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Apr 9, 2021, 01:23
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Re: Op Ed Apr 9, 2021, 01:23
Apr 9, 2021, 01:23
 
WannaLogAlready wrote on Apr 8, 2021, 13:16:
Very interesting, causes and effects, Scheherazade.

Also, the USA relegated and decimated the native indian people, as did the spanish.

But the Nazis outdid themselves, killing millions of non combatants germans, their own people, from old to children.
And really, did the German populace ignore what was happening, as their jewish/political opponents/homosexual neighbours were denounced and taken away through the years.



Plenty of Filipino towns were culled of their entire population by the U.S.. Along with plenty of rape.

Japanese had to provide comfort women to US troops. (there is even the story of honorable prostitutes volunteering to take the place of school girls that had been put to the role).

China was carved up by force into multiple colonies, with plenty of Chinese fruitlessly dying to keep US/Britain/Russia/France/Japan out.


The ss was far more subtle than that. It was boiling a frog, not a sudden holocaust.

In general it was jews that got the brunt of the oppression. Most undesirable groups felt far more subtle and paced effects. Minorities didn't suffer anything close.

I thought this interview was interesting. Black growing up in nazi germany.
https://youtu.be/Bwz7kQtPPW0

Even the idyllic haplogroup that nazis aspired to wasn't even German. (nominally scandinavian). Ironically, Russians looked more like ideal Germans (more often blonde, blue eye) than Germans did.

In any case, don't mistake my post for a defense or condemnation of any side. I just point out how the world is much more machiavellian and less moralistic than governments tend to advertise to their people.

-scheherazade
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 13:16
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Re: Op Ed Apr 8, 2021, 13:16
Apr 8, 2021, 13:16
 
Very interesting, causes and effects, Scheherazade.

Also, the USA relegated and decimated the native indian people, as did the spanish.

But the Nazis outdid themselves, killing millions of non combatants germans, their own people, from old to children.
And really, did the German populace ignore what was happening, as their jewish/political opponents/homosexual neighbours were denounced and taken away through the years.

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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 12:17
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Re: Op Ed Apr 8, 2021, 12:17
Apr 8, 2021, 12:17
 
NKD wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 15:35:
Cutter wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 15:20:
Same with all the WWII and Vietnam games over the years. One side good, one side bad, when the reality is they're all a bunch of fucking assholes.

Did he... did he really just "both sides" WW2?

You could say German actions were a well deserved revenge for being drawn into ww1 and blamed for a war they didnt start and fleeced to pay reparations for a war they didnt start.

Something overlooked by post war education in allied nations is that the German government kept their sinister side secret, and sold the war by telling Germans that 50'000 ethnic Germans in Poland had been persecuted and driven from their homes for their ethnicity, and that communists were targeting ethnic Germans to take their land and poperty. So Germans at large thought they were going in to help/liberate people from oppression.

Not even the wermacht knew. It wasn't till after the war started and the SS moved in to do cleansings did the wermacht find out. Many leaders lost their positions for refusing to go along with the ss. By the time the war heated up, your choice was 'play along' or 'get shot for treason' (there is a reason officers use pistols not rifles. their job isn't to shoot the enemy, it's to shoot disobedient troops).

When you look back at Hitler's personal history, when he was a regular soldier in ww1... Leading up to the loss of ww1, the German government ran propaganda that blamed their losses on 'jewish traitor indistrialists, making backdoor plans with Germany's enemies to throw the war for future business/trade'. (The war depended on who could throw more artillery shells, so manufacturing was key). You could even blame what he became on the false propaganda he was fed.

You could say japanese actions were to liberate asia from western colonizers. (which is how they themselves marketed the war to their citizens, and technically they did do).

You could also say the allies were opportunistic assholes because they left the bulk of WW2 to Russia (Russia killed 80% of German troops and 75% of German equipment) and ran around the world grabbing colonies, and didn't bother sending troops against Germany proper till Russia was already moving into Germany and the war was almost over.

Also, this was a time when civillians were considered valid military targets - because they supply the military. Annihilating cities was the norm on both sides. You can watch old pathe videos of p47s straffing farmhouses to make sure they have nothing useful left.

Point is, yah, there were no good guys or bad guys. Just some guys worse than the other, depending on if you benefitted or lost from what happened.

p.s. My family was on the receiving side of German fire. In any case, enemies tend to be unreliable sources of info about one another. I think it's better to integrate arguments from all around and cross reference them with timelines of actions to infer the likely scenario.

-scheherazade

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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 07:40
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Re: Op Ed Apr 8, 2021, 07:40
Apr 8, 2021, 07:40
 
War is hell, pass it along.
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 07:01
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Re: Op Ed Apr 8, 2021, 07:01
Apr 8, 2021, 07:01
 Prez
 
I actually saw one once. Wasn't too long ago actually. He posted about his day on a farm somewhere I think. Seriously.
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 04:26
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Re: Op Ed Apr 8, 2021, 04:26
Apr 8, 2021, 04:26
 
Someone show me a post where Cutter was happy and positive. .... Yep that will happen the same day that Star Citizen is released.
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 01:51
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Re: Op Ed Apr 8, 2021, 01:51
Apr 8, 2021, 01:51
 
Seriously, I think it's a sign of deep disenchantment, leading to generalized anger and bitterness to the point that most anything is seen equally badly.

