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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 18, 2021, 19:27
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 18, 2021, 19:27
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This video talks about how anyone's success is often due to things beyond their control. Is success Luck or Hard Work?
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 18, 2021, 01:35
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 18, 2021, 01:35
Jun 18, 2021, 01:35
 Jivaro
 
Those are some excellent points about the art. I guess it does require those opportunities as well.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 17, 2021, 16:47
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 17, 2021, 16:47
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Srinivasa Ramanujan is probably another great genius. It is a great loss he didn't live a longer life.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 17, 2021, 16:35
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Jivaro wrote on Jun 17, 2021, 16:21:
I absolutely believe someone else would have done it if he hadn't
So, do I -- I said so. Since special relativity is "built into" the universe, it only makes sense we'd figure it out eventually. That said, I still think Einstein was a nearly singular genius. Is that true for everything else? Is it inevitable we will figure out dark matter and dark energy? Doesn't really seem like it now, but who knows...

and I believe that about basically any human accomplishment outside of art.
Highly debatable -- especially since there are things people call art which many wouldn't. Pollack's painting dripping... please. I'd say your argument applies just as well against artists. How many great painters could never afford a paint brush? How many great artists only became great artist because of opportunities they got which many others didn't? What about fiction writing? Does that qualify as art?

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Re: Evening Tech Bits
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 17, 2021, 16:27
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"Convention has it that if he had not come up with the special theory in 1905, someone else would have done so within a year or two. On the other hand, Einstein’s great leap from the special theory to the general theory – a new, non-Newtonian theory of gravity – is generally regarded as a unique stroke of genius that sprang from Einstein alone."
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 17, 2021, 16:21
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 17, 2021, 16:21
Jun 17, 2021, 16:21
 Jivaro
 
I think there is a grey area where a person can simultaneously agree that humans vary in potential for reasons that go far beyond simple biology (ie motivation) and yet also acknowledge that potential needs opportunity. Getting both at the same time is mostly effort of course but it has some luck too. I have a kind of epilepsy that if I had been born 100 years earlier I would have died at age 13 and that would have been normal. I wasn't though so it stopped having an affect on my life when I started treating it properly. I had the opportunity. I am not an Einstein but 100 years before Einstein...did an Einstein die prematurely due to an illness we had not yet learned to cope with? There are Einstein brains across the planet IMHO. They just die in a malaria epidemic or grow up in a trailer with no money to go to college....as examples. Einstein was special, but yes, I absolutely believe someone else would have done it if he hadn't and I believe that about basically any human accomplishment outside of art.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 17, 2021, 08:10
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 17, 2021, 08:10
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Jivaro wrote on Jun 17, 2021, 01:32:
Mr. Tact wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 20:18:
The first name to jump to mind for me was Einstein.

See, I would still disagree. If it wasn't him it would have been someone else eventually. Call me cynical, but I don't think any one person is all that special. I think one person can do something that makes other people treat them special and that gives them more opportunities to be special. It starts a chain reaction of opportunity, so to speak. My deep thought for the decade. lol
While I might agree that "special relativity" would have eventually been discovered anyway if Einstein hadn't been born, to think he wasn't special seems especially critical. Sounds like you don't want to give credit to anyone for doing anything. Everyone was simply in the right place at the right time. I'd certainly agree that helps, however the examples of people trying to accomplish something over and over and failing, until one person came along with a new idea are too numerous to count.

It seems clear to me some people are just more driven to do things than others are. I know this pretty well because I am a complete lazy bum. My personal motivation level is low enough that I am completely surprised I've gotten to where I am. I am shocked I have accomplished as much as I have. I know I came no where close to the potential I had.

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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 17, 2021, 01:32
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 17, 2021, 01:32
Jun 17, 2021, 01:32
 Jivaro
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 20:18:
The first name to jump to mind for me was Einstein.

See, I would still disagree. If it wasn't him it would have been someone else eventually. Call me cynical, but I don't think any one person is all that special. I think one person can do something that makes other people treat them special and that gives them more opportunities to be special. It starts a chain reaction of opportunity, so to speak. My deep thought for the decade. lol
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Jun 16, 2021, 20:43
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 16, 2021, 20:43
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RedEye9 wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 20:36:
There's "earned" income consisting of wages, salaries, tips, and other taxable employee compensation. Earned income also includes net earnings from self-employment.

Unearned income includes investment-type income such as taxable interest, ordinary dividends, and capital gain distributions. It also includes unemployment compensation, taxable social security benefits, pensions, annuities, cancellation of debt, and distributions of unearned income from a trust.
All of this information is absolutely correct. And if it has anything to do with what people were saying about the mentioned individuals "deserving" that income, I would be very surprised.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 16, 2021, 20:36
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 16, 2021, 20:36
Jun 16, 2021, 20:36
 
There's "earned" income consisting of wages, salaries, tips, and other taxable employee compensation. Earned income also includes net earnings from self-employment.

