlimited has all kinds of customization to create "queer" possibilities in both story and visuals.

I looked up this game and it doesn't seem like it has a story at all. It's a brothel simulator with a variety of choices of which type of girl you want to bang. There also don't seem to be any male or transgender sex workers to hire, so it doesn't seem to be very strong in representation either. I don't believe this game would have been a strong candidate for any gaming awards that weren't porn-focused.

And then you bring up another core problem, why are we trying to make sexuality all-ages? Out of this we run into more conflicting concepts such as if there should be "kinky" people at the pride parade. This inherently leads to other conflicts of well, what does it mean to dress "gay"? Why is dressing in an over the top drag outfit suddenly more acceptable than a full coverage black leather outfit?

Not sure what this has to do with the topic but if you want to know why dressing in one way is acceptable and dressing in another way is not, it's best to ask the people who are trying to get others to restrict themselves to "traditional" clothing. I was asking about gaming awards not parades or how to dress in public...
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Sep 24, 2021, 20:14
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Nullity wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 13:07:
milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 09:11:
... literally any best hentai of 2020 list would be a more appropriate start. Rigged as in a supposed group trying to promote alternative sexuality, that surrounds themselves with sponsors that the majority of the time have no interest in showing sexuality at all.
So, is tentasexual now officially recognized as a preference, or is that just lumped in with pansexual or something else?

Heh definitely fits under queer one way or another. But perhaps you can always ask the same type of people that made 46+ sexuality types
46 Terms That Describe Sexual Attraction, Behavior, and Orientation
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Sep 24, 2021, 20:05
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Sep 24, 2021, 20:05
 
NKD wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 10:29:
milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 09:11:

For starters, the ridiculousness of the validity of animal crossing already mentioned; literally any best hentai of 2020 list would be a more appropriate start. Rigged as in a supposed group trying to promote alternative sexuality, that surrounds themselves with sponsors that the majority of the time have no interest in showing sexuality at all. We've made slight progress from the days of people losing their minds over petty things like the GTA hot coffee mod to where can at least have sex scenes like in Witcher3, but then smaller games with similar explicit levels get treated like radioactive garbage by most the game services / platforms.

I'll give them some slack on say Hades which is liked because it is an over all solid game first, that just happened to have to have some "queer" themes in there rather than the other way around. However again, most of these themes are merely hinted at or low impact text story. This is not necessarily a bad thing starting with "just good games", but then highlights, why do we have "gaymer" awards that are actually for the broad "queer" community and sponsored by companies that at the end of the day, will totally edit out actual full on displays of alternate sexuality?


So there aren't any specific titles you think measure up to the nominees/winners? Concerning porn games not getting their fair shot at awards, could it be because they are simply less popular and don't get a lot of submissions for consideration? I'm also a bit puzzled as to why you expect LGBTQ awards to include any more porn than any other games awards do. If it's meant to be an all-ages type of thing like most gaming awards, then of course porn isn't included...

You are missing the point that anything is more appropriate than something that has no "queer" content. In comparison a game like Honey Select Unlimited has all kinds of customization to create "queer" possibilities in both story and visuals.
And then you bring up another core problem, why are we trying to make sexuality all-ages? Out of this we run into more conflicting concepts such as if there should be "kinky" people at the pride parade. This inherently leads to other conflicts of well, what does it mean to dress "gay"? Why is dressing in an over the top drag outfit suddenly more acceptable than a full coverage black leather outfit?
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Sep 24, 2021, 13:07
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milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 09:11:
... literally any best hentai of 2020 list would be a more appropriate start. Rigged as in a supposed group trying to promote alternative sexuality, that surrounds themselves with sponsors that the majority of the time have no interest in showing sexuality at all.
So, is tentasexual now officially recognized as a preference, or is that just lumped in with pansexual or something else?
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Re: Gatherings & Competitions
Sep 24, 2021, 10:29
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Sep 24, 2021, 10:29
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milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 09:11:

For starters, the ridiculousness of the validity of animal crossing already mentioned; literally any best hentai of 2020 list would be a more appropriate start. Rigged as in a supposed group trying to promote alternative sexuality, that surrounds themselves with sponsors that the majority of the time have no interest in showing sexuality at all. We've made slight progress from the days of people losing their minds over petty things like the GTA hot coffee mod to where can at least have sex scenes like in Witcher3, but then smaller games with similar explicit levels get treated like radioactive garbage by most the game services / platforms.

