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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 14, 2021, 00:35
Jivaro
 
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 14, 2021, 00:35
Sep 14, 2021, 00:35
 Jivaro
 
In general, I am pro-leave the server on until the last player disconnects. It is, from virtually any perspective the dumbest business decision. I still think they should have to run it. Sony created the problem of the server, it should be on them to maintain it for any customers still using it. That said, never in a million years would I imagine any corporation actually does much else then what is profitable or tax deductible.
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 23:56
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 23:56
Sep 13, 2021, 23:56
 
NKD wrote on Sep 13, 2021, 22:53:
Running servers as a charity for the 5 people still using them is probably not in the cards.

Hundreds to thousands of people still play the games. A couple of servers isn't going to cost them a lot.

And companies need to find a way to arbitrarily spin up (or down) servers for old games, instead of just killing them. As long as they still sell the game, customers have a right to the full game.
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 22:53
NKD
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 22:53
Sep 13, 2021, 22:53
NKD
 
Running servers as a charity for the 5 people still using them is probably not in the cards.
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 22:47
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 22:47
Sep 13, 2021, 22:47
 
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 13, 2021, 20:33:
DDOS protection costs money. So does maintaining and running the servers.

Let's strip out the monetary side for a moment and deal with the technical side of it:

DDoS protection is a business cost at this point in life. It's something you build into your network much the same way you would protection against the usual script kiddie tricks like port scans, brute force attacks, etc. If you're not running your own DC, then whomever you're buying bandwidth from probably has it in place as well to protect all their customers, not just one. In my experience, it's almost all from the Script Kiddie Trinity: Russia, China, and India. Region block those three right out of the gate at the Class A level. Then you mop up the stragglers. A competent network team can do that in their sleep.

I doubt there are actual "servers" involved. As in a whole bare metal instance dedicated to this one thing. VMs I would believe. But at this point, if your population is low enough, you could probably containerize the instance and it would just be one container amidst a vast fleet of containers. It would be a blip in your orchestration.

But on the other hand, what it lacks in hardware costs is made up in manpower and I would wager it was "Bob spends 5 hours a week babysitting this problem child. Surely Bob has better things to do. Kill it."

Then you add the monetary side of it back in and Bob's salary is more than whatever income is being generated by this X year old game.


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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 22:43
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 22:43
Sep 13, 2021, 22:43
 
Rilcon wrote on Sep 13, 2021, 22:24:
Games being really old is a poor excuse for outright killing their online; there are people that, for one reason or another, center their lives around certain games, and there are people without financial resources that have "old game on 12 year old console" as their most valued possession.

Sony should have a service-wide solution to DDoSing in place, and they should have the capacity to have at least one guy go through old games with user submitted content once a week for any weird behaviour or bad shit.

I'm not surprised or disappointed that they don't, because I didn't expect it, particularly not from Sony. But oh well.
As explained in the post right before yours, this isn't about the DDOS but about the offensive messages someone is repeatedly hacking in.

At some point, moderation and patching just isn't worth it. For a game this old, who knows if anyone that even knows how to fix this is still around.


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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 22:24
Rilcon
 
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 22:24
Sep 13, 2021, 22:24
 Rilcon
 
Games being really old is a poor excuse for outright killing their online; there are people that, for one reason or another, center their lives around certain games, and there are people without financial resources that have "old game on 12 year old console" as their most valued possession.

Sony should have a service-wide solution to DDoSing in place, and they should have the capacity to have at least one guy go through old games with user submitted content once a week for any weird behaviour or bad shit.

I'm not surprised or disappointed that they don't, because I didn't expect it, particularly not from Sony. But oh well.
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 21:26
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 21:26
Sep 13, 2021, 21:26
 
The games going offline are between 7 and 13 years old, for the PS3/Vita, too. At some point it makes sense to cut those off anyway, especially if ALL of their user-generated content is still being preserved within the PS4 version of the game.

And in searching those release dates, I found out it wasn't just a DDoS issue. Said asshole(s) also abused exploits in the games to inject hate speech and other offensive messages into error pop-ups, which were forced onto your screen by malicious scripts embedded in some levels. The more I read about it, the less I am surprised that the latest Sackboy game on PS5 is a straightforward platforming adventure game, without any sort of level editor or online community features... A few rotten apples spoiled the bunch. That sort of bullshit is exactly why Nintendo has such barebones online servicing for their games. It's just too much of a headache these days to keep it clean enough for kids.
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 21:17
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 21:17
Sep 13, 2021, 21:17
 
"They Have The Money"
LOL
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a person who was complaining about illegal dumping. (mattresses setting by a dumpster on a back street)
She thought that waste disposal should pick up the illegally dumped bulk items. The company is called LDS Waste Disposal after all, she actually said that.
I said it's not in their contract and they are not going to do anything that is not in their contract. The city can pay for a separate pickup.
The city can also add "pick up illegally dumped bulk items" when it comes time to negotiate a new contract, but you can bet your ass LDS will charge for it.

Now maybe if Sony changed the name of their company to KOSRFOGTVFPP Keeps Old Servers Running For Old Games That Very Few People Play, it would make sense.
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 20:42
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 20:42
Sep 13, 2021, 20:42
 
RedEye9 wrote on Sep 13, 2021, 20:33:
Razumen wrote on Sep 13, 2021, 20:30:
jacobvandy wrote on Sep 13, 2021, 20:14:
Or you can blame the asshole(s) relentlessly DDoS-ing their servers and forcing them to tighten up security...

Sony's a big company, they should know how to do internet security by now.
DDOS protection costs money. So does maintaining and running the servers.
if it ain't profitable, it ain't happening

Again, they have the money, and DDOS protection isn't just for one server, it would benefit them all.
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 20:33
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 20:33
Sep 13, 2021, 20:33
 
Razumen wrote on Sep 13, 2021, 20:30:
jacobvandy wrote on Sep 13, 2021, 20:14:
Or you can blame the asshole(s) relentlessly DDoS-ing their servers and forcing them to tighten up security...

Sony's a big company, they should know how to do internet security by now.
DDOS protection costs money. So does maintaining and running the servers.
if it ain't profitable, it ain't happening
- I refer to it as BC, Before Corona, and AD, After Disaster. -
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 20:30
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Sep 13, 2021, 20:30
 
jacobvandy wrote on Sep 13, 2021, 20:14:
Or you can blame the asshole(s) relentlessly DDoS-ing their servers and forcing them to tighten up security...

Sony's a big company, they should know how to do internet security by now.
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 20:14
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 20:14
Sep 13, 2021, 20:14
 
Or you can blame the asshole(s) relentlessly DDoS-ing their servers and forcing them to tighten up security...
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Re: Evening Consolidation
Sep 13, 2021, 20:09
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Re: Evening Consolidation Sep 13, 2021, 20:09
Sep 13, 2021, 20:09
 
This is the equivalence of shooting your dog to protect it from getting older.
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