Sepharo wrote on Jul 2, 2021, 11:33:
Quinn wrote on Jul 2, 2021, 11:22:
Quinn wrote on Jul 2, 2021, 04:03:
Do you understand that your approach to this subject puts you at odds with jdryer?
Sepharo wrote on Jul 2, 2021, 11:08:
It doesn't, you can read what he wrote again and again... it says the same thing that roguebanshee and I also said, as does the wikipedia article, as does the law, as does Dutch law, regarding discrimination.
While I appreciate the time you put into this, you are preaching to the choir at this point. It's true that initially, due to the context of the discussion, I went about the "protected group" aspect clumsily. But we're past that. Been past that for a while now. I'll say it again: I understand and have always understood that white people are a race and that male is a gender.
But let's forget it. You choose not to consider the context regarding the discussion from comment 79 and up. That's fine. I've been foolish to let go of the theory -- pragmatist that I am -- and focus more on in which context the "protected group" part was injected. Again, the context was this in a very tiny nutshell: Man gets fired. That's ok, we don't need a reason in Californian law. So if a black man gets fired for the same non-reasons, that's ok? No [inject protected group reference here].
Hope that tiny nutshell explains how shit got derailed.
Wow you almost admitted that you were confused about what "protected group" meant... ALMOST!
No nothing was derailed, you continued to pretend that you weren't confused while your posting made it clear that you were... at some point I think you figured it out, but yeah just can't seem to admit fully what happened.
The best we'll get is "went about the 'protected group' aspect clumsily".
No you were straight up wrong in your understanding of jdreyer's post as repeatedly demonstrated.
If that's not the case, then why claim that he said something he didn't?
Why differentiate roguebanshee's response from his?
Why say that I'm at odds with him?
I'm trying to convey that to you by pointing out the context. While I understood the theory of the "protected group" -- that straight white males are part of this group, or every single breathing human in existence -- I don't believe this protection protects all of us equally. I focussed on that last part to such an extent that I indeed sounded like I didn't understand the theory. This is why I call it being clumsy. When this happened:
Man gets fired. That's ok, we don't need a reason in Californian law. So if a black man gets fired for the same non-reasons, that's ok? No because *protected group reference got injected* I think I'm not the only one who doubts this. Maybe jdryer does too? I can't speak for him. But why else is it OK to fire a man for no reason, but when the thought experiment gets injected about a black man being fired for no reason we start talking about the protected group? Again. Context.
I have zero issues with admitting I'm wrong. In fact, I love to be proven wrong because every second I think something that's incorrect, is a second too long. So keep 'em coming, and treat me with the charity of believing me on this. While you spend no energy trying to sound less condescening and are tenaciously selective to what's being said when we communicate, at least it feels somewhat honest. Those two cellar-dwellers could learn at least something from merely observing and shutting the fuck up for a change.