RedEye9 wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 15:42:
Blame me. I only read the headline: Why Texas's strict abortion law is terrible for the economy
It has bunches of stats, suffice to say not being able to terminate an unwanted pregnancy leads to nothing good.

That is very true, but as witnessed, I really don't think they care about that all too much.

That being said Texas has what they call CHIP, or Children's Health Insurance Program (low-income, but still too high to be covered by Medicaid), but alas they shot down adding contraceptive coverage to it despite having a massive increase in teenage pregnancies, they were like 9th in the US if I remember correctly.

An article explaining this can be found here. I mean, they have made it so you have to play insurance roulette just to get anything done there.

There's literally hundreds of articles all explaining that Texas goes well out of its way to make it difficult for people to control unplanned pregnancies...well, outside of the touted abstinence methods, which anyone with half a brain cell knows isn't a plausible methodology.

DarkCntry wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 15:31:

RedEye9 wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 12:10:

jdreyer wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 12:04:
It would be "funny" if the Uber driver reported and sued the woman he brought to the clinic, then the abortion protestor staking out the clinic did the same to the Uber driver.

There was an article yesterday saying the new unconstitutional law would damage the Texas economy because Host’s who are forced to give birth would be taken out of the workforce. But I can see how your new cottage economy will over correct for any loss due to host’s leaving the workforce to raise their unwanted children. so much winning

You know, I'd normally agree with most of this, but based upon just Texas' foster care stats it is rather apparent that they aren't really caring about economy impacts...hell, they barely support said care financially as-is. What it does appear to be happening is the self-perpetuating cycle of creating impoverished sub-classes of populations to cover anything that their immigrant population doesn't support.

George Carlin was pretty prescient with his statements in regards to "Pro-lifers" and their disdain for anything post 9 months, pre-18 years. I mean, he pretty much predicted everything that has taken place over the last several months in regards to this whole topic...

They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re preborn, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.

I mean, he also did point out that Conservatives don't care about children post 9 months until they reach military age, which I'm pretty sure is also very true.

Blame me. I only read the headline: Why Texas's strict abortion law is terrible for the economy
It has bunches of stats, suffice to say not being able to terminate an unwanted pregnancy leads to nothing good.

RedEye9 wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 12:10:

jdreyer wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 12:04:
It would be "funny" if the Uber driver reported and sued the woman he brought to the clinic, then the abortion protestor staking out the clinic did the same to the Uber driver.

There was an article yesterday saying the new unconstitutional law would damage the Texas economy because Host’s who are forced to give birth would be taken out of the workforce. But I can see how your new cottage economy will over correct for any loss due to host’s leaving the workforce to raise their unwanted children. so much winning

You know, I'd normally agree with most of this, but based upon just Texas' foster care stats it is rather apparent that they aren't really caring about economy impacts...hell, they barely support said care financially as-is. What it does appear to be happening is the self-perpetuating cycle of creating impoverished sub-classes of populations to cover anything that their immigrant population doesn't support.

George Carlin was pretty prescient with his statements in regards to "Pro-lifers" and their disdain for anything post 9 months, pre-18 years. I mean, he pretty much predicted everything that has taken place over the last several months in regards to this whole topic...

They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re preborn, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.

I mean, he also did point out that Conservatives don't care about children post 9 months until they reach military age, which I'm pretty sure is also very true.

RedEye9 wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 11:58:
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If I was you I’d be more angry that somebody thought you were American.
The trolling part is a far second.

Seriously, not a all RedEye9 !
Even with today's political craziness and capitalistic excesses, I know what countries I would like to lead in the world's stage.

A Merkel's Germany -goodbye Angela -, a healed democratic USA, ...
(I think that matriarchal governments could be generally way better than patriarchal ones, a la Jacinda Ardern).

China ? Haha, no, thanks. Let's not even mention historically rogue Russia.

Note: England ? Dumbasses brexited their way out of world relevancy, and with exactly the same arguments, opened wide the Scotland and Ireland exit window.

This comment was edited on Sep 9, 2021, 09:29.

jdreyer wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 12:04:
It would be "funny" if the Uber driver reported and sued the woman he brought to the clinic, then the abortion protestor staking out the clinic did the same to the Uber driver.

There was an article yesterday saying the new unconstitutional law would damage the Texas economy because Host’s who are forced to give birth would be taken out of the workforce. But I can see how your new cottage economy will over correct for any loss due to host’s leaving the workforce to raise their unwanted children. so much winning

Is there any difference between forcing a woman to carry a fetus to term to save its life, and forcing people to give blood or a kidney to save a sick person's life?