I'll give them some slack on say Hades which is liked because it is an over all solid game first, that just happened to have to have some "queer" themes in there rather than the other way around. However again, most of these themes are merely hinted at or low impact text story. This is not necessarily a bad thing starting with "just good games", but then highlights, why do we have "gaymer" awards that are actually for the broad "queer" community and sponsored by companies that at the end of the day, will totally edit out actual full on displays of alternate sexuality?


So there aren't any specific titles you think measure up to the nominees/winners? Concerning porn games not getting their fair shot at awards, could it be because they are simply less popular and don't get a lot of submissions for consideration? I'm also a bit puzzled as to why you expect LGBTQ awards to include any more porn than any other games awards do. If it's meant to be an all-ages type of thing like most gaming awards, then of course porn isn't included...
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Sep 24, 2021, 09:11
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NKD wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 05:53:
milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 02:01:
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of their concept of queer diversity does not include any consideration of many games that actually show alternate sexuality, it probably doesn't help they are a slave to their sponsors in the end. PRESENTED BY EA / EXCLUSIVELY ON TWITCH
One man's "shitty shovelware porn" could easily be one's "Best LGBTQ Indie Game Award"

Which games do you think should have been considered, that were not nominated or were nominated and didn't win? If you're claiming some awards are "rigged" and unfairly excluding some members of the LGBTQ community, you must have some examples of games that were on par with the other nominees but were not included.

For starters, the ridiculousness of the validity of animal crossing already mentioned; literally any best hentai of 2020 list would be a more appropriate start. Rigged as in a supposed group trying to promote alternative sexuality, that surrounds themselves with sponsors that the majority of the time have no interest in showing sexuality at all. We've made slight progress from the days of people losing their minds over petty things like the GTA hot coffee mod to where can at least have sex scenes like in Witcher3, but then smaller games with similar explicit levels get treated like radioactive garbage by most the game services / platforms.

I'll give them some slack on say Hades which is liked because it is an over all solid game first, that just happened to have to have some "queer" themes in there rather than the other way around. However again, most of these themes are merely hinted at or low impact text story. This is not necessarily a bad thing starting with "just good games", but then highlights, why do we have "gaymer" awards that are actually for the broad "queer" community and sponsored by companies that at the end of the day, will totally edit out actual full on displays of alternate sexuality?

This is a common problem in the sex toy industry as well where many blogs will be all sex positive this, diversity that, and then when it comes time to embrace those concepts they look down on anyone actually showing the toys in use acting like they are a crude lesser than skank.... despite writing how much everyone should support sex workers the week prior.

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Sep 24, 2021, 05:53
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Sep 24, 2021, 05:53
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milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 24, 2021, 02:01:
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of their concept of queer diversity does not include any consideration of many games that actually show alternate sexuality, it probably doesn't help they are a slave to their sponsors in the end. PRESENTED BY EA / EXCLUSIVELY ON TWITCH
One man's "shitty shovelware porn" could easily be one's "Best LGBTQ Indie Game Award"

Which games do you think should have been considered, that were not nominated or were nominated and didn't win? If you're claiming some awards are "rigged" and unfairly excluding some members of the LGBTQ community, you must have some examples of games that were on par with the other nominees but were not included.
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Sep 24, 2021, 02:16
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Beamer wrote on Sep 23, 2021, 19:42:
milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 23, 2021, 19:23:
"With a mission to celebrate diversity and inclusivity globally within games and interactive media"
Ahh so like every other mainstream award show now.