Unearned income includes investment-type income such as taxable interest, ordinary dividends, and capital gain distributions. It also includes unemployment compensation, taxable social security benefits, pensions, annuities, cancellation of debt, and distributions of unearned income from a trust.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 16, 2021, 20:18
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Jivaro wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 18:25:
I don't think anybody in the history of the world has ever done anything to earn them that.
The first name to jump to mind for me was Einstein.

As with many things, I have mixed feelings on it. On the one hand I understand and somewhat agree with the concept that no modern business man "deserves" to make billions of dollars. Although this is tempered by trying to define what "deserve" means in this context. On the other hand, Bezos and many others like him are simply playing by the rules society has created. You can hardly fault him for doing that. And in fact, many others have profited on those efforts by doing nothing other than buying stock in the company. So, if I had become a millionaire by investing in Amazon, who deserves the money more, Bezos or me?
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 16, 2021, 18:59
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 16, 2021, 18:59
Jun 16, 2021, 18:59
 Jivaro
 
"special" indeed.
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Jun 16, 2021, 18:48
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 16, 2021, 18:48
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Jivaro wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 18:25:
I think Simon means you can't possibly do anything that "earns" you billions. You may get billions, the world may have a system in place that gives you that billions....but "earn" it? That can be heavily debated. I don't think anybody in the history of the world has ever done anything to earn them that. I admit it is a debatable concept though.

What he means is that you earn it on the back of workers, community, and society. I agree with him.
But that's an entirely separate point from the whine WaltSee was whining about. He legitimately thinks Bezos did it alone, and that his wife stole half his wealth. That's a much more special view.
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Jun 16, 2021, 18:25
Jivaro
 
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 16, 2021, 18:25
Jun 16, 2021, 18:25
 Jivaro
 
I think Simon means you can't possibly do anything that "earns" you billions. You may get billions, the world may have a system in place that gives you that billions....but "earn" it? That can be heavily debated. I don't think anybody in the history of the world has ever done anything to earn them that. I admit it is a debatable concept though.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 16, 2021, 17:35
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Simon Says wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 15:09:
Beamer wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 09:30:
She earned literally all of it.

No one "earns" billions, NO ONE.

I mean as a percent of his wealth, not as an absolute figure.
WaltSee would have no issue with Jeff Bezos owning 99.9% of all money on the planet, but he's angry at his partner also getting paid.
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Jun 16, 2021, 17:02
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Jun 16, 2021, 17:02
 
These Windows 11 “leaked” screenshots show nothing new other than a centered taskbar. Hopefully the reveal will be more impressive than this minuscule change.
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Jun 16, 2021, 15:12
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Simon Says wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 15:09:
Beamer wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 09:30:
She earned literally all of it.

No one "earns" billions, NO ONE.
Oh great gatekeeper of earnable wealth. What is the max one can earn. Asking for a friend.
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Re: Evening Tech Bits
Jun 16, 2021, 15:09
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Jun 16, 2021, 15:09
 
Beamer wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 09:30:
She earned literally all of it.

No one "earns" billions, NO ONE.
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Jun 16, 2021, 10:01
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Re: Evening Tech Bits Jun 16, 2021, 10:01
Jun 16, 2021, 10:01
 
It's clear that tRumpolunacy doesn't allow for logical thinking.
Actual Real Presidents have refused their salaries including John F. Kennedy, Herbert Hoover and George Washington.
But they didn't use Air Force One to ferry them from Rancid Rallies, Golf..more Golf and Mar-a-Lardo.
Costs that easily exceeded $100,000,000.

Cheering about the $1.6 million salary just means you're bad at math.
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Jun 16, 2021, 09:30
 
WaltSee wrote on Jun 16, 2021, 09:20:
RedEye9 wrote on Jun 15, 2021, 20:25:
It's going to take her a couple decades to give away all that money.
As it stands she's already given away 10 times more than 45 ever had.

Very odd remark. She didn't earn any of it--well, at least in the traditional sense of having to work for it (not withstanding what being married to Bezos-I-want-to-be-an-astronaut-when-I-grow-up had to have been like.) Very much unlike 45. I don't see where "45" fits here, actually...;) But I see that TDS is still very much alive these days, apparently. Well, at least we can all take comfort from the fact that 46 will never be returning his paychecks to the government, oh gosh no, perish the thought. What a truly criminal thing for 45 to have done!


She earned literally all of it.
In case you forget, she had a very lucrative salary. When Bezos quit his job to start Amazon in a garage, who do you think quit with him? Who do you think put up half the money? Who do you think was paying rent on that garage?

When Bezos went for financing, who do you think wrote the business plan?

When Bezos actually founded the company, who do you think was employee #2, the head of finance, and owned 50% of the company?


You're blind, as always.
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