chickenboo wrote on May 19, 2021, 12:04:
I feel this kind of camming goes against the spirit of the Twitch community and that's why I'm mostly against it. But I think part of my distaste for it comes from my prudish side. I'm guessing that Amouranth started out streaming games like everyone else, then moved to Just Chatting and exercise, then to just sitting around scantily clad. There's several clips of her exposing herself floating around on the net, which has earned her temporary bans, but she's always back because she's a cash cow for the platform. Twitch keeps what, 50% of her earnings subscription earnings?
So yeah. It's against the spirit of what Twitch is supposed to be, but if I don't like it I don't have to watch it.

Amouranth never really started as a video game streamer, she's literally been there from day one pushing the 'meta' of "how far can I show something before getting caught". Now, that's not to say she didn't play video games, but you'll notice how her style of streaming went...

She'd play X game, but the game was inexplicably in a window smaller than what she showed herself in, while wearing something that was (at the time) pretty low-cut and 'ok'. Fast-forward a couple months and you'd see her wear something progressively more provacative, either in how much it covered or how it was cut. Then she'd progress into "sub goals" causing the whole "oh I have to bend over to write your name on this whiteboard" thing, which is still around today. After that, it became a cat and mouse game where she would do something just slightly more crossing the line, if Twitch took action then she'd dial it back one step...all the while, hundreds of other female streamers were doing similar things creating the sub-genre that birthed the 'hot tub meta'. Look up STPeach for an example of someone that didn't follow this and just jumped right into overt content.

Personally, as someone who has been on Twitch since the JTV days, I've seen it all in some fashion. The problem Twitch has is, like I said, inadequate and uneven enforcement of their own rules. People like Amouranth, STPeach, and others that can gather thousands of viewers don't really care about the concept behind Twitch, so they'll do whatever they can get away with just to push people to their real bread-and-butter things like Onlyfans. There are quite a few instances where if you weren't pulling in "the big bux", then you aren't allowed the same acceptance of content. If you're male doing literally anything similar to this, you're given the boot pretty quickly. Hell, there was a streamer about a year ago who attempted to lampoon this whole thing by literally doing exactly the same things Amouranth did but in male attire...he lasted all of 2 hours before he was banned because he broke a sexual content rule.

There are arguments about how people are being prudish because Twitch allows hyper-violent games, but at the same time, Twitch is being their own prude in that they won't allow hyper-sexual games to be streamed (dare anyone to stream Hunnie Pop) or games that have sexual content that is considered a main attraction to the game. The point is this, it's not prudist(ism), it's the desire to have things looked at equally amongst the entirety of the community. If you're going to allow sexualized content from REAL people, then allow (legal) sexualized content involving digital people...if you're going to ban it from digital, ban it from actual people as well.

But whatever, Twitch will do whatever they can to make numbers look good for Amazon, else Amazon comes in and changes it.

(Edit: I'm going to point out that I don't blame people like Amouranth, she's a shrewd businesswoman who knows exactly how to maximize her profits with the least amount of effort, and I applaud that, I just think that content like that should be on platforms specifically for that.)

I feel this kind of camming goes against the spirit of the Twitch community and that's why I'm mostly against it. But I think part of my distaste for it comes from my prudish side. I'm guessing that Amouranth started out streaming games like everyone else, then moved to Just Chatting and exercise, then to just sitting around scantily clad. There's several clips of her exposing herself floating around on the net, which has earned her temporary bans, but she's always back because she's a cash cow for the platform. Twitch keeps what, 50% of her earnings subscription earnings?
So yeah. It's against the spirit of what Twitch is supposed to be, but if I don't like it I don't have to watch it.

It's crazy that Twitch ever allowed this garbage in the first place.

As someone that works with twitch advertising, brands are obsessed with twitch but few know about the hot tub stuff and, when they learn, they get very concerned and creeped out.

Well, once "camgirls" use this for their special "videoconferences", I guess this thing will become VERY prominent.

I normally use Twitch to spectate gaming events like in Eve Online or WoW but I watched a body painter for 10-15 minutes one time. She was doing Venom on her body and it was amazing. Super talented. After that amount of time, perhaps sooner if you are more focused than I was, you realize that the chat is just a bunch of really cringey folks with sexual issues staring at a talented but mostly nude artist with big tits. It's in that moment, that very second, where you have to decide whether you are a member of the cringey folks or if you are going to turn it off. I turned it off right then....and switched it to a very cool Mystique video she did....

Anyhoo, Twitch needs to be more communicative but it's their place...their rules. I think it's pointless to police this stuff but whatever.

These types of streams are for desperate, pathetic guys that want some semblance of belonging and attention from an attractive female.

So? People have the right to exploit themselves. Impossible to survive if you don't, actually.

Yet if she were employed by a man we'd never hear the end of how exploitative and sexist this sort of shit is.

It's exploitation of a loophole in their most recent dress code policy, which makes exception for certain situations. Apparently you're allowed to stream while wearing skimpy clothing if you're swimming or on a beach (where such attire would otherwise be considered acceptable), and so someone got the idea to sit their ass in a kiddie pool* rather than on their gamer throne at home... If you ask me, it's pretty obviously not adherent to the letter nor the spirit of that rule, so it absolutely deserves to be banned.

*From the camera angle depicted in the article, it's not even clear that she actually is in the water, the pool is basically just a part of the set dressing.

MeanJim wrote on May 18, 2021, 20:39:
I personally don't care if someone wants to pimp themself out like that for money, hell if I could wear a skimpy bathing suit and sit in a hot tub for a few hours a day and make that kind of money I probably would, but I did wonder why this was allowed on Twitch. It seems more like something that should be on PornHub.

To expand on your first part, most people wouldn't have that big of an issue if it weren't the sole purpose of the stream to sit there and funnel money from the notoriously easy 'marks'. That and Twitch's inability to rationally and equally enforce the rules. Imagine, honestly, if a guy were to do literally anything similar to this on a stream, they'd be almost immediately banned. Hell, you really don't have to imagine much, Twitch has already banned people who have done the exact format of "Hot tub streams" but since they don't draw in tens of thousands of viewers (see: huge names on Twitch), they don't get the same equal treatment.

I pretty much only watch official channels, like game devs and GOG. Since I have Amazon prime, I log in every now and then to make sure I get the "freebies." I logged on Sunday and Twitch recommended that streamer to me. I never knew this was a thing on Twitch until then. Morbid curiosity got the better of me, and I opened it in a private window. I somehow don't think taking away ad revenue is going to hurt her much. In the 10 minutes or so that I watched, it was pretty pathetic how people were donating to get her to do stuff. I bet she's raking in hundreds per hour just in donations, and no telling how much per month in subs.

I personally don't care if someone wants to pimp themself out like that for money, hell if I could wear a skimpy bathing suit and sit in a hot tub for a few hours a day and make that kind of money I probably would, but I did wonder why this was allowed on Twitch. It seems more like something that should be on PornHub.