Chris Avellone Files Libel Suit

Game writer Chris Avellone has filed a libel lawsuit over sexual misconduct allegations that surfaced against him one year ago (thanks D.M. Schmeyer via Gamasutra). Just yesterday we mentioned a few posts by Chris addressing the situation, and clearly these were related to the lawsuit. The defendants are listed as Karissa Barrows, Kelly Bristol, and 100 Jane Does, and the complaint includes a demand for jury trial. Part of it alleges conspiratorial behavior:
Avellone is informed and believes, and based thereon alleges, that at all times herein mentioned, each unnamed Defendant was the agent of the other named Defendant(s) herein, and at all times were and are acting within the purpose and scope of such agency, and with the permission and consent of his/her/its named co-Defendant(s) with knowledge, authorization, permission, consent, and/or subsequent ratification and approval of each co-Defendant. Avellone is further informed and believes, and based thereon alleges, that each named and unnamed Defendant knowingly and willfully conspired and agreed among themselves to deprive Avellone of his rights and to cause the damages described herein.
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Jun 29, 2021, 02:11
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WannaLogAlready wrote on Jun 29, 2021, 01:53:
Acleacius, would you mind clarifying if you are male or female ?
I've wondered before, but now it would help to better assess your valued opinion.
male and thanks, but honestly not sure my opinion should be valued.
However, I fully endorse myself as full of crap!
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Jun 29, 2021, 01:53
 
Acleacius, would you mind clarifying if you are male or female ?
I've wondered before, but now it would help to better assess your valued opinion.

From my experience, box sexes being human, too many people with a position that empowers them, (even the very basic one: society favors males), will abuse others to some extent.
I'm not excluding myself.

Both sexes will do it, but imho males tend to be insensitive not being often or constantly on the receiving end.

As to Avellone, let justice work, though it can be fallible.
Sad to see this.





This comment was edited on Jun 29, 2021, 02:13.
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Jun 29, 2021, 01:25
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jdreyer wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 21:01:
Acleacius wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 19:29:
Lmao, 100 Jane Does, what the fuck?! Wtf
That guy is in some deep shit, if he's had 100 girls complain about his behavior.
Deep, deep shit. 🤿💩
Reading the complaint, it appears that he's suing the people that amplified Kelly and Karissa's comments? Not that there were 100 different incidents.
Interesting (damn your braver than I, no way I wanted to read it ;), still strange and bizarre.
As I mentioned in the previous day's thread, all those companies he worked for freelance and even a partner at Obsidian.
All did months long investigations and found it was credible. Iirc, it was Obsidian who dumped him first years ago, he was bought out.
It must have happened there, they caught him and forced him to leave. It never made sense back then him leaving, why leave a
cushy job at a great company. Now though it seems he has some obsession because he clearly has a 50-50 chance of making things worst.

Additionally bizarre, anytime a guy gets caught or found guilty in court. Maleople in this forum pretend like they are innocent *despite*
evidence and guilt from jury or judge (crosby, weinstein). They seem to 'project innocence' on any male found guilty, even if the 'evidence' is without a doubt.
Apparently deluded to the point, in their minds males can't ever be held legally accountable for bad behavior against girls.
Or trying to project innocence on others, makes it easier to project innocence on themselves?
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Jun 29, 2021, 01:03
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GothicWizard wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 22:33:
As a whole, I am a believe the women claims kind of man by default in most every case I read about, as they in the vast amount of cases do seem genuine. However in a few cases something does not add up to me and is the statistical 1 in 20 sexual assault allegations are false category. This in teetering on that to me. Some of the facts he presented give me pause such as; her going on a twitter delete storm after the fact, trying to remove any positive mentions of chris, several photos of them together clearly hanging out again after the alleged assault, the jealousy/bitterness of her friend with a guy she passed on and then acting out irrationally isn't unheard of, her seemingly dropped her 'bombshell' late fri as a tactic to cause the most damage, chaos for him and then egging and congratulating those companies on the socials who dropped him. Comes off as very pretty and immature at best.