I can't wait till they have to rename their brand due to Gay being too specific for the "queer community"

There certainly seems to be a lot of lesbian, futa, etc hentai games overlooked, I guess those must be somehow too "heteronormative"

Do you have actual complaints, or do you just want us to watch you battle a straw man?

Startn' off strong with straw manning the definition of straw man Hey at least delaying your inevitable personal attacks, so progress or something
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Sep 24, 2021, 02:01
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NKD wrote on Sep 23, 2021, 19:44:
milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 23, 2021, 19:23:
There certainly seems to be a lot of lesbian, futa, etc hentai games overlooked, I guess those must be somehow too "heteronormative"

Am I missing something? I read the page and it doesn't appear that they've even announced categories, let alone nominees or winners. How can you say that certain types of games have been overlooked? Are you referring to a previous year?

I'm also not sure why you'd expect shitty shovelware porn games to win any awards from anyone, LGBT community or anywhere else. It might be helpful if you gave specific examples of porn games you feel deserved awards but were snubbed.

Well using my big boy hands I typed in to see the 2021 categories and winners, I highly doubt the format will change much.
Animal Crossing was nominated for game of the year, despite pretty much making no "queer" effort
Nintendo shuts down rumours two Animal Crossing characters are in a gay relationship
But apparently the furry community was all, whatever, close enough LoL

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of their concept of queer diversity does not include any consideration of many games that actually show alternate sexuality, it probably doesn't help they are a slave to their sponsors in the end. PRESENTED BY EA / EXCLUSIVELY ON TWITCH
One man's "shitty shovelware porn" could easily be one's "Best LGBTQ Indie Game Award"

So yeah, pretty much another wack rigged game award system in a gay shiny wrapper, seemed worth critiquing to me, but like usual you all cool with a lot of curious things these days.

Also: Industry Diversity Award won by I Need Diverse Games, bahahaa well played salesman, well played.
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Sep 23, 2021, 20:24
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Beamer wrote on Sep 23, 2021, 19:42:
milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 23, 2021, 19:23:
"With a mission to celebrate diversity and inclusivity globally within games and interactive media"
Ahh so like every other mainstream award show now.

I can't wait till they have to rename their brand due to Gay being too specific for the "queer community"

There certainly seems to be a lot of lesbian, futa, etc hentai games overlooked, I guess those must be somehow too "heteronormative"

Do you have actual complaints, or do you just want us to watch you battle a straw man?


Back in the day all the LGBT community wanted was to not be labeled. These days there are so many fucking labels that people ask me about them and I just shrug and say I have no fucking clue anymore.
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Sep 23, 2021, 19:44
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milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 23, 2021, 19:23:
There certainly seems to be a lot of lesbian, futa, etc hentai games overlooked, I guess those must be somehow too "heteronormative"

Am I missing something? I read the page and it doesn't appear that they've even announced categories, let alone nominees or winners. How can you say that certain types of games have been overlooked? Are you referring to a previous year?

I'm also not sure why you'd expect shitty shovelware porn games to win any awards from anyone, LGBT community or anywhere else. It might be helpful if you gave specific examples of porn games you feel deserved awards but were snubbed.
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Sep 23, 2021, 19:42
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Sep 23, 2021, 19:42
 
milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 23, 2021, 19:23:
"With a mission to celebrate diversity and inclusivity globally within games and interactive media"
Ahh so like every other mainstream award show now.

I can't wait till they have to rename their brand due to Gay being too specific for the "queer community"

There certainly seems to be a lot of lesbian, futa, etc hentai games overlooked, I guess those must be somehow too "heteronormative"

Do you have actual complaints, or do you just want us to watch you battle a straw man?
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Sep 23, 2021, 19:23
 
"With a mission to celebrate diversity and inclusivity globally within games and interactive media"
Ahh so like every other mainstream award show now.

I can't wait till they have to rename their brand due to Gay being too specific for the "queer community"

There certainly seems to be a lot of lesbian, futa, etc hentai games overlooked, I guess those must be somehow too "heteronormative"
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