Steam Rejects Holodexxx

A post on the Holodexxx Website discusses the process of trying to get games with adult content approved on Steam (thanks PC Gamer). Holodexxx, the developer, explains how Holodexxx, the VR app, was submitted and rejected three times, a process it calls "the Steam dance." Like the recent story of the rejection of Super Seducer 3, the developer suggests it has had difficulty pinning Valve down on exactly what is and isn't allowed on Steam:
It seems like the common denominator for all of our submissions was the inclusion of adult entertainers -- both clothed, and unclothed.

The questions surrounding this issue are numerous, and worth exploring. If a 3D artist recreated a virtual adult performer from scratch, utilizing traditional 3d modeling and texturing not obtained through photogrammetry, is that acceptable? If we stylized our adult star characters, but kept their identities intact, would that trigger the same repulsion from Steam?

Most interestingly, can Riley Reid appear in a realistic, and sexual game like Cyberpunk 2040 if they show her breasts? Can she be in any game, at all?

Are my hopes for a Mia Malkova pinball game dashed?

The truth is, Steam will not answer these questions, or any other questions regarding their stance on pornography, or photogrammetry. By not releasing guidelines around adult content, Steam makes submissions needlessly risky.
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Re: Steam Rejects Holodexxx
May 10, 2021, 15:19
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NKD wrote on May 10, 2021, 09:28:
Valve just wants to retain the ability to arbitrarily redraw the line wherever they want. If they actually put anything in writing that is specific, they lose that ability.
I don't know if it makes sense for them to implement a clear rule when US obscenity laws are vaguely defined in terms of community standards and prurient interest. The famous Supreme Court quote on the subject of obscenity was, "I know it when I see it." What kind of clear rule do you envision?
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May 10, 2021, 15:02
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eRe4s3r wrote on May 10, 2021, 13:40:
Orogogus wrote on May 10, 2021, 12:03:
What kind of proof of age system is going to work across all the countries they sell in?

The one each country has legally required for everyone else to already use in the market space. And for bigger services, stuff like Google login could have your national unique age proof already stored and work for all platforms that check it no matter where they are.

This isn't a problem without a solution. It's a solution Steam refuses to implement, for nearly a DECADE now even though it legally required to do it in the EU at least.
There is no legally required US federal age verification system -- we don't have a national ID system. And for most matters, the states set their own rules on what minors can and can't buy or view online, and what the age limits are. Some states have licensed commercial age verification services for online purchases such as guns and alcohol, but many states -- most, I believe -- place the burden on the shipper to verify the recipient's age and ID. That won't work for online content.

Valve could limit adult content to people who submit government-issued IDs, but a) reviewing and processing that information isn't trivial, and b) I think a lot of Americans would be up in arms.

As far as I can tell, your solution is to just meet the EU requirements and ignore the rest of the world, including the US.
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May 10, 2021, 13:40
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May 10, 2021, 13:40
 
Orogogus wrote on May 10, 2021, 12:03:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on May 10, 2021, 10:35:
NKD wrote on May 10, 2021, 09:28:
Valve just wants to retain the ability to arbitrarily redraw the line wherever they want. If they actually put anything in writing that is specific, they lose that ability.
Yup. Frankly it's pathetic, given that Steam is happy to peddle extreme violence and sexual content in other games. They should just have a section of the store that is for over 18s only and requires proof of age to enter. When you look at how much nudity there is in Cyberpunk 2077, which Valve is happy to sell, it does seem rather strange for Valve to take this position.
What kind of proof of age system is going to work across all the countries they sell in?


The one each country has legally required for everyone else to already use in the market space. And for bigger services, stuff like Google login could have your national unique age proof already stored and work for all platforms that check it no matter where they are.

This isn't a problem without a solution. It's a solution Steam refuses to implement, for nearly a DECADE now even though it legally required to do it in the EU at least.
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Re: Steam Rejects Holodexxx
May 10, 2021, 12:32
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bigspender wrote on May 10, 2021, 08:03:
Porn is already everywhere, I'd like to have my main source of games without it.