I find it less about a assault and more a sloppy organized petty hit job when looking at all these bits of data combined. I could be wrong, and he could have done everything that is claimed, I am not closing to that as a potential valid truth. But for now, looking at everything as a whole, something just isn't adding up to me on her end. I WANT to believe her but having difficulty at this point doing so.

Totally understand this perspective. At the same time, deleting old tweets doesn't necessarily mean anything. If you had a small army of gamers throwing your old tweets at you as she presumably did, you might be inclined to delete them just to shut people up. Happy photos don't prove absence of abuse, etc. Basically it seems impossible for any of us to know the truth right now.
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Jun 28, 2021, 23:35
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mildew wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 23:13:
In '89 i was falsely accused of rape, then days later was beaten by vigilante's until i had multiple severe head injuries. The system ( cops, judges, community, family ) in NZ called them the heroes and me the monster. I was an adolescent male so did not give up on life, but within 5 years the brain damage and trauma had broken me. The closest thing i ever will have to justice is seeing the country that did this to me starting to die. And its happening - at long last!

OMG. 😟
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Jun 28, 2021, 23:13
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Jun 28, 2021, 23:13
 
In '89 i was falsely accused of rape, then days later was beaten by vigilante's until i had multiple severe head injuries. The system ( cops, judges, community, family ) in NZ called them the heroes and me the monster. I was an adolescent male so did not give up on life, but within 5 years the brain damage and trauma had broken me. The closest thing i ever will have to justice is seeing the country that did this to me starting to die. And its happening - at long last!
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Jun 28, 2021, 22:33
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Jun 28, 2021, 22:33
 
As a whole, I am a believe the women claims kind of man by default in most every case I read about, as they in the vast amount of cases do seem genuine. However in a few cases something does not add up to me and is the statistical 1 in 20 sexual assault allegations are false category. This in teetering on that to me. Some of the facts he presented give me pause such as; her going on a twitter delete storm after the fact, trying to remove any positive mentions of chris, several photos of them together clearly hanging out again after the alleged assault, the jealousy/bitterness of her friend with a guy she passed on and then acting out irrationally isn't unheard of, her seemingly dropped her 'bombshell' late fri as a tactic to cause the most damage, chaos for him and then egging and congratulating those companies on the socials who dropped him. Comes off as very pretty and immature at best.

I find it less about a assault and more a sloppy organized petty hit job when looking at all these bits of data combined. I could be wrong, and he could have done everything that is claimed, I am not closing to that as a potential valid truth. But for now, looking at everything as a whole, something just isn't adding up to me on her end. I WANT to believe her but having difficulty at this point doing so.

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Jun 28, 2021, 21:57
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:57
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That's not a drinking game Red, that's just suicide.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:50
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I'm getting all fucked up.
Never play the drinking game where you have to suck down a Budweiser every time a misogynist says "gold diggers", "liberals" or "witch hunt."
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:32
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Cutter wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 21:17:
His accusers who are gold diggers looking for easy money?

Isn't this an accusation in itself? Shouldn't you be providing evidence? Here, I'll start by providing counter-evidence: Chris Avellone is a game writer. He is unlikely to be particularly wealthy, and thus not a juicy target for gold diggers. Also I only just skimmed his lawsuit, but he doesn't seem to make any claims about these individuals being financially motivated.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:23
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:23
 
Cutter wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 21:17:
Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

That's so 90s. Now it's the other way around because we have things like Twitter and the court of public opinion where even if you're innocent you're still guilty of something. Gossip
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:18
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:18
 
First thing Avellone should do is to drop the "100 Jane Does" as defendants--I mean, if he doesn't know who they are then he surely cannot prove they conspired against him, imo. Perhaps he imagines he will learn the identity of the small army of nameless women after Karissa Barrows & Kelly Bristol have been tortured for a few days, maybe? Bamboo shunts under the fingernails, I hear, is very effective in "making them talk." After that, a little rubber hose action coupled with bright lights, loud bangs, sleep deprivation, and injections of scopolamine, of course, the "truth serum"--and he will get the names of the female death squad conspiring to make his life a living hell for no reason at all. You know what they say, "Hell hath no fury like 100 scorned Jane Does!"

