PSA: you can progress by playing against bots. They did this with SWBF2 co-op. Same xp rate, valid in MP.

Task wrote on Jun 10, 2021, 14:17:
Looks interesting. I wonder if this is meant to be a prequel to BF2142 (and an eventual remake of that game). In any case, I don't think I'll be getting this at release as a pre-order - I've felt like a DICE betatester ever since BF3. Every single release is bugville.

The main downside (which may not be a downside to everyone else) obviously being how all these games are progession based with unlocks, so I will likely feel overwhelmed. The vehicle upgrade path, for example, in BFV felt incredibly gated and annoying - most of which had upgrades (like on tanks) that were clearly better than everything else. I never go to use the Stuka with anti-tank cannons because I could never level that particular one up.

MP games are now in this Era of waving bananas on a stick to take advantage of our monkey brains.

I hate gun unlocks and grinding for levels (for things that aren't just cosmetic).
Overwatch and Valorant don't have that and are all the better for it.
Competitive MP games should never have progression based items... configurable loadouts are fine if everyone has everything available all the time.

Looks interesting. I wonder if this is meant to be a prequel to BF2142 (and an eventual remake of that game). In any case, I don't think I'll be getting this at release as a pre-order - I've felt like a DICE betatester ever since BF3. Every single release is bugville.

The main downside (which may not be a downside to everyone else) obviously being how all these games are progession based with unlocks, so I will likely feel overwhelmed. The vehicle upgrade path, for example, in BFV felt incredibly gated and annoying - most of which had upgrades (like on tanks) that were clearly better than everything else. I never go to use the Stuka with anti-tank cannons because I could never level that particular one up.

MP games are now in this Era of waving bananas on a stick to take advantage of our monkey brains.

Slick wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 23:04:
BF4 still feels better than BFV for me. I like the pacific ww2 maps, but the combat is not as satisfying.

BF V was a fucking train wreck, damn right BF4 is better. BF V featured some of the worst maps in the entire franchise, a mindboggling obsession with game modes and Dice couldn't make its mind up over how the gunplay model was supposed to be handled. I still don't know how they managed to make a boring WWII game but god damn, they did. I am a huge franchise fan but BF V was a travesty, I fought and got a refund for it on Origin. It's fucking bad.

So it's a proper BatteField game then?
Shame they copped out, doing a "modern warfare" game instead of making a worthy "future warfare" BF2142 sequel.

The inclusion of bots for us single players is a big plus. It's pleasantly surprising too given the extra effort involved to get them to act properly. Here's hoping they manage it.

Midnight wrote on Jun 10, 2021, 02:58:

SlimRam wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 20:29:
Second paragraph down Eurogamer article:

There will also be the option of playing against AI bots, either solo or with a squad of friends.

This is better explained in this article I found.

Bots in full multiplayer modes with solo-play option! HOLY HELLS YES!!! I have been begging them to bring this back since BF3. Multiplayer is fun, but some days I just want to comp stomp and not deal with actual humans.

If the gameplay looks good, I'll be diving head-first into this battlefield.

I'm not so sure this means what you and I wish it means. This sentence is from the article:
"You can basically play all alone as a human player in a match otherwise filled with AI on both sides. Or, if needed, it can be a mix of humans and AI."
But, that statement was said in the context of AI bots filling in open spots in a multiplayer match. I'm not sure it means we can have an essentially private match, filled in with bots. It could just mean that if you happen to be the only one on a server, you can still play. I'm hoping for more clarification in the future.

SlimRam wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 20:29:

BigShot wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 20:20:
Umm, what bots? There has been no announcement that bots will be in the game.

I've actually been one of the minority waiting for well over a decade now for bots to make a return to BF MP maps and the confirmation that there will be no SP campaign (thank god, because a linear hand holding trout pond is not my idea of something worth paying for) is actually a step in the right direction in getting those bots back (ala BF2142).

Second paragraph down Eurogamer article:

There will also be the option of playing against AI bots, either solo or with a squad of friends.

This is better explained in this article I found.

Bots in full multiplayer modes with solo-play option! HOLY HELLS YES!!! I have been begging them to bring this back since BF3. Multiplayer is fun, but some days I just want to comp stomp and not deal with actual humans.

If the gameplay looks good, I'll be diving head-first into this battlefield.

Slick wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 23:04:
BF4 still feels better than BFV for me. I like the pacific ww2 maps, but the combat is not as satisfying.

I had probably one of the best, "Only in Battlefield" moments in BF4. It was like something straight out of Saving Private Ryan because we were getting flanked from like 3 sides and we were running like hell trying to retreat and we were just being obliterated *L* I remember running through a house with what was left of the guys I had been fighting with and I stopped running in the middle of the house to look behind me and then the whole front of the house gets taken out and I'm like, "GOOOOOOD DAAAAAAMN!" Freaking game will give you PTSD, shit!

