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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 19, 2021, 12:52
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 19, 2021, 12:52
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There can be only none.

Meanwhile, self driving cars can't drive anywhere there is snow or ice at all.

The existing self driving cars tend to operate in very restricted areas.

What I'm really waiting for is when the thieves realize that there's about $10,000 worth of 3D scanning equipment easily accessible and even more lucrative than stealing catalytic converters.

Or, the other people who parallel park by banging bumpers in the cars in front and behind them. However, some self driving car makers have started mounting the scanners less externally.

When the real world catches up to the hype...
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 19, 2021, 13:15
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 19, 2021, 13:15
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Self driving in the city is a really difficult problem to solve without vehicle to vehicle awareness networking, there are a million edge case scenarios. Humans aren't even good at this, look at our stats. I agree that city self driving is pretty much hype at this point. I don't think Tesla can win this, they don't have enough overlapping coverage to make safe turns in all edge cases. I don't believe there will be a eureka moment or company for this even, it will just be gradual iteration and almost has to be by necessity for public acceptance.

Driving assistance programs on the freeway (Supercruise, Autopilot, etc) are a different story, these are quite far along and the variables involved are far less than city driving. This is a "solvable" problem.

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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 19, 2021, 13:34
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 19, 2021, 13:34
Apr 19, 2021, 13:34
 
Invest in trains and mass transit and get cars off the road. Problem solved.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 19, 2021, 16:12
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 19, 2021, 16:12
Apr 19, 2021, 16:12
 
Drive your own fxxking car!! or call Uber if you don't want to.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 19, 2021, 17:38
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 19, 2021, 17:38
Apr 19, 2021, 17:38
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 19, 2021, 13:34:
Invest in trains and mass transit and get cars off the road. Problem solved.

except trains dont go anywhere near where I want to go or come from. they also dont do this at a time I need them too. it is also very hard to put them near where I live.

Id love to see self driving cars try and cope with my local roads. the road that passes our house to the nearest town is about 3 miles long. it is wide enough for 1.5 cars and features "passing places" every now and again. time it wrong and its delivery van time to the local hotels or farms and you need to reverse a fair bit to get back to one. lovely view though.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 19, 2021, 19:12
Prez
 
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 19, 2021, 19:12
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Avus wrote on Apr 19, 2021, 16:12:
Drive your own fxxking car!! or call Uber if you don't want to.

Speaking of Uber has anyone noticed how few cars are driving for them (Lyft too)? At least in my city, Memphis, it's astoundingly hard to find a ride at any time, weekends included. I've been out of the game for a while but it didn't used to be that way.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 19, 2021, 19:18
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 19, 2021, 19:18
Apr 19, 2021, 19:18
 
The tech will basically be confined to specific areas and infrastructure. The only way this will work globally is if all vehicles are self-driving. If you throw a human manual driver into the mix, everything breaks down haha
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 19, 2021, 20:20
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 19, 2021, 20:20
Apr 19, 2021, 20:20
 
Armengar wrote on Apr 19, 2021, 17:38:
Cutter wrote on Apr 19, 2021, 13:34:
Invest in trains and mass transit and get cars off the road. Problem solved.

except trains dont go anywhere near where I want to go or come from. they also dont do this at a time I need them too. it is also very hard to put them near where I live.

Id love to see self driving cars try and cope with my local roads. the road that passes our house to the nearest town is about 3 miles long. it is wide enough for 1.5 cars and features "passing places" every now and again. time it wrong and its delivery van time to the local hotels or farms and you need to reverse a fair bit to get back to one. lovely view though.


Hence the reason I called for investment in them. You can get around virtually anywhere and everywhere in Europe, Japan, etc. by train and mass-transit.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 20, 2021, 06:45
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 20, 2021, 06:45
Apr 20, 2021, 06:45
 
Self Driving Cars:

Call me when a reliable lawn mower that self drives is available at your local home improvement warehouse. You know one that can mow any law without guide wires or similar kludges or need a whole lawn crew afterwards to finish up the spots it missed.

Once that has been accomplished I might consider self driving cars.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 20, 2021, 11:37
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 20, 2021, 11:37
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Jonjonz wrote on Apr 20, 2021, 06:45:
Self Driving Cars:

Call me when a reliable lawn mower that self drives is available at your local home improvement warehouse. You know one that can mow any law without guide wires or similar kludges or need a whole lawn crew afterwards to finish up the spots it missed.

Once that has been accomplished I might consider self driving cars.
Hmm, I have a vague memory of one which could at least be trained to mow a lawn, but I don't think it could figure it out itself -- at least that's what I recall. But yeah, I'm on the side of the argument which says I won't live to see self-piloted cars except perhaps in "restricted areas". As I've said before I think I might get to see automated trucks which travel a specific route from one warehouse/factory to another where both ends of the route are directly adjacent to a US Interstate.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 20, 2021, 11:46
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 20, 2021, 11:46
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Cutter wrote on Apr 19, 2021, 20:20:
Hence the reason I called for investment in them. You can get around virtually anywhere and everywhere in Europe, Japan, etc. by train and mass-transit.
The US is smaller than Europe but it still is a hard sell. It could be done but I can't imagine the public agreeing to paying for it. It would cost many trillions of dollars. I live roughly 140 miles from downtown Chicago. It would be great if I could board a bullet train and be there in under an hour. Even if the train was only available once each day that would be fantastic. I'd calculate the chances of that happening within the next 50 years as exactly zero.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 20, 2021, 15:46
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 20, 2021, 15:46
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Seems sus to me. I don't think Tesla's will let you autodrive w/o someone in the seat. Just unbuckling the driver belt will cause the car to pull over and stop if autopilot is on.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 20, 2021, 16:38
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 20, 2021, 16:38
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mirthy wrote on Apr 20, 2021, 15:46:
Seems sus to me. I don't think Tesla's will let you autodrive w/o someone in the seat. Just unbuckling the driver belt will cause the car to pull over and stop if autopilot is on.
Google “bypass Tesla autopilot” and you will find umpteen ways to hack it.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 21, 2021, 06:46
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 21, 2021, 06:46
Apr 21, 2021, 06:46
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 19, 2021, 20:20:
Hence the reason I called for investment in them. You can get around virtually anywhere and everywhere in Europe, Japan, etc. by train and mass-transit.

you can, but it just isn't great. if i want to manage it to work via train i have about 90 minutes instead of 30 by car. and i either get there about 45 minutes too early or 30 too late. afternoon is only one train possible and that means hanging about 35 minutes around.

for visiting other cities or rail-to-flight it really works great.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Apr 21, 2021, 16:21
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Re: Morning Mobilization Apr 21, 2021, 16:21
Apr 21, 2021, 16:21
 
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1384254194975010826

Sus. Car didn't even have FSD on it. I suppose we could stretch the imagination to say they hacked the car's code too but I think there's a simpler reason.
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