Epic v. Apple Exhibits - Part XXX [May 27, 2021, 08:46 am ET] – Share – Viewing Comments
RedEye9 wrote on May 28, 2021, 01:19:Yes, I did. I'll stand by what I said.
I know you understood this was referring to the fact that Apple makes $1,000 phones that are nothing more than computers.đ
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RedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2021, 11:23:Leahi84 wrote on May 27, 2021, 10:42:As much as I hate Epic,I want Apple to lose.Leahi84 wrote on May 5, 2021, 09:11:So much has changed in 22 days
I want Apple to win,just to spite Epic and Tim Sweeney.đ€Ż
Okay, now THAT is pretty Epic
Mr. Tact wrote on May 27, 2021, 22:26:I know you understood this was referring to the fact that Apple makes $1,000 phones that are nothing more than computers.đRedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2021, 21:07:Apple would never sell a laptop for only $1,000.
"Could you imagine spending $1,000 on a laptop, but not being allowed to use whatever software, games or e-books you want?"
bonus points to jdreyer
That said, one of the many reasons they have never gotten a penny from me.
For reference
jdreyer wrote on May 27, 2021, 20:46:
iTrapped: All the things Apple wonât let you do with your iPhoneHave you ever tried to swap Siri for a better voice assistant on your iPhone? Donât bother, you canât.
Tried to buy e-books from the Kindle app? Canât do that, either.
Send iMessages to someone with an Android phone? Nope. Backup your iPhone to Google Drive? Nope. Get your own iPhone repair parts from Apple? Nope. Transfer your digital life to a different kind of smartphone? Good luck, my friend. When you buy an iPhone, it isnât really yours.
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RedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2021, 21:07:
"Could you imagine spending $1,000 on a laptop, but not being allowed to use whatever software, games or e-books you want?"
bonus points to jdreyer
As noted in Mr. Tact's comment, Apple will never sell a laptop for $1,000 (at least not to typical consumers). Also, you can install whatever you want on a Mac as long as the software is available. The "app store" on the Mac is not like the one on the phone. I asked a friend who is a senior-level two tech support specialist at Apple why security is tighter on phones. He said because more hackers are trying to break into iPhones than Macs. He said Apple takes iPhone security very seriously for that reason.
"I used to fence at Bel-Air Academy." "Oh, really? How much do you think we could get for that stereo?"
RedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2021, 21:07:Apple would never sell a laptop for only $1,000.
"Could you imagine spending $1,000 on a laptop, but not being allowed to use whatever software, games or e-books you want?"
That said, one of the many reasons they have never gotten a penny from me.
âExtinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.â -- Carl Sagan
"Could you imagine spending $1,000 on a laptop, but not being allowed to use whatever software, games or e-books you want?"
bonus points to jdreyer
bonus points to jdreyer
- At this point, Windows is the OS equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome. -
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Bodolza wrote on May 27, 2021, 14:20:
For those that want Apple to win, keep in mind what that means. Apple is arguing that it's okay to prevent access to other stores for "security". And if people don't like it they can use another platform. If this argument wins, then the same thing can be applied to desktops for "security" reasons. Since linux is available as an "open" option, it means Apple and Microsoft now have the legal backing to start blocking Steam and any other 3rd party stores on Mac and Windows.
I don't care about the app store. But I do care about PC gaming. Between the two, I side with PC gaming. We all know how anti-consumer Epic has been towards the PC gaming market with their third-party exclusives. So I want them to lose and in every jurisdiction. Burn through their Fortnite money in legal fees until they cannot afford exclusives.
"I used to fence at Bel-Air Academy." "Oh, really? How much do you think we could get for that stereo?"
jdreyer wrote on May 27, 2021, 20:46:One sign weâre being manipulated by a monopoly is when itâs hard to even consider an alternative. Apple says itâs protecting our security and privacy, but it has become clear that locking down our iPhones is also about controlling us so Apple can make more money.
iTrapped: All the things Apple wonât let you do with your iPhoneHave you ever tried to swap Siri for a better voice assistant on your iPhone? Donât bother, you canât.
Tried to buy e-books from the Kindle app? Canât do that, either.
Send iMessages to someone with an Android phone? Nope. Backup your iPhone to Google Drive? Nope. Get your own iPhone repair parts from Apple? Nope. Transfer your digital life to a different kind of smartphone? Good luck, my friend. When you buy an iPhone, it isnât really yours.
Well I'll be damned.
- At this point, Windows is the OS equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome. -
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Mr. Tact wrote on May 27, 2021, 13:54:
There are times when I would rather have some KahlĂșa instead of a clue.
I think I need to remember that. That's an excellent bumper sticker. đ
"I used to fence at Bel-Air Academy." "Oh, really? How much do you think we could get for that stereo?"
Well, that article is just straight-up biased. The first paragraph tells you what you need to know, with the rest a vain attempt to back it all up.