Beamer wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 10:13:

ududy wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 09:48:

TheBigVlad wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 00:01:
If this CEO was a woman who was praising laws that banned contraceptive methods for men only (vasectomy, etc.) then she would rightly be called batshit crazy and asked to step down I think. I don't think it's too much to ask from a CEO that they don't treat the opposite sex as second class citizens. Just because a significant portion of the US believes that women are indeed second class citizens doesn't mean that we have to just accept it and move on. Believe what you want, and feel free to share those beliefs all you want, but as many have said already, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. This guy was not banned from Twitter, or jailed for expressing his opinion. He's still free to say whatever hateful garbage he wants.

A false analogy; you really can't compare killing someone's gametes (of which he has an unlimited amount) to killing 20-28 week old fetuses (20-28 weeks being the maximum allowed age of a fetus at the time of abortion in most US states). Of course, being against abortion from the moment of fertilization is an extreme view, and I don't know if this ex-CEO's support of the law is indicative of such a view, but abortions close to the outer edge of what the law allows are arguably not much different than taking a newborn baby and throwing him/her in the trash (well, maybe an abortion is a quicker death than hypothermia or dehydration, so in that regard there is some difference).

This law is at 6 weeks. Not 20. Not 28. 6.

At what week do you suppose most women know they're pregnant?

This also ignores the vigilante aspect, in which people are encouraged to report, and in which Uber drivers taking a woman to Planned Parenthood, which is normal for any young woman, can be liable if she gets an abortion.

So yes, he tweeted his support of all of the above.

It would be "funny" if the Uber driver reported and sued the woman he brought to the clinic, then the abortion protestor staking out the clinic did the same to the Uber driver.

WannaLogAlready wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 08:23:

VaranDragon wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 05:28:

milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 03:45:
I dunno man is this supposed to be a side argument of Lenin was better than Stalin? Because a lazy ass search comes up with " Abortion was legalized in 1920, making the Soviet Union the first country to do so; however, it was banned again between 1936 and 1955"
(In SOVIET RUSSIA voice) Women were also equally sent to the gulag and conscripted into the military.

No it wasn't. It was a counterargument against his blatant trolling. I'm sick and tired of Americans blaming Communism, or Germany, or Russia, or China, or (*insert race of choice) people etc. for everything and anything and acting as if they invented sugar and spice and everything nice. It's bullshit and needs to be called out.

Snuffing the Hosts/Women rights to their bodies or planning a better future for themselves and a chosen family is terrible.

But I thought way worse the Orwellian legalizing of snitching to punish or deter dissenters and doctors, families, etc.

This clearly opens the floodgates to harassing or punishing personal, economic or political enemies. Also bullying, trolling or swatting for "fun".

Those dynamics appeared in religious persecutions, Inquisition, heretic/scientists/witch/racial hunts, McCarthyism, etc.

https://www.newsweek.com/soviet-era-snitching-returns-russia-328036

And Stalin may have killed more people than Hitler with decades of purges.
Forget about sending or putting unarmed masses in the way of the nazis genocides as flesh trenches (Stalingrad).

As for American blatant trolling, I'm a latino from Argentina.
A sudaca (sudamericano + sudor = sweat) if you prefer derogatory parlance.
Playing the victim/aggrieved card here since it's the raging fad

And past USA governments played really foul hands (also in Chile, Uruguay, etc) in deposing ours.
Also in training our military for the war against marxists, deriving in the missing (desaparecidos) criminal excesses.

If I was you I’d be more angry that somebody thought you were American. The trolling part is a far second.

Beamer wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 10:13:

ududy wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 09:48:

TheBigVlad wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 00:01:
If this CEO was a woman who was praising laws that banned contraceptive methods for men only (vasectomy, etc.) then she would rightly be called batshit crazy and asked to step down I think. I don't think it's too much to ask from a CEO that they don't treat the opposite sex as second class citizens. Just because a significant portion of the US believes that women are indeed second class citizens doesn't mean that we have to just accept it and move on. Believe what you want, and feel free to share those beliefs all you want, but as many have said already, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. This guy was not banned from Twitter, or jailed for expressing his opinion. He's still free to say whatever hateful garbage he wants.

A false analogy; you really can't compare killing someone's gametes (of which he has an unlimited amount) to killing 20-28 week old fetuses (20-28 weeks being the maximum allowed age of a fetus at the time of abortion in most US states). Of course, being against abortion from the moment of fertilization is an extreme view, and I don't know if this ex-CEO's support of the law is indicative of such a view, but abortions close to the outer edge of what the law allows are arguably not much different than taking a newborn baby and throwing him/her in the trash (well, maybe an abortion is a quicker death than hypothermia or dehydration, so in that regard there is some difference).

