Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today

The battle between Epic and Apple over Apple's app store commissions and market hegemony takes a new turn as the Epic v. Apple court case gets underway today. The Washington Post (may require registration or subscription) attempts to summarize all that's involved here. Epic CEO Tim Sweeney tweets his Braveheart battle cry for the occasion:
Epic is a company built on the aspiration of serving a new generation of developers and customers as openly and supportively as Apple did in the era when they invented personal computers. As we go into court tomorrow, it is for those original digital freedoms that we fight.
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 21:08
Kxmode
 
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today May 3, 2021, 21:08
May 3, 2021, 21:08
 Kxmode
 
Cutter wrote on May 3, 2021, 20:45:
Kxmode wrote on May 3, 2021, 20:11:
Cutter wrote on May 3, 2021, 16:04:
Fight!

MORTAL KOMBAT!


You act like Epic has a chance. They don't. Apple's legal team only needs to point out Epic's numerous grievances while on the platform to force Apple's hand. So this is not about Apple's 30% cut no matter how many times Tim tweets about it or the lawyers argue for it. It is about Apple's control over its platform, and Epic lost that argument when they violated Apple's terms of service agreement. It's a Sheliak move.

Nope. Just saw the new Mortal Kombat film and this seemed apropos. I just felt like yelling....MORTAL KOMBAT!!! I love that theme song.

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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today May 3, 2021, 20:45
May 3, 2021, 20:45
 
Kxmode wrote on May 3, 2021, 20:11:
Cutter wrote on May 3, 2021, 16:04:
Fight!

MORTAL KOMBAT!


You act like Epic has a chance. They don't. Apple's legal team only needs to point out Epic's numerous grievances while on the platform to force Apple's hand. So this is not about Apple's 30% cut no matter how many times Tim tweets about it or the lawyers argue for it. It is about Apple's control over its platform, and Epic lost that argument when they violated Apple's terms of service agreement. It's a Sheliak move.

Nope. Just saw the new Mortal Kombat film and this seemed apropos. I just felt like yelling....MORTAL KOMBAT!!! I love that theme song.

"You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life."
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 20:11
Kxmode
 
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today May 3, 2021, 20:11
May 3, 2021, 20:11
 Kxmode
 
Cutter wrote on May 3, 2021, 16:04:
Fight!

MORTAL KOMBAT!


You act like Epic has a chance. They don't. Apple's legal team only needs to point out Epic's numerous grievances while on the platform to force Apple's hand. So this is not about Apple's 30% cut no matter how many times Tim tweets about it or the lawyers argue for it. It is about Apple's control over its platform, and Epic lost that argument when they violated Apple's terms of service agreement. It's a Sheliak move.
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." - Those Who Remain by G. Michael Hopf
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 19:55
Kxmode
 
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today May 3, 2021, 19:55
May 3, 2021, 19:55
 Kxmode
 
Epic is a company built on the aspiration of serving a new generation of developers and customers as openly and supportively as Apple did in the era when they invented personal computers. As we go into court tomorrow, it is for those original digital freedoms that we fight.

Apple didn't violate any company's terms of service agreements when they started, Tim. So don't try to rewrite history. Your moves weren't noble. You tried and failed to force your payment processing system into Apple's platform without authorization or approval, and rightly so, they quickly terminated your account. Any business that blatantly commits such a bone-headed move deserves to have their keister thrown off the platform. Alphabet agrees and threw you off their's as well.
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." - Those Who Remain by G. Michael Hopf
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 19:42
Kxmode
 
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May 3, 2021, 19:42
 Kxmode
 
BIGtrouble77 wrote on May 3, 2021, 15:23:
So if Epic wins, should they now be required to allow in alternate stores to spend "V-Bucks" or even allow 3rd party currencies? Isn't Fortnight a platform at this point?

But they won't. It's monumentally stupid to violate a company's terms of service agreement and then somehow think the judge is going to overlook that little slight. But in case Epic's team of clowns manages to succeed in doing that, you can trust the Apple lawyers will be all over that little easy-to-miss detail. They will gleefully remind the court what Epic did and hasn't done to remedy the situation (namely, come back into compliance and pay Apple the outstanding 30% they made while their little sideshow freak was running).
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 19:41
Kxmode
 
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May 3, 2021, 19:41
 Kxmode
 
BIGtrouble77 wrote on May 3, 2021, 12:44:
The funny thing about all of this is that all of the parties involved are going to be acting 100% in self interest, but defending their stance as being in the best interest of consumers. Curious to see who ends up being the more egregious liar when the dust settles.