"I used to fence at Bel-Air Academy." "Oh, really? How much do you think we could get for that stereo?"
iTrapped: All the things Apple wonât let you do with your iPhone
Have you ever tried to swap Siri for a better voice assistant on your iPhone? Donât bother, you canât.
Tried to buy e-books from the Kindle app? Canât do that, either.
Send iMessages to someone with an Android phone? Nope. Backup your iPhone to Google Drive? Nope. Get your own iPhone repair parts from Apple? Nope. Transfer your digital life to a different kind of smartphone? Good luck, my friend. When you buy an iPhone, it isnât really yours.
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Steele Johnson wrote on May 27, 2021, 18:19:So you admit that the idea for you to use the iPhone was planted deep in your subconscious, several layers deep in fact.
I've used iPhone since its inception
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RedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2021, 18:46:Steele Johnson wrote on May 27, 2021, 18:19:Oh man, that recommendation may have just brightened one of my customers day. Thanks.
Anyhow, I actually use iMazing for Windows to manage my iPhone backups. It's nice to have the best of both worlds đOh yeah, forgot to mention that I don't really care who winsIt won't affect the average joe one way or the other.
Yeah, iMazing is easy to use/understand and not convoluted like iTunes. Even the newer integrated device management rather sucks in macOS, that's why I switched to using iMazing. I believe they have it for macOS as well
PropheT wrote on May 27, 2021, 16:33:I agree.RedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2021, 12:15:
I don't see the majority of customers leaving the app store to go to another place to buy their coins, skins, loot boxes etc.
Most consumers don't care about the stores cut, they are out for convenience and price.
They should have the option if they want to, though.
I don't personally see any reason at all why I shouldn't be able to use any internet capable device to go somewhere else and make a purchase independent of the device's native ecosystem. It makes no sense to me why Apple or anyone else should get 30%, or whatever their cut is, of any sales made through an app that they do no development or maintenance on themselves because that app can be only obtained via their store by their own requirement.
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Steele Johnson wrote on May 27, 2021, 18:19:Oh man, that recommendation may have just brightened one of my customers day. Thanks.
Anyhow, I actually use iMazing for Windows to manage my iPhone backups. It's nice to have the best of both worlds đ
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I don't really care who winsIt won't affect the average joe one way or the other.
- At this point, Windows is the OS equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome. -
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I'm admittingly an Apple fanboy. I've made a pretty penny through them (I was a macOS/iOS dev for a long time). I've used iPhone since its inception, and have been using macbook pro as my main dev machine for 10+ years. There's nothing out there that can sway me.
I wasn't a big fan of iTunes either. I only used it to backup/sync, but even doing that was a pretty sucky experience (didn't they fire the iTunes team?). Anyhow, I actually use iMazing for Windows to manage my iPhone backups. It's nice to have the best of both worlds đ
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I don't really care who wins
I wasn't a big fan of iTunes either. I only used it to backup/sync, but even doing that was a pretty sucky experience (didn't they fire the iTunes team?). Anyhow, I actually use iMazing for Windows to manage my iPhone backups. It's nice to have the best of both worlds đ
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I don't really care who wins
jdreyer wrote on May 27, 2021, 16:43:"Knowledge bomb": 1,000 billions is a trillion. (bonus points for knowing where my quote is from)Mr. Tact wrote on May 21, 2021, 10:25:Apple is a trillion dollar company. đ€š
There is no good guy in this legal action. This is two multi-billion dollar corporations fighting over making more billions. Even if either side was completely in the right and wearing a white hat and won this suit utterly, to believe the result will significantly benefit the average consumer is simply ridiculous dreamland thinking...
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Mr. Tact wrote on May 21, 2021, 10:25:
There is no good guy in this legal action. This is two multi-billion dollar corporations fighting over making more billions. Even if either side was completely in the right and wearing a white hat and won this suit utterly, to believe the result will significantly benefit the average consumer is simply ridiculous dreamland thinking...
Apple is a trillion dollar company. đ€š
If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends. Slava Ukraini!
chickenboo wrote on May 27, 2021, 12:08:Apple is a monopoly. They could up their percentage to 50% and no one could do anything about it. "They could go to Android!" No, they couldn't. Apple is 60% of the US phone market. They'd keep making apps, and Apple would suck even more profits.
Anyway, Fuck Epic - I hope they lose this case. Their argument boils down to "Apple is very successful and 30% is mean and greedy and we don't like that please lower it to 12% like we did because reasons". The judge even stated she doesn't understand how Epic wants to resolve the problem.
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RedEye9 wrote on May 27, 2021, 12:15:
I don't see the majority of customers leaving the app store to go to another place to buy their coins, skins, loot boxes etc.
Most consumers don't care about the stores cut, they are out for convenience and price.
They should have the option if they want to, though.
I don't personally see any reason at all why I shouldn't be able to use any internet capable device to go somewhere else and make a purchase independent of the device's native ecosystem. It makes no sense to me why Apple or anyone else should get 30%, or whatever their cut is, of any sales made through an app that they do no development or maintenance on themselves because that app can be only obtained via their store by their own requirement.
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