This law is at 6 weeks. Not 20. Not 28. 6.

At what week do you suppose most women know they're pregnant?

This also ignores the vigilante aspect, in which people are encouraged to report, and in which Uber drivers taking a woman to Planned Parenthood, which is normal for any young woman, can be liable if she gets an abortion.

So yes, he tweeted his support of all of the above.

But at least a RAPED Host has 6 weeks to get an abortion, if she fails in that period of time she gets to keep her beautiful RAPE prize. /SARCASM
This is the modern “conservative” GQP playing to the lowest common denominator in their disgusting search for votes.

Ash wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 10:19:

RedEye9 wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 01:34:

Ash wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 01:11:
Can't edit or delete previous comment, very strange.

Normal users cannot delete posts so there's nothing odd about that.
If you want to delete an entire post just replace it with the word removed or deleted.

You can always edit a post. Maybe you weren't logged in or clicked edit on someone else's post by mistake.

Doh
It didn't let me edit it, I tried multiple times lol.

I figured it out, your post had a RED * REMOVED * from a previous quote.
That will stop you from being able to edit the post.
I learned that one through trial and error.

RedEye9 wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 01:34:

Ash wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 01:11:
Can't edit or delete previous comment, very strange.

Normal users cannot delete posts so there's nothing odd about that.
If you want to delete an entire post just replace it with the word removed or deleted.

You can always edit a post. Maybe you weren't logged in or clicked edit on someone else's post by mistake.

It didn't let me edit it, I tried multiple times lol.

ududy wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 09:48:

TheBigVlad wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 00:01:
If this CEO was a woman who was praising laws that banned contraceptive methods for men only (vasectomy, etc.) then she would rightly be called batshit crazy and asked to step down I think. I don't think it's too much to ask from a CEO that they don't treat the opposite sex as second class citizens. Just because a significant portion of the US believes that women are indeed second class citizens doesn't mean that we have to just accept it and move on. Believe what you want, and feel free to share those beliefs all you want, but as many have said already, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. This guy was not banned from Twitter, or jailed for expressing his opinion. He's still free to say whatever hateful garbage he wants.

A false analogy; you really can't compare killing someone's gametes (of which he has an unlimited amount) to killing 20-28 week old fetuses (20-28 weeks being the maximum allowed age of a fetus at the time of abortion in most US states). Of course, being against abortion from the moment of fertilization is an extreme view, and I don't know if this ex-CEO's support of the law is indicative of such a view, but abortions close to the outer edge of what the law allows are arguably not much different than taking a newborn baby and throwing him/her in the trash (well, maybe an abortion is a quicker death than hypothermia or dehydration, so in that regard there is some difference).

This law is at 6 weeks. Not 20. Not 28. 6.

At what week do you suppose most women know they're pregnant?

This also ignores the vigilante aspect, in which people are encouraged to report, and in which Uber drivers taking a woman to Planned Parenthood, which is normal for any young woman, can be liable if she gets an abortion.

So yes, he tweeted his support of all of the above.

TheBigVlad wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 00:01:
If this CEO was a woman who was praising laws that banned contraceptive methods for men only (vasectomy, etc.) then she would rightly be called batshit crazy and asked to step down I think. I don't think it's too much to ask from a CEO that they don't treat the opposite sex as second class citizens. Just because a significant portion of the US believes that women are indeed second class citizens doesn't mean that we have to just accept it and move on. Believe what you want, and feel free to share those beliefs all you want, but as many have said already, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. This guy was not banned from Twitter, or jailed for expressing his opinion. He's still free to say whatever hateful garbage he wants.

A false analogy; you really can't compare killing someone's gametes (of which he has an unlimited amount) to killing 20-28 week old fetuses (20-28 weeks being the maximum allowed age of a fetus at the time of abortion in most US states). Of course, being against abortion from the moment of fertilization is an extreme view, and I don't know if this ex-CEO's support of the law is indicative of such a view, but abortions close to the outer edge of what the law allows are arguably not much different than taking a newborn baby and throwing him/her in the trash (well, maybe an abortion is a quicker death than hypothermia or dehydration, so in that regard there is some difference).

Cutter wrote on Sep 7, 2021, 20:40:
I am absolutely in the right and there's nothing to rethink.

This is the problem. Not that you would feel that way on any particular issue, most people would feel that way about one thing or another. But that you seem to feel this way about everything.

I don't know what happened but quite some time ago the tenor of most of your posts changed. In your post you said you get "infuriates me beyond all reason", let me tell you -- we've noticed. You should consider taking a break from it. I personally would avoid anything that infuriated me beyond reason as much as I could.