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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 01:06
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Re: Op Ed Apr 8, 2021, 01:06
Apr 8, 2021, 01:06
 
Seriously
Are y'all expecting him to act human.
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 00:50
NKD
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Re: Op Ed Apr 8, 2021, 00:50
Apr 8, 2021, 00:50
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Dacron wrote on Apr 8, 2021, 00:28:
Cutter wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 20:23:
Razumen wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 20:15:
Cutter wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 15:20:
Same with all the WWII and Vietnam games over the years. One side good, one side bad, when the reality is they're all a bunch of fucking assholes.

Yeah, my grandfather who flew in WW2 against Germany was a real asshole.

Sod off Cutter.

And he was probably a racist and bigot just like those Germans he was fighting. You actually have the gall to sit there and claim a moral highground? This from the same racists and bigots that locked up Japanese Americans but not German Americans. That wouldn't allow black men to fight with them. Thanks for proving my point. You're clearly one of them too.




Jesus Christ.

Some Americans and Canadians were racist, so they were just as bad as the Germans who organized the murder of millions.

A new low for Cutter. "well the Nazis weren't THAT bad, WE locked people up!!!"

Sadly not a new low, he's done the whole "Hitler wasn't really that bad" thing before. But frankly I thought he'd smartened up enough to stop doing it. Guess that was naive of me.
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 00:28
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Apr 8, 2021, 00:28
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 20:23:
Razumen wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 20:15:
Cutter wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 15:20:
Same with all the WWII and Vietnam games over the years. One side good, one side bad, when the reality is they're all a bunch of fucking assholes.

Yeah, my grandfather who flew in WW2 against Germany was a real asshole.

Sod off Cutter.

And he was probably a racist and bigot just like those Germans he was fighting. You actually have the gall to sit there and claim a moral highground? This from the same racists and bigots that locked up Japanese Americans but not German Americans. That wouldn't allow black men to fight with them. Thanks for proving my point. You're clearly one of them too.




Jesus Christ.

Some Americans and Canadians were racist, so they were just as bad as the Germans who organized the murder of millions.

A new low for Cutter. "well the Nazis weren't THAT bad, WE locked people up!!!"
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 8, 2021, 00:14
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Apr 8, 2021, 00:14
 
Not again, gosh. There is something definitely wrong there, pro help should be considered.








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Apr 7, 2021, 20:29
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Apr 7, 2021, 20:29
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 20:23:
Razumen wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 20:15:
Cutter wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 15:20:
Same with all the WWII and Vietnam games over the years. One side good, one side bad, when the reality is they're all a bunch of fucking assholes.

Yeah, my grandfather who flew in WW2 against Germany was a real asshole.

Sod off Cutter.

And he was probably a racist and bigot just like those Germans he was fighting. You actually have the gall to sit there and claim a moral highground? This from the same racists and bigots that locked up Japanese Americans but not German Americans. That wouldn't allow black men to fight with them. Thanks for proving my point. You're clearly one of them too.

You think every soldier is responsible and supports the regulations and laws of their army and their nation? LOL, what a joke argument.

If anything you just proved my point. Again, sod off Cutter.
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 7, 2021, 20:15
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Apr 7, 2021, 20:15
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 15:20:
Same with all the WWII and Vietnam games over the years. One side good, one side bad, when the reality is they're all a bunch of fucking assholes.

Yeah, my grandfather who flew in WW2 against Germany was a real asshole.

Sod off Cutter.
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 7, 2021, 20:12
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Re: Op Ed Apr 7, 2021, 20:12
Apr 7, 2021, 20:12
 
What's with the media's hateboner for this game? Let it release and we'll see if it's good or bad, after all, games are ART aren't they?
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 7, 2021, 18:08
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Apr 7, 2021, 18:08
 
So they got their publicity for a generic shooter
"Mission Accomplished"
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Apr 7, 2021, 16:17
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Apr 7, 2021, 16:17
 
So like will I have flashbacks while I play this game?
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 7, 2021, 15:35
NKD
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Re: Op Ed Apr 7, 2021, 15:35
Apr 7, 2021, 15:35
NKD
 
Cutter wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 15:20:
Same with all the WWII and Vietnam games over the years. One side good, one side bad, when the reality is they're all a bunch of fucking assholes.

Did he... did he really just "both sides" WW2?
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Apr 7, 2021, 15:20
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Apr 7, 2021, 15:20
 
Prez wrote on Apr 7, 2021, 13:41:
The big controversy is over this being based on a real event, but I've seen a partial playthrough and it looks like any other game to me. Meh.

War ALWAYS sucks beyond imagining in real life but a game is just a game.

Same with all the WWII and Vietnam games over the years. One side good, one side bad, when the reality is they're all a bunch of fucking assholes.

"You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life."
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Re: Op Ed
Apr 7, 2021, 13:41
Prez
 
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Apr 7, 2021, 13:41
 Prez
 
The big controversy is over this being based on a real event, but I've seen a partial playthrough and it looks like any other game to me. Meh.

War ALWAYS sucks beyond imagining in real life but a game is just a game.
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