And you're perfectly capable of adjusting the settings to ensure it never displays any of it to you. You don't, however, get to dictate what anyone else should want to see.
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May 10, 2021, 12:14
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May 10, 2021, 12:14
 
its not the same as one is animated geez
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May 10, 2021, 12:03
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May 10, 2021, 12:03
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on May 10, 2021, 10:35:
NKD wrote on May 10, 2021, 09:28:
Valve just wants to retain the ability to arbitrarily redraw the line wherever they want. If they actually put anything in writing that is specific, they lose that ability.
Yup. Frankly it's pathetic, given that Steam is happy to peddle extreme violence and sexual content in other games. They should just have a section of the store that is for over 18s only and requires proof of age to enter. When you look at how much nudity there is in Cyberpunk 2077, which Valve is happy to sell, it does seem rather strange for Valve to take this position.
What kind of proof of age system is going to work across all the countries they sell in?
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May 10, 2021, 10:52
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May 10, 2021, 10:52
 
Valves stance on porn games is very fickle. They don't seem to have a set of rules...just people who are gate keepers who have a series of loose guidelines to maybe follow.

For example...anything that depicts a school girl is likely to end up banned...regardless of what age that person is supposed to be...but oddly if the person is a school girl and it is never specifically mentioned...then that game MAY get a pass.

They really need to define the criteria in hard writing so that people can know what is and isn't acceptable to sell on their store.
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May 10, 2021, 10:35
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NKD wrote on May 10, 2021, 09:28:
Valve just wants to retain the ability to arbitrarily redraw the line wherever they want. If they actually put anything in writing that is specific, they lose that ability.
Yup. Frankly it's pathetic, given that Steam is happy to peddle extreme violence and sexual content in other games. They should just have a section of the store that is for over 18s only and requires proof of age to enter. When you look at how much nudity there is in Cyberpunk 2077, which Valve is happy to sell, it does seem rather strange for Valve to take this position.
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Re: Steam Rejects Holodexxx
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Valve just wants to retain the ability to arbitrarily redraw the line wherever they want. If they actually put anything in writing that is specific, they lose that ability.
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Re: Steam Rejects Holodexxx
May 10, 2021, 08:03
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Porn is already everywhere, I'd like to have my main source of games without it.
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May 10, 2021, 07:17
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May 10, 2021, 07:17
 
Steam is the service that would rather block Germany than implement the LEGALLY ESTABLISHED BASELINE of age control via post-ident which to it would be entirely free (just a bit hassle for the end-user). Why you expecting logic and sensible decisions from that?
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May 10, 2021, 06:39
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May 10, 2021, 06:39
 
Wake up dumbsh*t developers. Games are art, and if you don't understand that the line between what one entities (in this case private enterprise Valve) view of obscenity in art and an-other's does not something that involves objective measurement.

By going for the fast buck low production values, high porn content route, the devs know full well they are rolling the dice here in a crap game here, and complaining about a losing streak in a crap game is for losers.
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May 10, 2021, 02:03
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May 10, 2021, 02:03
 
Obviously the rules should be as easy to follow and concise as possible; might I suggest the tried and true '5th Grade Questionnaire Format', example:

Please circle one

1) Can I show fisting? Yes / No

2) Can I show things going in and out of the ass? Yes / No

3) Are midgets, animals, drugs, firearms and hookers allowed/together in the same scene/orifice? Yes / No
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Re: Steam Rejects Holodexxx
May 9, 2021, 16:16
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May 9, 2021, 16:16
 
Well to be fair.. the game has very little content. You would be much better off spending money on Virt-a-mate patreon and getting access to hundreds of models, scenes, scenarios, and being able to make your own. The butt spank "coming soon" was pretty funny, you could do that with VAM a year ago. That said, I don't think virtamate has any chance of being on steam, either. IMO adult games arn't something we need a digital license trail and always on connections for, it is best if the user is able to keep them private if they want.
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