Quboid wrote on Sep 7, 2021, 13:10:

Beamer wrote on Sep 7, 2021, 11:33:
Why did Jamie Tartt find it so hard to find a new job despite being one of the best premier league players? Because he was a distraction.

... What? Who? The fictional person or am I missing something?

Haha. Thank you, that was my immediate reaction also.

VaranDragon wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 05:28:

milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 03:45:
I dunno man is this supposed to be a side argument of Lenin was better than Stalin? Because a lazy ass search comes up with " Abortion was legalized in 1920, making the Soviet Union the first country to do so; however, it was banned again between 1936 and 1955"
(In SOVIET RUSSIA voice) Women were also equally sent to the gulag and conscripted into the military.

No it wasn't. It was a counterargument against his blatant trolling. I'm sick and tired of Americans blaming Communism, or Germany, or Russia, or China, or (*insert race of choice) people etc. for everything and anything and acting as if they invented sugar and spice and everything nice. It's bullshit and needs to be called out.

Snuffing the Hosts/Women rights to their bodies or planning a better future for themselves and a chosen family is terrible.

But I thought way worse the Orwellian legalizing of snitching to punish or deter dissenters and doctors, families, etc.

This clearly opens the floodgates to harassing or punishing personal, economic or political enemies. Also bullying, trolling or swatting for "fun".

Those dynamics appeared in religious persecutions, Inquisition, heretic/scientists/witch/racial hunts, McCarthyism, etc.

https://www.newsweek.com/soviet-era-snitching-returns-russia-328036

And Stalin may have killed more people than Hitler with decades of purges.
Forget about sending or putting unarmed masses in the way of the nazis genocides as flesh trenches (Stalingrad).

As for American blatant trolling, I'm a latino from Argentina.
A sudaca (sudamericano + sudor = sweat) if you prefer derogatory parlance.
Playing the victim/aggrieved card here since it's the raging fad

And past USA governments played really foul hands (also in Chile, Uruguay, etc) in deposing ours.
Also in training our military for the war against marxists, deriving in the missing (desaparecidos) criminal excesses.

VaranDragon wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 05:28:

milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 03:45:
I dunno man is this supposed to be a side argument of Lenin was better than Stalin? Because a lazy ass search comes up with " Abortion was legalized in 1920, making the Soviet Union the first country to do so; however, it was banned again between 1936 and 1955"
(In SOVIET RUSSIA voice) Women were also equally sent to the gulag and conscripted into the military.

No it wasn't. It was a counterargument against his blatant trolling. I'm sick and tired of Americans blaming Communism, or Germany, or Russia, or China, or (*insert race of choice) people etc. for everything and anything and acting as if they invented sugar and spice and everything nice. It's bullshit and needs to be called out.

Well it is a USA based website so you are going to get USA leaning opinions, but might be better to pick your "point out hypocrisy battles" better than ending up defending Stalin.
Maybe you misunderstood, but WannaLogAlready was essentially saying the abortion law in question is very authoritarian in nature. I don't think many would consider that a troll take on the subject.

milspecmonkey wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 03:45:
I dunno man is this supposed to be a side argument of Lenin was better than Stalin? Because a lazy ass search comes up with " Abortion was legalized in 1920, making the Soviet Union the first country to do so; however, it was banned again between 1936 and 1955"
(In SOVIET RUSSIA voice) Women were also equally sent to the gulag and conscripted into the military.

No it wasn't. It was a counterargument against his blatant trolling. I'm sick and tired of Americans blaming Communism, or Germany, or Russia, or China, or (*insert race of choice) people etc. for everything and anything and acting as if they invented sugar and spice and everything nice. It's bullshit and needs to be called out.

I knew this would become a political thread and I see the red colored "removed" text in the exchanges.

VaranDragon wrote on Sep 8, 2021, 02:44:

WannaLogAlready wrote on Sep 7, 2021, 14:09:
That "law" is an inhuman monstruosity out of Belarus or Stalin's Russia.

In Soviet Russia, women actually had ownership of their own reproductive rights. Go read a history book sometime. 1920, the Russian Soviet Republic under Lenin became the first country in the world in the modern era to allow abortion in all circumstances. For the most part women's rights were significantly better in Communist countries compared to the West.

I dunno man is this supposed to be a side argument of Lenin was better than Stalin? Because a lazy ass search comes up with " Abortion was legalized in 1920, making the Soviet Union the first country to do so; however, it was banned again between 1936 and 1955"
(In SOVIET RUSSIA voice) Women were also equally sent to the gulag and conscripted into the military.