Jivaro wrote on Jun 18, 2021, 13:25:
To be fair Julian, that article on CNN shows more about how CNN is just not a very good news agency. Those numbers take a short period of time and assume the whole year will be like that....when that has literally never happened.

Your point about right/left wing media...I get. I could do with less interpretation and more facts/data. News is spoonfed to us with an opinion on it and all and people stop critically thinking. All of the mainstream news agencies do it. More news anchors, much less talking heads spinning everything would be my dream. I may agree with Rachel Maddow's politics, but I find her as useful as Tucker Carlson because she will absolutely jump into assumption land and deliver it as fact to her viewers. That's the sin to me..for both of those two.

Living here in California and for a time in Arizona, I can tell you that we often hear all the scary numbers and they never end up being that bad. The border is a fuck up on a national scale over multiple presidents and both political parties. If they had an adequate system and staff in place rather than treating it like a political hot potato this would have been solved decades ago. Might help if we stopped fucking around with central and south american politics, but that is wishful thinking I guess. I have seen Republicans campaign to protect the immigrants, in south central california, while their compadres in northern california were campaigning against it. All politics are local I guess.

Cable News, or really soundbite news (whether video, Twitter, whatever), is garbage. Text news, long-form, is generally fine. But Twitter and Cable News is just morons spewing moronic opinions, which is why it's so amazing to me when people whine about CNN but get their news from fringe Twitter or YouTube personalities. It's the same thing, only with less accountability.

That said, this is CNN text, which is generally fine. Same with Foxnews.com, for that matter. Both will have spins, but far less so than their cable reporting, and coverage is infinitely more broad.

That said, the number is counting how many people get stopped at the border. I don't really get what the President can do about how many we're stopping. In fact, it almost gets to a Trump-esque notion that if we think stopping them is bad, then let's just not stop them, like how he thought we wouldn't have a COVID issue if we just didn't test it. If 2 million came in 2006 but 50% got through, and 2 million come this year and 0% get through, it looks like this year was twice as bad but it was actually much better. These numbers are rounded to extremes for illustrative purposes, and I have no reason to doubt this year is particularly bad, but I just don't see how numbers stopped is particularly relevant, nor do I really understand what the President is supposed to do about people coming up from other countries. All we can control is how many we catch at the borders and what we do with them.

To be fair Julian, that article on CNN shows more about how CNN is just not a very good news agency. Those numbers take a short period of time and assume the whole year will be like that....when that has literally never happened.

Your point about right/left wing media...I get. I could do with less interpretation and more facts/data. News is spoonfed to us with an opinion on it and all and people stop critically thinking. All of the mainstream news agencies do it. More news anchors, much less talking heads spinning everything would be my dream. I may agree with Rachel Maddow's politics, but I find her as useful as Tucker Carlson because she will absolutely jump into assumption land and deliver it as fact to her viewers. That's the sin to me..for both of those two.

Living here in California and for a time in Arizona, I can tell you that we often hear all the scary numbers and they never end up being that bad. The border is a fuck up on a national scale over multiple presidents and both political parties. If they had an adequate system and staff in place rather than treating it like a political hot potato this would have been solved decades ago. Might help if we stopped fucking around with central and south american politics, but that is wishful thinking I guess. I have seen Republicans campaign to protect the immigrants, in south central california, while their compadres in northern california were campaigning against it. All politics are local I guess.

Too much right wing media. The number of people crossing the border hasn't changed much since Reagan. Only by watching right wing media would you be misled into believing it's a "crisis" or "invasion". The numbers fluctuate a bit every few years, but nothing has changed at the southern border in decades.

Wow...it's not possible to be more wrong. Must be convenient to be taught what to think and not how to think. Of course, you're going to say that CNN is a 'right wing' media source next I'm sure:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/politics/migrants-us-southern-border/index.html

At this point you shouldn't be trusting any major news source regardless of bias, but I'll go out on a limb and assume you aren't one to think much about bias nor the validity of data regardless of the source. Good luck to you in your pursuit of 'truth'.

Cutter wrote on Jun 17, 2021, 15:35:
Or what Joe? You'll give him a stern talking to? Why don't you do something about the millions of illegals crossing your southern border daily?

Too much right wing media. The number of people crossing the border hasn't changed much since Reagan. Only by watching right wing media would you be misled into believing it's a "crisis" or "invasion". The numbers fluctuate a bit every few years, but nothing has changed at the southern border in decades.

RedEye9 wrote on Jun 17, 2021, 15:20:

Saboth wrote on Jun 17, 2021, 14:42:
Finally a President who works for the USA and not Russia.

Amen brother.
🇺🇸👍

Don't misunderstand me, I have no love for Trump ( or for Mr. Presenile for that matter ), but...

Lol, what?

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This comment was edited on Jun 17, 2021, 18:16.

double post, very sorry!

This comment was edited on Jun 17, 2021, 18:16.

Cutter wrote on Jun 17, 2021, 15:35:
Or what Joe? You'll give him a stern talking to? Why don't you do something about the millions of illegals crossing your southern border daily?

It beats licking his boots and holding unrecorded meetings with his ministers in the WH, which is what the last guy did.

Cutter wrote on Jun 17, 2021, 15:35:
Or what Joe? You'll give him a stern talking to? Why don't you do something about the millions of illegals crossing your southern border daily?

That's a hell of a whataboutism to leap to...I mean, one doesn't have literally anything to do with the other but here we are...

As for the so-called 'crisis', gross hyperbole from you notwithstanding, a very vast majority of illegal crossings are blocked and expelled, with some 65% of them being Title 42'd.

Cutter wrote on Jun 17, 2021, 15:35:
Or what Joe? You'll give him a stern talking to? Why don't you do something about the millions of illegals crossing your southern border daily?

Those are different issues. He couldn't really solve one while talking to Putin, and he couldn't really ignore the G7 conference, so your complaint is odd.
Not to mention, millions are not crossing the border lately.

As for what Biden will do, he's getting a lot of flak for calling out 16 critical parts of infrastructure, but what he's doing is drawing a line in the sand. We can't get into a war with Russia for all of this, especially since there's no smoking gun. But if something happens to these 16...

Or what Joe? You'll give him a stern talking to? Why don't you do something about the millions of illegals crossing your southern border daily?

Saboth wrote on Jun 17, 2021, 14:42:
Finally a President who works for the USA and not Russia.

Amen brother.
🇺🇸👍

I’m sure Putin is shaking in his boots, coming from the “President” who can’t seem to remember what planet he’s on. This is the same Putin who just asked an NBC journalist, “Did you order the assassination of the woman (Ashli Babbitt) who walked into the Congress and who was shot and killed by a policeman?” What a joke. I could go on and on starting with Nord Stream 2, but that’s unnecessary.

Finally a President who works for the USA and not Russia.