Literally whoever wins, we lose. Actually I kid. Epic is going to lose big-time financially. Enough, I hope, to never be able to afford exclusives.
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 19:36
Kxmode
 
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May 3, 2021, 19:36
 Kxmode
 
The Tim Sweeney guide to suing the Epic way!

1. We don't like the platform's 30% cut per transaction.
2. Let's violate the company's terms of service agreement with an undisclosed project designed to side-skirt the company's 30% cut per transaction.
3. Uh-oh! Our company got kicked from the platform for our scheme.
4. No problem! Let's sue the company for removing us from their platform by phrasing the lawsuit as a win-win for companies everywhere.

It sounds stupid. Hopefully, the judges will get past all the noise and see this for what it is. Apple caught Epic selling candy in their candy shop without paying Apple's cut for using their space and then was rightly thrown out of the store. Judges traditionally side with companies who had their agreements violated.
"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times." - Those Who Remain by G. Michael Hopf
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 16:36
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May 3, 2021, 16:36
 
Epic vs Apple
Tencent vs Apple
China vs Apple
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 16:08
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May 3, 2021, 16:08
 
DarkCntry wrote on May 3, 2021, 15:07:
Mr. Tact wrote on May 3, 2021, 15:05:
DarkCntry wrote on May 3, 2021, 12:58:
Mr. Tact wrote on May 3, 2021, 12:36:
Anyone offering a live feed?
https://www.twitch.tv/thegameawards
Actually listened for a bit. Not as entertaining as one might hope.

Between the 'technical difficulties' and the overall horrible quality, it's like listening to someone read IKEA instructions to build a bookcase

When I was 16 my mother got me a job as a messenger for a large law firm - they represented her bank - in hopes it would encourage me to become a lawyer. It had the exact opposite effect. Sometimes I had to go and wait around in court for up to an hour to get something that had to be hand delivered and signed for. It was like listening to paint dry. Huge multi-million dollar lawsuits and it was all, 'drone drone drone....'. I was always thinking, 'Why is this nothing like in the movies? I'm out of order? You're out of order!'
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 16:04
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May 3, 2021, 16:04
 
Fight!

MORTAL KOMBAT!
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 15:39
Verno
 
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May 3, 2021, 15:39
 Verno
 
They're both fighting for our digital freedoms! How brave.
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 15:23
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So if Epic wins, should they now be required to allow in alternate stores to spend "V-Bucks" or even allow 3rd party currencies? Isn't Fortnight a platform at this point?
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 15:07
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May 3, 2021, 15:07
 
Mr. Tact wrote on May 3, 2021, 15:05:
DarkCntry wrote on May 3, 2021, 12:58:
Mr. Tact wrote on May 3, 2021, 12:36:
Anyone offering a live feed?
https://www.twitch.tv/thegameawards
Actually listened for a bit. Not as entertaining as one might hope.

Between the 'technical difficulties' and the overall horrible quality, it's like listening to someone read IKEA instructions to build a bookcase
Avatar 24330
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 15:05
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today May 3, 2021, 15:05
May 3, 2021, 15:05
 
DarkCntry wrote on May 3, 2021, 12:58:
Mr. Tact wrote on May 3, 2021, 12:36:
Anyone offering a live feed?
https://www.twitch.tv/thegameawards
Actually listened for a bit. Not as entertaining as one might hope.
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 12:58
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May 3, 2021, 12:58
 
Mr. Tact wrote on May 3, 2021, 12:36:
Anyone offering a live feed?

https://www.twitch.tv/thegameawards
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Re: Epic v. Apple Trial Begins Today
May 3, 2021, 12:44
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May 3, 2021, 12:44
 
The funny thing about all of this is that all of the parties involved are going to be acting 100% in self interest, but defending their stance as being in the best interest of consumers. Curious to see who ends up being the more egregious liar when the dust settles.
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May 3, 2021, 12:36
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Anyone offering a live feed?
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Popcorn
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