This comment was edited on Jun 10, 2021, 01:15.

BF4 still feels better than BFV for me. I like the pacific ww2 maps, but the combat is not as satisfying.

jdreyer wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 21:46:

bigspender wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 21:44:
Hurrah for AI bots and coop

Yeah, this might be a BF I pay more than $5 for. I haven't done that since BF2.

I'd rather have bots than a SP campaign. If this is where the money went, then good.

Well, bots on the multiplayer maps are good practice I guess, and I can't really fault them for not spending 150 million on a single player campaign that'll get played by maybe 30% of the customers, and then only once.

I was never impressed with the bots in previous BF games. SWBF bots were a step up, but still pretty stupid. Not stupid in the same was as pub players either.

I just reinstalled BFV and played a couple of rounds.. I am rusty as fuck, and there are some new Pacific maps, and holy shit, I cannot see people in the shrubbery, at all. Rofl. BF2042 is going to be rough. I started getting my reflexes back a bit tonight though after about 2 hours.

jdreyer wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 21:46:

bigspender wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 21:44:
Hurrah for AI bots and coop

Yeah, this might be a BF I pay more than $5 for. I haven't done that since BF2.

I'd rather have bots than a SP campaign. If this is where the money went, then good.

HA! Figured this was right down your's and Darks alley. Oh yeah, I'm down with some bots (LOVED me some Reaper bots back in the Quake days).

bigspender wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 21:44:
Hurrah for AI bots and coop

Yeah, this might be a BF I pay more than $5 for. I haven't done that since BF2.

I'd rather have bots than a SP campaign. If this is where the money went, then good.

Hurrah for AI bots and coop

While I bite the hand that feeds me from my EA overlord masters here, I'll say that it's fucking annoying having to scrounge all this information from different sources. They want to disseminate crucial info through popular youtubers and e-rags instead of a clear, concise video explaining everything in detail, from the horses' mouth. They did this with BFV and I thought it was awful then too. Yeah, they had a big reveal trailer, and this mock show with Trevor Noah talking to devs, but they didn't answer any questions anyone cared about. For that, they gave the answers to JackFrags, LevelCap, Matimio etc. So that you had to dig deeper to find the real story, and it would be coming from a hip youtuber who you can trust, not gross corporate EA.

Avus wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 20:17:
MP only, no BR (not really care for this), no Single play campaign, $60US (meaning $90 Cdn) AAA full price, more $$ for battle pass, more $$ for MTX.... no thanks, not my jam

I hate having to moonlight as the resident EA shill here, but there's nothing that affects gameplay for sale as microtransactions or in a Battlepass. This will be the third game DICE has released where all the new maps, game modes, weapons, vehicles, characters, and abilities are free for everyone who buys the base game. MTX and Battlepasses are just for cosmetics. You aren't going to miss anything other than skins for a first-person game (stupidest thing ever) by not getting a battlepass.

Just cause the live service model failed in BFV cause "everyone" hated that game, doesn't mean it's a bad idea. We got 3 years of free shit for SWBF2, and nobody had to pay another dime. As opposed to a $60 game plus $50 for all the expansion packs for all Battlefield games in the last 10 years prior.

BigShot wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 20:20:
Umm, what bots? There has been no announcement that bots will be in the game.

I've actually been one of the minority waiting for well over a decade now for bots to make a return to BF MP maps and the confirmation that there will be no SP campaign (thank god, because a linear hand holding trout pond is not my idea of something worth paying for) is actually a step in the right direction in getting those bots back (ala BF2142).

Second paragraph down Eurogamer article:

There will also be the option of playing against AI bots, either solo or with a squad of friends.

This is better explained in this article I found.

SlimRam wrote on Jun 9, 2021, 20:14:
Hell, I think I would probably get this when the price comes down a bit just to play with the bots

Umm, what bots? There has been no announcement that bots will be in the game.

I've actually been one of the minority waiting for well over a decade now for bots to make a return to BF MP maps and the confirmation that there will be no SP campaign (thank god, because a linear hand holding trout pond is not my idea of something worth paying for) is actually a step in the right direction in getting those bots back (ala BF2142).

MP only, no BR (not really care for this), no Single play campaign, $60US (meaning $90 Cdn) AAA full price, more $$ for battle pass, more $$ for MTX.... no thanks, not my jam

You can play the whole damn game with bots now HOLY SHIT, that is HUGE. It sucks a bit for me that there's no single-player (because I have to play with one hand and can't compete against humans) but I know that's not why people buy the game. Hell, I think I would probably get this when the price comes down a bit just to play with the bots