d00d wrote on Sep 21, 2021, 18:57:
Project Veritas are the only true journalists left, other ''journalist'' have tried to discredit them but they had to retract all their articles, more than 300 now.

UPDATE: On 5/21/21, Project Veritas added Media Bias Fact Check to their Wall of Shame. The Wall of Shame is where they put news organizations or reporters who may have retracted a statement about PV or published something they deem false about their organization. Our crime was removing a clerical error from this page, specifically, a link to Politifact under our failed fact checks section. The link was removed because it did not belong on this page. It was meant to be placed on the Neonnettle source page. Yes, the editor dropped the ball on this one as he is human.

d00d wrote on Sep 21, 2021, 18:57:
Project Veritas are the only true journalists left, other ''journalist'' have tried to discredit them but they had to retract all their articles, more than 300 now.

You might not like how and what they unveil but you can't say they are liars when you can see their lips move and actual video ''out of context'' my ass, this is what someone says when they've been caught., or show me ONE lie they published. MSM FABRICATES news left and right and you gobble it up without any questions, truely pathetic.

Mr. Tact wrote on Sep 21, 2021, 19:29:
You bothered to create an account to say that?

Dash wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 22:36:

Beamer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 22:17:

Dash wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 22:12:

Beamer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 21:52:
And saying "everyone does it" is a cowardly response after coming out defending these guys.

Where did I defend their actions? Where did I defend ANY actions on any side that does this sort of thing?
If I am not excoriating then, then I MUST be supporting them? Is that the line of logic you wish to use?
Stop being disingenuous.

Was "predictable responses" not complaining about the responses here mocking PV for being a terrible organization?

You felt the need to call out those calling them out. That's a defense. And, by not thinking they're a terrible organization that does nothing but lie and misrepresent, you're not interested in the truth.

So because I don't think in a fashion that aligns on a subject that you consider, that is a defense of their actions.
Yeah. No. Seen more vitriol and garbage from all sides of the aisles, to not place full faith in anyone. Grains of Salt goes with everything.

If ANY news group/journalism outlet does scummy stuff like that, they need to be brought out.
And I sure hope you don't believe that you aren't being lied to, at all. That you're told the truth, unvarnished and stark.

Good day.

Dash wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 22:12:

Beamer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 21:52:
And saying "everyone does it" is a cowardly response after coming out defending these guys.

Where did I defend their actions? Where did I defend ANY actions on any side that does this sort of thing?
If I am not excoriating then, then I MUST be supporting them? Is that the line of logic you wish to use?
Stop being disingenuous.

Beamer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 22:17:

Dash wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 22:12:

Beamer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 21:52:
And saying "everyone does it" is a cowardly response after coming out defending these guys.

Where did I defend their actions? Where did I defend ANY actions on any side that does this sort of thing?
If I am not excoriating then, then I MUST be supporting them? Is that the line of logic you wish to use?
Stop being disingenuous.

Was "predictable responses" not complaining about the responses here mocking PV for being a terrible organization?

You felt the need to call out those calling them out. That's a defense. And, by not thinking they're a terrible organization that does nothing but lie and misrepresent, you're not interested in the truth.

Dash wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 22:12:

Beamer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 21:52:
And saying "everyone does it" is a cowardly response after coming out defending these guys.

Where did I defend their actions? Where did I defend ANY actions on any side that does this sort of thing?
If I am not excoriating then, then I MUST be supporting them? Is that the line of logic you wish to use?
Stop being disingenuous.

Beamer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 21:52:
And saying "everyone does it" is a cowardly response after coming out defending these guys.

Dash wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 19:29:

jdreyer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 18:18:

"...edits the videos to remove any context to make their victims seem to say something they didn't.

Awful lot of that from all sorts of different places, seems like, no? Way too many talking heads telling people what to think, rather than presenting full information and allowing the viewer to judge on their own.

jdreyer wrote:

Regardless of one's politics, we should not want organizations like this "contributing" to our political discourse. If there's wrongdoing, investigative journalists should uncover it using traditional and rigorous methods to get to the truth.

There's plenty of wrongdoing. Problem is, politics and tribalism seems to be at the forefront, rather than a genuine pursuit of truth even if that truth may be inconvenient and who it may make look bad.

Spider's Chair Leg of Truth needs to make its rounds.

Dash wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 19:29:

jdreyer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 18:18:

"...edits the videos to remove any context to make their victims seem to say something they didn't.

Awful lot of that from all sorts of different places, seems like, no? Way too many talking heads telling people what to think, rather than presenting full information and allowing the viewer to judge on their own.

jdreyer wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 18:18:

"...edits the videos to remove any context to make their victims seem to say something they didn't.

jdreyer wrote:

Regardless of one's politics, we should not want organizations like this "contributing" to our political discourse. If there's wrongdoing, investigative journalists should uncover it using traditional and rigorous methods to get to the truth.

Dash wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 15:51:
Predictable responses.

"The postal worker signed the affidavit under penalty of law, but if these accusations are indeed false, Project Veritas could also potentially be on the hook for defamation," Jon Sherman, senior counsel at the Fair Elections Center, told Salon. "If those allegations are false, then they have defamed the Erie postmaster by falsely accusing him of instructing people to backdate ballots."

"It could be witness tampering or suborning perjury, depending on the facts and Pennsylvania state law defining those crimes," another election law attorney told Salon on condition of anonymity.

Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, an election law expert and professor at Stetson University, outlined in an email to Salon the possible legal ramifications at both federal and state levels.

"If this was done before a federal court then there's a strong argument that it would violate 18 U.S. Code § 1622 as a subornation of perjury," Torres-Spelliscy said. "If it were before a state court then it could be illegal as perjury under the Pennsylvania statutes."

NKD wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 12:36:

ldonyo wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 11:56:
Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of assholes.

Love to see scammers get scammed

ldonyo wrote on Sep 20, 2021, 11:56:
Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of assholes.