Karissa Barrows and Kelly Bristol are perhaps unwitting puppets being manipulated by this horde of the anonymous, 100 angry women who obviously loathe Avellone so much that they are completely unwilling to say a word about him or to even state their names for the record! No doubt, Avellone has deduced their existence all on his own, without a shred of empirical evidence to guide him! Aside, of course, from the knowledge that two defendants for whom he does have names are not likely to have conceived this nefarious plot against him without the help of the 100 vicious Jane Does! Yes, yes...it's all so obvious.

[not.] (Sounds like a publicity stunt by Avellone to me! Designed to cast scorn and derision on both sides of this melodrama, of course...;))

It is well known that I cannot err--and so, if you should happen across an error in anything I have written you can be absolutely sure that *I* did not write it!...;)
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:17
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jdreyer wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 21:03:
Don't ply women with drinks, then drink too much yourself? Bad things can happen, DragonCon or anywhere.

Sez who? His accusers who are gold diggers looking for easy money? There's zero shortage of men who have been screwed figuratively and literally by women like that. The only thing worse than a woman who falsely claims something like that are the liberals who are just looking for a witch hunt regardless of the actual facts. Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.

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Citizen P wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 20:14:
CIA Supervisor:
Jesus F***ing Christ. What did we learn, Palmer?

Palmer:
I don't know sir.

CIA Supervisor:
I don't f***ing know either. I guess we learned not to do it again. I'm f***ed if I know what we did.

Palmer:
Yes sir, it's hard to say.


Don't meet girls at Dragoncon bars, is that what we learned?
Don't ply women with drinks, then drink too much yourself? Bad things can happen, DragonCon or anywhere.
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:01
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Jun 28, 2021, 21:01
 
Acleacius wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 19:29:
Lmao, 100 Jane Does, what the fuck?! Wtf
That guy is in some deep shit, if he's had 100 girls complain about his behavior.
Deep, deep shit. 🤿💩
Reading the complaint, it appears that he's suing the people that amplified Kelly and Karissa's comments? Not that there were 100 different incidents.
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Jun 28, 2021, 20:59
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Kxmode wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 19:25:
His lawyer should advise him to NOT talk about or discuss the case on social media in any manner. Even mentioning the lawsuit should be a "need to know" basis as in nobody needs to know.

I read his tweet-storm. He's not a smart person. He should let justice work itself out through the courts instead of trying to win his case on Twitter.
It appears to me this is a "performative lawsuit," meaning it's for PR purposes, not legal purposes. So getting the word out is part of the "strategy," such as it is. He's trying to say "I'm innocent, and I'm fighting to defend myself." However, these kinds of lawsuits are really hard to win, and it's hard to see this coming out in favor for him. But perhaps he believes this necessary for him to "clear" his name. Also, it's a court case, so it's impossible to completely predict the outcome.
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Jun 28, 2021, 20:33
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Aw crap, now i gotta watch BaR again.
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Jun 28, 2021, 20:14
 
CIA Supervisor:
Jesus F***ing Christ. What did we learn, Palmer?

Palmer:
I don't know sir.

CIA Supervisor:
I don't f***ing know either. I guess we learned not to do it again. I'm f***ed if I know what we did.

Palmer:
Yes sir, it's hard to say.


Don't meet girls at Dragoncon bars, is that what we learned?
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Jun 28, 2021, 19:40
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Jun 28, 2021, 19:40
 
I thought I better check cuz Blue could be pulling our leg.
KARISSA BARROWS, an individual;
KELLY BRISTOL, an individual
;
and DOES 1-100
Nope, it's real.
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Jun 28, 2021, 19:33
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RedEye9 wrote on Jun 28, 2021, 19:27:
In before the snowflakes.
I don't think Chris has a chance, but let me preface that with ianal.
Down half elf, down boy.😜

One hunnert Jane Does. Is this fruitcake for real?

If they conspired and lied it is 100% valid to sue .-. IF

But boy his rants on Twitter did not help him
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